Tracy gone MIA?

QSC Meso thread is entertaining.

People going on about exit scams, people posting cryptic messages about the "real" reason QSC is going through whatever this is and how you had to have been a member for a long time to know, people fearmongering about US customs becoming an impenetrable shield blocking all access to international supply of peptides and AAS, glpfun arguing with bros and expecting them to not just continue their cryptic shitposting.
 
hexagonal said:
QSC Meso thread is entertaining.

People going on about exit scams, people posting cryptic messages about the "real" reason QSC is going through whatever this is and how you had to have been a member for a long time to know, people fearmongering about US customs becoming an impenetrable shield blocking all access to international supply of peptides and AAS, glpfun arguing with bros and expecting them to not just continue their cryptic shitposting.
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it shocks me that a forum full of anabolic steroid users has people getting angry at each other
 
hexagonal said:
QSC Meso thread is entertaining.

People going on about exit scams, people posting cryptic messages about the "real" reason QSC is going through whatever this is and how you had to have been a member for a long time to know, people fearmongering about US customs becoming an impenetrable shield blocking all access to international supply of peptides and AAS, glpfun arguing with bros and expecting them to not just continue their cryptic shitposting.
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Lol I was getting pissed off in that thread about Narta withholding that info
 
clayd said:
it shocks me that a forum full of anabolic steroid users has people getting angry at each other
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Arguments here are just as frequent but sure continue to perpetuate falsehoods about steroid use
 
clayd said:
sorry did that upset you?
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Not really, just calling out that you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Also your response kind of proves that behavior exists here. Keep thinking you’re better than them.
 
glpfun said:
Not really, just calling out that you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Also your response kind of proves that behavior exists here. Keep thinking you’re better than them.
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Well from a third party perspective it was pretty clearly a joke.
 
glpfun said:
It’s a tired joke from exclusive peptide users that think they’re better than aas users. Hurr durr roid rage, either way it perpetuates a falsehood that many people believe.
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I don't think I'm better than AAS users, but AAS are psychoactive substances, some potently so.

I'm quite likely to be an AAS user if I can get all of my bloodwork, blood pressure, etc. under control as I get down to my goal weight and bf%, but I recognize that I will likely have to make specific effort to control the impact it has on my mood.
 
glpfun said:
Lol I was getting pissed off in that thread about Narta withholding that info
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People like being self-important and part of an "in crowd" that knows things, and showing off that they know things.

Doubtlessly, I'm no exception to this either.
 
clayd said:
bro you are the one perpetuating the stereotype with these unhinged responses
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How are my responses unhinged? Do you even know what that word means? I called you out for pushing a false narrative, how is that unhinged? If you think that is unhinged then lol
 
hexagonal said:
I don't think I'm better than AAS users, but AAS are psychoactive substances, some potently so.

I'm quite likely to be an AAS user if I can get all of my bloodwork, blood pressure, etc. under control as I get down to my goal weight and bf%, but I recognize that I will likely have to make specific effort to control the impact it has on my mood.
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Steroids are not psychoactive. What is commonly referred to as roid rage is high estradiol
 
glpfun said:
Steroids are not psychoactive. What is commonly referred to as roid rage is high estradiol
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If that is true, one of the main effects of high estradiol in men is Mood swings, anxiety, and depression: High estradiol levels can cause mood swings, anxiety, and depression

Ergo, AAS abuse can cause roid rage.

A side effect of a side effect of a drug is still the fault of the drug.
 
FreeSpectator8 said:
If that is true, one of the main effects of high estradiol in men is Mood swings, anxiety, and depression: High estradiol levels can cause mood swings, anxiety, and depression

Ergo, AAS abuse can cause roid rage.

A side effect of a side effect of a drug is still the fault of the drug.
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That doesn’t make it a psychoactive substance, a psychoactive substance specifically targets neurotransmitters. Also we’re not talking about aas abuse, I'm not sure where that came from. The assumption is responsible usage as it is here for peptides.
 
glpfun said:
That doesn’t make it a psychoactive substance, a psychoactive substance specifically targets neurotransmitters. Also we’re not talking about aas abuse, I'm not sure where that came from. The assumption is responsible usage as it is here for peptides.
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Right, I wasnt trying to say its psychoactive, just that your position that "roid rage" is a false narrative, is in fact, false.

And no offense, but using AAS for body building IS abuse. That doesnt make it bad per se, but really the only non abusive use of a pharmaceutical is one that is therapeutic in nature and prescribed by a medical professional.

Artificially increasing hormones to increase muscle gain is an abusive use of AAS (or any medicine)

However using AAS or a pharmaceutical to get yourself up to a natural level is not abusive.

That applies for peptide use and GLP-1's too, so im not shaking a stick at anybody, but if you were not atleast legitimately prescribed (or could otherwise reach your goals without) the medication, its abuse.

That being said I think we all have the right and freedom to choose how we want to live and what we want to use to modify our bodies, im all for different types of biological engineering.
 
FreeSpectator8 said:
Right, I wasnt trying to say its psychoactive, just that your position that "roid rage" is a false narrative, is in fact, false.

And no offense, but using AAS for body building IS abuse. That doesnt make it bad per se, but really the only non abusive use of a pharmaceutical is one that is therapeutic in nature and prescribed by a medical professional.

Artificially increasing hormones to increase muscle gain is an abusive use of AAS (or any medicine)

However using AAS or a pharmaceutical to get yourself up to a natural level is not abusive.

That applies for peptide use and GLP-1's too, so im not shaking a stick at anybody, but if you were not atleast legitimately prescribed (or could otherwise reach your goals without) the medication, its abuse.

That being said I think we all have the right and freedom to choose how we want to live and what we want to use to modify our bodies, im all for different types of biological engineering.
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Thanks for the essay but your views on what is abuse or not are irrelevant. Abuse is irresponsible usage, most bodybuilders are healthier than 90% of the US population. Remember you live in a society that doesn’t call people eating themselves to death abuse but responsible usage of medication is abuse. Go home.
 
glpfun said:
Thanks for the essay but your views on what is abuse or not are irrelevant. Abuse is irresponsible usage, most bodybuilders are healthier than 90% of the US population. Remember you live in a society that doesn’t call people eating themselves to death abuse but responsible usage of medication is abuse. Go home.
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it sounds like you are denouncing my views and espousing your own.

Additionally you are getting irate despite respectful conversation on my end.

I could take a low blow and blame that on your possible drug usage, but honestly its more likely you are just a petulant asshole by nature.

Additionally what is considered drug abuse is not simply an "opinion" its a factual term.
"Drug abuse is the intentional and harmful use of a substance (such as a drug or medication) in a manner that deviates from prescribed guidelines or societal norms, often leading to negative physical, psychological, or social consequences. It typically involves the following:

  1. Using drugs in ways other than prescribed (e.g., taking higher doses or using someone else’s prescription).
  2. Using drugs for recreational purposes despite the risks of harm."

    You will note the first two points make clear that using a drug without a prescription is drug abuse, and your claim that bodybuilders are "healthier" than 90% of the US population is subjective at best, but overall false.

    There are several health metrics and indicators by which to measure health, being lean and active are only a few, damage sustained to your cell's and DNA is another, one that cannot be observed by the human eye or with any consumer available technology.

    "A 2019 retrospective cohort study compared all-cause mortality rates in 545 male laboratory-confirmed anabolic steroid users (who were identified as part of these anti-doping programs) with 5450 healthy controls consisting of randomly selected age-matched individuals from the Danish population and found a threefold higher mortality rate in the anabolic steroid users [172]"

    And this is just among standard AAS users, and not body builders specifically, who are known to use higher and riskier levels of steroids, as well as sustain significantly more strain and damage on their bodies such as when they cut hydration putting strain on their organs, consume large amounts of calories (another health marker, shown that the lower caloric expenditure a living being has the longer it lives on average, especially so for mammals).
 
glpfun said:
It’s a tired joke from exclusive peptide users that think they’re better than aas users. Hurr durr roid rage, either way it perpetuates a falsehood that many people believe.
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what's the definition of better. i dunno.

if you talking about intelligence quotient yea, 120 is better than 80.
 
glpfun said:
That doesn’t make it a psychoactive substance, a psychoactive substance specifically targets neurotransmitters. Also we’re not talking about aas abuse, I'm not sure where that came from. The assumption is responsible usage as it is here for peptides.
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Whomever told you that AAS do not act on neurotransmitters is incorrect:


There's also a wide variety of other potential causes - AAS use impacts your brain in a lot of ways.

Brain connectivity aberrations in anabolic-androgenic steroid users - PMC

Sustained anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) use has adverse behavioral consequences, including aggression, violence and impulsivity. Candidate mechanisms include disruptions of brain networks with high concentrations of androgen receptors and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Structural brain characteristics of anabolic–androgenic steroid dependence in men - PMC

To identify differences in brain morphology between dependent and non‐dependent male anabolic–androgenic steroid (AAS) users. This study used cross‐sectional data from a longitudinal study on male weightlifters. Oslo University Hospital, Norway. ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Chronic Exposure to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids Alters Neuronal Function in the Mammalian Forebrain via Androgen Receptor- and Estrogen Receptor-Mediated Mechanisms - PMC

Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) can promote detrimental effects on social behaviors for which GABA type A (GABAA) receptor-mediated circuits in the forebrain play a critical role. While all AAS bind to androgen receptors (AR), they may also be ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROID ABUSE: MULTIPLE MECHANISMS OF REGULATION OF GABAERGIC SYNAPSES IN NEUROENDOCRINE CONTROL REGIONS OF THE RODENT FOREBRAIN - PMC

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are synthetic derivatives of testosterone originally developed for clinical purposes, but now predominantly taken at suprapharmacological levels as drugs of abuse. To date, nearly 100 different AAS compounds that ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ANABOLIC-ANDROGENIC STEROIDS (AAS) INCREASE SENSITIVITY TO UNCERTAINTY BY INHIBITION OF DOPAMINE D1 AND D2 RECEPTORS - PMC

Anabolic-androgenic steroid abuse is implicated in maladaptive behaviors such as impaired cognition in humans. In a rat model, our lab has shown that testosterone decreases preference for a large/uncertain reward in probability discounting. Other ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effects of Chronic Exposure to an Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Cocktail on α5-Receptor Mediated GABAergic Transmission and Neural Signaling in the Forebrain of Female Mice - PMC

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are synthetic derivatives of testosterone that are illicitly self-administered for enhancement of performance and body image, but which also have significant effects on the brain and on behavior. While the ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Testosterone in the brain: neuroimaging findings and the potential role for neuropsychopharmacology - PubMed

Testosterone plays a substantial role in a number of physiological processes in the brain. It is able to modulate the expression of certain genes by binding to androgen receptors. Acting via neurotransmitter receptors, testosterone shows the potential to mediate a non-genomic so-called...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
glpfun said:
Thanks for the essay but your views on what is abuse or not are irrelevant. Abuse is irresponsible usage, most bodybuilders are healthier than 90% of the US population. Remember you live in a society that doesn’t call people eating themselves to death abuse but responsible usage of medication is abuse. Go home.
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When talking about "abuse" in a medical context this basically means outside of prescription/medical supervision and beyond the therapeutic doses the medications were developed for.
 
hexagonal said:
When talking about "abuse" in a medical context this basically means outside of prescription/medical supervision and beyond the therapeutic doses the medications were developed for.
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Glad im not crazy, It was such a shock to hear that the factual terminology I knew was actually all just my personal beliefs!
 
DaddyBigRig said:
Has Tracy gone dark on anyone else? Perhaps he's on holidays?

I have sent a couple of messages over the past week and got donuts.

Perhaps I offended him.
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Isn't it Chinese new years? I thought he had posted somewhere the team would be going dark during celebrations.
 
God I want to set this thread to “watch” for QSC updates but I can’t take any more inane AAS back and forth
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Someone watching their Bitcoin account said it was down $200K. I don't know if that was pre shutdown or post.
 
I don't have any inside knowledge about what's happening at QSC and I'm new to the world of peptides, but I do have experience living and working in China. The system works differently over there. Based on what Tracy wrote, my gut feeling is that he needs to spread around some 'red envelopes' to the right people for things to get back to normal. This just part of doing business. My guess is that we'll see him back shortly after CNY. This is pure speculation on my part.
 
yelloeyes said:
Someone watching their Bitcoin account said it was down $200K. I don't know if that was pre shutdown or post.
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Not really sure why that's relevant tbh. They're going to want to withdraw and utilize that cash at some point, they're a business, not a bank.
 
AndyPanda said:
I don’t think Tracy has enough feelings to get offended. lol Maybe you ticked him off? I don’t think he is ever gone though. Kind of like Bob Wiley.
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Is Tracy a he 😵 what about the love you long time photo ahhh ! and I had some pretty unholy (non voluntary) thoughts about “her” 😂 can’t help where my mind goes sometimes…
 
FreeSpectator8 said:
it sounds like you are denouncing my views and espousing your own.

Additionally you are getting irate despite respectful conversation on my end.

I could take a low blow and blame that on your possible drug usage, but honestly its more likely you are just a petulant asshole by nature.

Additionally what is considered drug abuse is not simply an "opinion" its a factual term.
"Drug abuse is the intentional and harmful use of a substance (such as a drug or medication) in a manner that deviates from prescribed guidelines or societal norms, often leading to negative physical, psychological, or social consequences. It typically involves the following:

  1. Using drugs in ways other than prescribed (e.g., taking higher doses or using someone else’s prescription).
  2. Using drugs for recreational purposes despite the risks of harm."

    You will note the first two points make clear that using a drug without a prescription is drug abuse, and your claim that bodybuilders are "healthier" than 90% of the US population is subjective at best, but overall false.

    There are several health metrics and indicators by which to measure health, being lean and active are only a few, damage sustained to your cell's and DNA is another, one that cannot be observed by the human eye or with any consumer available technology.

    "A 2019 retrospective cohort study compared all-cause mortality rates in 545 male laboratory-confirmed anabolic steroid users (who were identified as part of these anti-doping programs) with 5450 healthy controls consisting of randomly selected age-matched individuals from the Danish population and found a threefold higher mortality rate in the anabolic steroid users [172]"

    And this is just among standard AAS users, and not body builders specifically, who are known to use higher and riskier levels of steroids, as well as sustain significantly more strain and damage on their bodies such as when they cut hydration putting strain on their organs, consume large amounts of calories (another health marker, shown that the lower caloric expenditure a living being has the longer it lives on average, especially so for mammals).
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You sound like a cop, that’s literally what a cop would say drug abuse is. Anyways, you’ve never even taken steroids so again your dictionary view on the matter is pretty worthless. Go ask chatgpt what to say back. You seem to think that is working out for you.
 
normal said:
Not really sure why that's relevant tbh. They're going to want to withdraw and utilize that cash at some point, they're a business, not a bank.
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yelloeyes said:
Someone watching their Bitcoin account said it was down $200K. I don't know if that was pre shutdown or post.
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Likely for CNY gifts. Employers are expected to pay a bonus to employees for CNY. (Supports my 'red envelope' theory too...)
 
chmuse said:
I probably need to uncheck those top two. I only want an email if it's like, from zippy or I get a DM. Otherwise just the red bell is enough for me. 😅
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I hate emails unless I need to act on them (I think part of my slightly OCD/no clutter thing) so I have stuff limited.
 
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