Tracy gone MIA?

[keangkong]

Haha, love it. I feel the exact same right now. Just digging into my reserves. It's a good feeling. I would also love a flying car at some point

My flying car is in the shop right now.

 

[Windingroads06]

there is zero incentive for CN to shut down the flow of a drug (fent) that is toxic to the US, causes unrest and is a genuine drag on our society, From the economic cost of policing, medical system, jails the breakdown of families etc...

The CN government has incentive to curtail the gray industry before LLY and NN even start pushing for tighter controls.

These two statements are the most truthful...

Though looking at the economic impact of Tracy's bitcoin account just from Dec sales... that might be a reason for cn not to shut it down. I'm betting a large % goes to allow the gray market to continue.

Also, some one else mentioned trademark vs. Patent. I was wondering because I'm not clear on this... isn't brand name patent and trademarked and then generic is just the name of a chemical compound? If you know, please share with me.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Also, some one else mentioned trademark vs. Patent. I was wondering because I'm not clear on this... isn't brand name patent and trademarked and then generic is just the name of a chemical compound? If you know, please share with me.

Trademark is about the name. They own the right to use the word “mounjaro” in commerce. Patent is about the molecule itself, which they own the right to sell. You can manufacture or import the molecule and call it whatever you want, as long as is isn’t mounjaro you’re not violating the trademark but you are violating the patent. Going after people for trademark violations is quite straightforward so they started there. Patent rights get a little muddy here because of the shortage designation which helps explain why they didn’t go down this path until after the shortage designation was lifted.

 

[GimmeABreak]

By this logic China wouldn't manufacture so many other things that are important to the US functioning so cheaply for us.

China also needs a functioning US economy if they ever want to get paid back for all the money they've lent to America and American companies over the years.

Agreed, and they do need jobs for their people. No jobs in China equals political unrest which scares the heck out of the CCP.

 

[Peptoidian]

Trademark is about the name. They own the right to use the word “mounjaro” in commerce. Patent is about the molecule itself, which they own the right to sell. You can manufacture or import the molecule and call it whatever you want, as long as is isn’t mounjaro you’re not violating the trademark but you are violating the patent. Going after people for trademark violations is quite straightforward so they started there. Patent rights get a little muddy here because of the shortage designation which helps explain why they didn’t go down this path until after the shortage designation was lifted.

I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)

 

[Windingroads06]

I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does 1appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)

I think sema is out of patent in 2026 and tirz out in 2030ish.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)

I don't think they will forever. It being on the shortage list complicated the situation, it puts the patent protection in a funky spot during that time. Makes it a can of worms that was easier to keep closed while they worked to get it off the shortage list. Now that that's resolved they'll probably start chasing down the bigger guys, and work their way down the chain.

 

[Devidson]

So who is now second and third best after our raging lord is out? SRY? Need to shop very soon

 

[m100568]

I didn't realize that Tirzepatide was patented. But it does appear to be. How do US peptide vendors get away with selling it? Are they simply too small for the pharmaceutical companies to bother going after?

(I understand how compounding pharmacies can sell it if the FDA allows it ...)

I'm not saying it would hold up in court, but there is the research exemption to patent law.

"The research exemption, also known as the safe harbor provision,, is a patent law exception that allows research and testing for regulatory approval without infringing on patent rights. This exemption is especially important for drugs, as it allows generic drug manufacturers to prepare generic drugs before the patent expires."

 

[keangkong]

So who is now second and third best after our raging lord is out? SRY? Need to shop very soon

I like SRY. There have been fewer problems with Amo. If in a hurry, consider SNP.

 

[PopTart]

I’ve lowered my QSC flag to half-staff where it will fly till Feb 5th after which it will lay to rest at the local dog park for final desecration.

 

[brentm]

I like SRY. There have been fewer problems with Amo. If in a hurry, consider SNP.

I'd vote for PGB over SNP. Last time I price shopped, PGB was actually a little less money per mg. YMMV.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

I'd vote for PGB over SNP. Last time I price shopped, PGB was actually a little less money per mg. YMMV.

Depends on what you’re on I guess. I have some from both

 

[brentm]

Depends on what you’re on I guess. I have some from both

Yeah I always forget that PGB is crypto-only. And there is a large population of luddites who would rather use wire transfers and the SWIFT network to pay for their stuff.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

Yeah I always forget that PGB is crypto-only. And there is a large population of luddites who would rather use wire transfers and the SWIFT network to pay for their stuff.

I’m just saying pgb prices are better on some things than others that’s all. I’ll honestly very likely to narrow my supplier to mainly pgb because of their testing, we’ll see how things shake out after CNY

I haven’t been so hot on pgb in the past but I’ve warmed up to them a little

 

[hexagonal]

Yeah I always forget that PGB is crypto-only. And there is a large population of luddites who would rather use wire transfers and the SWIFT network to pay for their stuff.

I don't love that when buying with crypto the exchange rates, fees, etc. all add a decent amount more to the price than what you see.

Spent a few thousand on AAS orders to stockpile since raws seem to be in short supply, particularly for primo, and all that added maybe 10% to the 'in the cart' cost.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

I don't love that when buying with crypto the exchange rates, fees, etc. all add a decent amount more to the price than what you see.

Spent a few thousand on AAS orders to stockpile since raws seem to be in short supply, particularly for primo, and all that added maybe 10% to the 'in the cart' cost.

It gets a bit fucky with who takes which currency on what network, I agree. I don’t need to make crypto another hobby along with my pep obsession, and quite honestly don’t have the memory to remember all this shit

 

[zpped]

I don't love that when buying with crypto the exchange rates, fees, etc. all add a decent amount more to the price than what you see.

Spent a few thousand on AAS orders to stockpile since raws seem to be in short supply, particularly for primo, and all that added maybe 10% to the 'in the cart' cost.

transaction fees on $1000 of USDT-sol cost me $8 to buy, convert, and send it... If your spending 10% you should consider a different process.

 

[brentm]

I don't love that when buying with crypto the exchange rates, fees, etc. all add a decent amount more to the price than what you see.

Spent a few thousand on AAS orders to stockpile since raws seem to be in short supply, particularly for primo, and all that added maybe 10% to the 'in the cart' cost.

Nah... 10 percent increase just for using crypto as opposed to legacy networks is a bad estimation. It isn't 10 percent and if it is, you're doing it wrong.

There are fees. I'm not saying there aren't fees. But the fees are competitive with other network fees as well.

I don't really pay attention to them, but I think to send Solana to PGB cost me 8 cents. My cost basis for Solana was 40 bucks a coin.

Spend and replace is one thing, but even most formerly staunchly opposed wealth managers are saying that you should have some portion of your wealth in crypto. For me, that's only Bitcoin. My other bags are not part of that mental math for me.

It gets a bit fucky with who takes which currency on what network, I agree. I don’t need to make crypto another hobby along with my pep obsession, and quite honestly don’t have the memory to remember all this shit

Not really. I mean Tether is issued on several networks. But usually if you keep native Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Solana, you can make something work without having to convert to Tether or USDC.

Trading fees can sometimes be reduced if you post them as limit orders. Depending on your exchange... you just have to wait for the market to come to you. It always does.

I didn't want to hijack this conversation about why or why not crypto. I just think that people who oppose crypto for various reasons usually have hidden objections like "I don't want to learn new tricks". But they'll say things like "I can't remember all this crypto shit". Which really isn't the reason. It's quite simple. You deposit fiat on exchange. You "trade" it for a coin, hopefully Bitcoin and not a shitcoin... You hold it as long as you can... aka HODL.

There's Bitcoin. And then there's everything else.... Bitcoin was not premined and was distributed fairly. Most every other coin on exchange with a few exceptions were premined, meaning people or entities were "airdropped" large allocations of the coin before it ever was available to be mined. There will only ever be 21 million Bitcoins. It will never be diluted on you devaluing your holdings.

Price will fluctuate... It can be hard to hold. But to date, everyone who's bought and held up to now has enjoyed its appreciation.

You're not late.

 

[Peptoidian]

BTW, Happy Chinese New Year everyone!! The year of the Snake starts today. May it involve many vials of peptides slithering into our hands.

My vote for when Tracy reappears is Feb17, although it could be the the week before if he really misses us. CNY officially ends Feb12.