TikTok is really creating problems in this space.

[Delta]

I have seen that a few places today. I guess if you sell a chemical that is used to make fentanyl to the DEA you get in trouble.

 

[Modernomeds]

This is getting out of control, already!

So FN annoying that people can't go without telling the world about everything.😡

 

[Delta]

So FN annoying that people can't go without telling the world about everything.😡

The first one got caught selling steroids and this one selling chemical precursors to fentanyl. Dont think it's a problem with people telling the world about peptides.

 

[yobculture]

I'm not opposed to learning crypto. I've even attempted it a few times and given up because there's just TOO MUCH. Buy it here. Transfer it there. Move it over there. Convert this. Make sure they have the right type. Make sure you have the right type. And constantly it's "if you send it to the wrong place you will never get it back." I understand that some day that will be my only option and then I will find someone to walk me through it. And, that is why I'm here. To learn.

I feel your pain. I’m going through the same thing. If I’m going to continue with this potentially dangerous “hobby,” then I will need to eventually have to learn crypto. Unfortunately, with my level 1 autism, crypto makes my head explode.🤯 I know it’s easy for people to label people like us as “stupid,” but it’s not that simple. Everyone is wired differently and we all process things differently. For example, I can create incredibly complicated animations using the extremely difficult Adobe software After Effects, but most people can’t. But I don’t think they’re “stupid.”

Here’s a warning for those who are crypto inept: If you use a buyer (middle person who takes care of crypto for you), make sure that their transaction is guaranteed. I went through a buyer on a well-known chat community who had stellar reviews to purchase my first gray order. Just my luck, the first batch I get has a bug (or stopper chunk) in one of the vials. I wrote to the buyer but they chose to ignore me. I mentioned it on their chat site, but was rebuked by one of the moderators saying that there was no proof that it was their product. (Even though I posted pics.) Newbie mistake on my part because I didn’t think to ask if the buyer’s “service” was guaranteed. So now I’m hesitant to use anything from the kit, even with filtering. Lesson learned!

Moral of the story: We are all going to have to learn crypto or find another hobby.😖

 

[catdog]

The SRY fent precursor is old news that I think people are just now finding out about.

 

[chmuse]

I feel your pain. I’m going through the same thing. If I’m going to continue with this potentially dangerous “hobby,” then I will need to eventually have to learn crypto. Unfortunately, with my level 1 autism, crypto makes my head explode.🤯 I know it’s easy for people to label people like us as “stupid,” but it’s not that simple. Everyone is wired differently and we all process things differently. For example, I can create incredibly complicated animations using the extremely difficult Adobe software After Effects, but most people can’t. But I don’t think they’re “stupid.”

Here’s a warning for those who are crypto inept: If you use a buyer (middle person who takes care of crypto for you), make sure that their transaction is guaranteed. I went through a buyer on a well-known chat community who had stellar reviews to purchase my first gray order. Just my luck, the first batch I get has a bug (or stopper chunk) in one of the vials. I wrote to the buyer but they chose to ignore me. I mentioned it on their chat site, but was rebuked by one of the moderators saying that there was no proof that it was their product. (Even though I posted pics.) Newbie mistake on my part because I didn’t think to ask if the buyer’s “service” was guaranteed. So now I’m hesitant to use anything from the kit, even with filtering. Lesson learned!

Moral of the story: We are all going to have to learn crypto or find another hobby.😖

Something to remember is that even without a middle man, things just.... Go wrong, sometimes. The middle man can only do so much when the vendor themselves are shady!

Tips for using a middle man like that:

Vet the middle man. See what people have to say about them. Figure out how buys have gone in the past. If something goes wrong, do they argue with the vendor for you, or is this a take it or leave it situation?

Vet the vendor the middle man is buying from. Do THEY honor guarantees if the middle man is willing to do the leg work of talking to them? Is the vendor themselves reputable?

Keep in mind- anyone can go bad at any point. You're adding an extra place where the process can fail!

ASD might make it harder, but we have plenty of members on the spectrum who have learned. You just need to find the right guide. 🫶🏼

(I have also not taken the leap to crypto yet, both because the laws in my location are fucky and because taxes scare me.)

 

[chmuse]

The SRY fent precursor is old news that I think people are just now finding out about.

They're playing catch-up, they were all on compound until recently.

 

[catdog]

They're playing catch-up, they were all on compound until recently.

Ah I see, thanks for the context Chmuse

 

[yobculture]

Something to remember is that even without a middle man, things just.... Go wrong, sometimes. The middle man can only do so much when the vendor themselves are shady!

Tips for using a middle man like that:

Vet the middle man. See what people have to say about them. Figure out how buys have gone in the past. If something goes wrong, do they argue with the vendor for you, or is this a take it or leave it situation?

Vet the vendor the middle man is buying from. Do THEY honor guarantees if the middle man is willing to do the leg work of talking to them? Is the vendor themselves reputable?

Keep in mind- anyone can go bad at any point. You're adding an extra place where the process can fail!

ASD might make it harder, but we have plenty of members on the spectrum who have learned. You just need to find the right guide. 🫶🏼

(I have also not taken the leap to crypto yet, both because the laws in my location are fucky and because taxes scare me.)

The funny thing is that the middle man had phenomenal reviews on the chat site. Like, there’s a whole topic created about them. And they were highly recommended by many people here. And the vendor is so famous they have their own chat community/forum. So I thought I had vetted them. But to be fair, I don’t really expect the middle man to go through all that hassle over one vial from a first-time buyer. It was a newbie fuckup on my part. I learned my lesson. It’s just funny that my very first order was tainted. Welcome to the World of Gray! 🫠

Yes, I realize that I can eventually learn crypto, but it’s going to be difficult because there is literally no room for error, as @christa_channing pointed out. Her description was brilliant:

Buy it here. Transfer it there. Move it over there. Convert this. Make sure they have the right type. Make sure you have the right type. And constantly it's "if you send it to the wrong place you will never get it back.”

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[Skidude]

Bitcoin is not as complicated as you and channing are saying. I learnt bitcoin in 2013 watching a 3 minute video. 12 years later it is even easier than it was back then. I am a luddite, so there's no excuse if I can learn it 12 years ago. The description is so far off base too. You can literally buy the bitcoin amount the vendor wants and send it directly to them right from any place of purchase. Moonpay for example even allows credit cards. No transferring, moving or converting or right type. If the vendor gives you a bitcoin wallet and you send bitcoin to that wallet it is not going to the wrong place. None of what was said is valid.

I would agree it seems more difficult than it is, and like many things in life, once learned you will wonder why you thought it was difficult.

However, many of the statements you made are missing important nuances.
Bitcoin (BTC) is a type of crypto, some people use other types so it is important to know what is accepted.
Sending crypto directly can be an issue if the value changes and you are sending crypto instead of stable coin like USDT.

Some prefer to keep USDT as opposed to crypto to minimize price fluctuations.

If you do not use a wallet you can have your account frozen by some so many do a simple 2 step approach. 1 crypto account for funding then transfer to a wallet for buying.

As long as you use a QR code or copy paste wallet information you are going to be pretty safe, we did have a vendor a few months back give the wrong wallet.

But most people will learn easily once they apply themselves, it's all greek until you learn greek.

I believe @zpped was discussing posting a guide with cool graphics.

 

[Garbo]

It just means that you will be limited, likely more each day, on who you can acquire the peps from.
🙂

I suggest everyone learn crypto or stock up.

Fair enough, dear Dude, but remember, the market adjusts ... and entrepreneurs are born. Where there's a need, or aan emerging demographic, there's an opportunity. And people who don't wanna bother with crypto are not precluded from buying from vendors who only accept crypto.

Unlike when I began this journey several years ago, there are fellow travelers among us who, for a small fee, will make crypto purchases for us. Or others who arrange group buys, handle the crypto end of it, and we pay them like the "friends and family" they are 😉
Yes, there is a surcharge, but it's madly worth it for some.

 

[Skidude]

Fair enough, dear Dude, but remember, the market adjusts ... and entrepreneurs are born. Where there's a need, or aan emerging demographic, there's an opportunity. And people who don't wanna bother with crypto are not precluded from buying from vendors who only accept crypto.

Unlike when I began this journey several years ago, there are fellow travelers among us who, for a small fee, will make crypto purchases for us. Or others who arrange group buys, handle the crypto end of it, and we pay them like the "friends and family" they are 😉
Yes, there is a surcharge, but it's madly worth it for some.

Very fair point!
Thank goodness for them as some people, who have no issue with understanding crypto have other reasons not to use.

 

[Kitty_]

I'm new enough to this that I haven't ordered anything yet/ haven't found the right discords/group/etc yet, but I'm still learning and researching. (I lose insurance coverage in July, so I'm good for a few more weeks.)

I'll admit I found out about the existence of grey through tiktok, but all my research (including finding this forum) was outside of TT. There are definitely people out there sharing way too much and ruining it for vendors and everyone else, but I will say that I'm thankful that I found out about it initially through there or I might have never known...

 

[christa_channing]

No there are no "nuances", Let us clear up these so called nuances and not validate stupidity and laziness for others

but for some obese female that wants a few vials of tirz, I highly doubt they are freezing $300 in bitcoin going to a vendor.

This obese female is neither stupid nor lazy. My order was for $1600. The ones that want a few vials of tirz in the freezer are not buying kits from the gray market in China. Good for you that it's so easy and you're so smart.

 

[Skidude]

No there are no "nuances", Let us clear up these so called nuances and not validate stupidity and laziness for others

1) Some prefer USDT, I guess you mean some vendors? I have never dealt with a vendor that won't take bitcoin, but sure ok lets pretend what you say is true (it's is not). You buy usdt on the network the vendor wants (lets say ETH), then ask for the eth network USDT wallet, done, buy USDT on the eth network instead of bitcoin at the exchange.

2) If you do not use a wallet you can get the money frozen, sure ok, if you're sending thousands that is possible, but for some obese female that wants a few vials of tirz, I highly doubt they are freezing $300 in bitcoin going to a vendor. Again, 12 years of buying bitcoin and I have never once had a transaction frozen at an exchange.

3) let us assume you are correct regarding a frozen payment. If you have to buy USDT and then send to your own wallet first, isn't it just a matter of sending it to a second wallet. So you're saying someone can do it once, but doing a second time is too difficult?

4) Bitcoin prices change, but send an agreed upon bitcoin amount at an agreed upon time, the blockchain never lies. If you send $1000 at 8pm est, that is all on the blockhain, so if it fluctuates after that, it is the vendors issue to deal with. I have been through many volatile cycles of bitcoin and not once has the value dropped so extremely in 10 minutes that I have had to pay more.

5) Crypto is not learning greek or any language for that matter. Learning languages is much more complex and takes a bit more time to learn and be fluent in. You can learn crypto in a few minutes, period.

Not only did your list misunderstand the statements you are addressing, it also validated many of the nuances.

The bigger question is, why are you so angry? if crypto is so easy then you should not concern yourself with other payments disappearing.

Step away from the puppy and put the shotgun down 🙂

 

[StonePny]

No there are no "nuances", Let us clear up these so called nuances and not validate stupidity and laziness for others

1) Some prefer USDT, I guess you mean some vendors? I have never dealt with a vendor that won't take bitcoin, but sure ok lets pretend what you say is true (it's is not). You buy usdt on the network the vendor wants (lets say ETH), then ask for the eth network USDT wallet, done, buy USDT on the eth network instead of bitcoin at the exchange.

2) If you do not use a wallet you can get the money frozen, sure ok, if you're sending thousands that is possible, but for some obese female that wants a few vials of tirz, I highly doubt they are freezing $300 in bitcoin going to a vendor. Again, 12 years of buying bitcoin and I have never once had a transaction frozen at an exchange.

3) let us assume you are correct regarding a frozen payment. If you have to buy USDT and then send to your own wallet first, isn't it just a matter of sending it to a second wallet. So you're saying someone can do it once, but doing a second time is too difficult?

4) Bitcoin prices change, but send an agreed upon bitcoin amount at an agreed upon time, the blockchain never lies. If you send $1000 at 8pm est, that is all on the blockhain, so if it fluctuates after that, it is the vendors issue to deal with. I have been through many volatile cycles of bitcoin and not once has the value dropped so extremely in 10 minutes that I have had to pay more.

5) Crypto is not learning greek or any language for that matter. Learning languages is much more complex and takes a bit more time to learn and be fluent in. You can learn crypto in a few minutes, period.

The idea that you're lecturing with this condescending, self-aggrandazing ("stupid" "lazy") tone ignores the fact that the EARLIEST and most PROLIFIC users of crypto/bitcoin were dudes living in their moms' basements consuming black market p*rn! Good for you, you're in great company.

The time and energy you're taking to continue insulting and bashing people is odd -- the very definition of insufferable.

 

[zpped]

Fair enough, dear Dude, but remember, the market adjusts ... and entrepreneurs are born. Where there's a need, or aan emerging demographic, there's an opportunity. And people who don't wanna bother with crypto are not precluded from buying from vendors who only accept crypto.

Unlike when I began this journey several years ago, there are fellow travelers among us who, for a small fee, will make crypto purchases for us. Or others who arrange group buys, handle the crypto end of it, and we pay them like the "friends and family" they are 😉
Yes, there is a surcharge, but it's madly worth it for some.

It's not just the surcharge but the added risk of getting Roached. Our infamous insect friend who ripped off a ton of people by being their middleman.

No there are no "nuances", Let us clear up these so called nuances and not validate stupidity and laziness for others

1) Some prefer USDT, I guess you mean some vendors? I have never dealt with a vendor that won't take bitcoin, but sure ok lets pretend what you say is true (it's is not). You buy usdt on the network the vendor wants (lets say ETH), then ask for the eth network USDT wallet, done, buy USDT on the eth network instead of bitcoin at the exchange.

2) If you do not use a wallet you can get the money frozen, sure ok, if you're sending thousands that is possible, but for some obese female that wants a few vials of tirz, I highly doubt they are freezing $300 in bitcoin going to a vendor. Again, 12 years of buying bitcoin and I have never once had a transaction frozen at an exchange.

3) let us assume you are correct regarding a frozen payment. If you have to buy USDT and then send to your own wallet first, isn't it just a matter of sending it to a second wallet. So you're saying someone can do it once, but doing a second time is too difficult?

4) Bitcoin prices change, but send an agreed upon bitcoin amount at an agreed upon time, the blockchain never lies. If you send $1000 at 8pm est, that is all on the blockhain, so if it fluctuates after that, it is the vendors issue to deal with. I have been through many volatile cycles of bitcoin and not once has the value dropped so extremely in 10 minutes that I have had to pay more.

5) Crypto is not learning greek or any language for that matter. Learning languages is much more complex and takes a bit more time to learn and be fluent in. You can learn crypto in a few minutes, period.

1) No, he means buyers prefer stable coins so the value doesn't cause them to lose money during the transaction. (see #4)

2/3) You are just dead wrong on this one. It also applies to any other regulated account like paypal. It has happened to many people. It has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the transaction but the destination wallet.

4) Good luck with that. Most vendors want the price as stated in USD. So there isn't an "agreed upon bitcoin amount" there is an agreed upon USD amount and I've seen it go wrong for people that didn't understand why their 500 was only worth 400 before they were able to send it.

5) This one just feels like you aren't a native english speaker? If so that's fine. But otherwise he was literally saying "it's not really that hard, but seems intimidating at first"

 

[StonePny]

I picked the wrong week to stop swearing.

 

[chmuse]

I picked the wrong week to stop swearing.

Please swear just this once 🫶🏼

It will remind us of Tracy

 

[yobculture]

The bigger question is, why are you so angry?

Seriously! That post was unnecessarily unhinged.

 

[Laxfinity]

No there are no "nuances", Let us clear up these so called nuances and not validate stupidity and laziness for others

1) Some prefer USDT, I guess you mean some vendors? I have never dealt with a vendor that won't take bitcoin, but sure ok lets pretend what you say is true (it's is not). You buy usdt on the network the vendor wants (lets say ETH), then ask for the eth network USDT wallet, done, buy USDT on the eth network instead of bitcoin at the exchange.

2) If you do not use a wallet you can get the money frozen, sure ok, if you're sending thousands that is possible, but for some obese female that wants a few vials of tirz, I highly doubt they are freezing $300 in bitcoin going to a vendor. Again, 12 years of buying bitcoin and I have never once had a transaction frozen at an exchange.

3) let us assume you are correct regarding a frozen payment. If you have to buy USDT and then send to your own wallet first, isn't it just a matter of sending it to a second wallet. So you're saying someone can do it once, but doing a second time is too difficult?

4) Bitcoin prices change, but send an agreed upon bitcoin amount at an agreed upon time, the blockchain never lies. If you send $1000 at 8pm est, that is all on the blockhain, so if it fluctuates after that, it is the vendors issue to deal with. I have been through many volatile cycles of bitcoin and not once has the value dropped so extremely in 10 minutes that I have had to pay more.

5) Crypto is not learning greek or any language for that matter. Learning languages is much more complex and takes a bit more time to learn and be fluent in. You can learn crypto in a few minutes, period.

Go take a fucking nap. Sounds like you need one.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

No there are no "nuances", Let us clear up these so called nuances and not validate stupidity and laziness for others

1) Some prefer USDT, I guess you mean some vendors? I have never dealt with a vendor that won't take bitcoin, but sure ok lets pretend what you say is true (it's is not). You buy usdt on the network the vendor wants (lets say ETH), then ask for the eth network USDT wallet, done, buy USDT on the eth network instead of bitcoin at the exchange.

2) If you do not use a wallet you can get the money frozen, sure ok, if you're sending thousands that is possible, but for some obese female that wants a few vials of tirz, I highly doubt they are freezing $300 in bitcoin going to a vendor. Again, 12 years of buying bitcoin and I have never once had a transaction frozen at an exchange.

3) let us assume you are correct regarding a frozen payment. If you have to buy USDT and then send to your own wallet first, isn't it just a matter of sending it to a second wallet. So you're saying someone can do it once, but doing a second time is too difficult?

4) Bitcoin prices change, but send an agreed upon bitcoin amount at an agreed upon time, the blockchain never lies. If you send $1000 at 8pm est, that is all on the blockhain, so if it fluctuates after that, it is the vendors issue to deal with. I have been through many volatile cycles of bitcoin and not once has the value dropped so extremely in 10 minutes that I have had to pay more.

5) Crypto is not learning greek or any language for that matter. Learning languages is much more complex and takes a bit more time to learn and be fluent in. You can learn crypto in a few minutes, period.

Chill out or get out. Understood?

 

[FlowerFairy]

Chill out or get out. Understood?

Heh.. keep reading. He escalated.

 

[StonePny]

by all means swear, I don't have a fragile ego


It's 2025, so you should probably wear a helmet if those words lazy and stupid hurt your feelings. The early adopters of bitcoin were far before 2013. I consider myself insanely lucky to have had the opportunity to have learned it back then. Had I not, I may still have been a slave having to work during covid and wear a mask at work and get vaccinated. Nope, 2019 was my retirement year. Life is pretty good thanks to bitcoin!

You on the other hand are clearly attempting to bash me, and I think it's hilarious how off-base you are, but good for you, if that makes you feel better, have at er! I'll even help you because I guess the company I keep and myself that are all basement dwellers that have been through 4 bitcoin cycles are all dirt poor and still living with my momma and dadda on social assistance?


My post was unhinged because I have a different opinion from the echo chamber? Cool, I am ok with being unhinged if that is how you and others see it 🙂



Did I trigger you by not even tagging your name? Not sure where I said Christa Channing is an obese female that buys a few tirz? Can you show me where? Have you ever heard of a general statement before? This grey market has blown up the last year precisely because of obese females that are too lazy to eat properly or exercise. If an obese person still cant get lean, just fast. I did it during covid while half of north americas bellies were blowing up. Kudos to the Chinese for making money on our collapsing western civilization beta culture.


I am not angry whatsoever. I am not concerned about other payment options disappearing but I am concerned that the dippies doing chargebacks on vendors could have some serious long term consequences on the grey market. I love puppies and guns, but I love my honey badger more than any shotgun I own 🙂

Do I hear an echo in here 🙂

I am not hurt or offended by you in the slightest. Calling people who don't follow your particular lead or path "stupid" and "lazy" is itself a LAZY argument. You're trying so very hard to be impressive and seem intellectual, and I find it very amusing!

"This grey market has blown up the last year precisely because of obese females that are too lazy to eat properly or exercise."--The Savante

Just by this quote alone I'm going to assume that you don't have much luck with the ladies.
So although I wasn't making the broad assertion that ALL crypto users are basement dwelling mama's boys---the more you argue and post, the more it seems the shoe fits you very well.
Also, hope you're wearing a helmet and this isn't hurting your feelings 😄 😄

 

[StonePny]

Just going to leave that above to show true colors and social disconnect this person has.

I'm now sure the name Savante is being used ironically.

 

[FlowerFairy]

Just going to leave that above to show true colors and social disconnect this person has.

I'm now sure the name Savante is being used ironically.

Yup. ESP when it’s an obese guy or a gymbro (don’t know which, don’t care) here on the forum looking to buy the same thing as us lowly “obese women” are buying. 🥱

 

[StonePny]

Chill out or get out. Understood?

Please don't make him stop. I've had a hard week and this is kind of fun.

**Interesting that over 20 of his 36 posts are complaining about the trouble he had with his crypto payments (PLURAL) and threatening the vendors! 😄

The irony is rich today

 

[chmuse]

I am not hurt or offended by you in the slightest. Calling people who don't follow your particular lead or path "stupid" and "lazy" is itself a LAZY argument. You're trying so very hard to be impressive and seem intellectual, and I find it very amusing!

"This grey market has blown up the last year precisely because of obese females that are too lazy to eat properly or exercise."--The Savante

Just by this quote alone I'm going to assume that you don't have much luck with the ladies.
So although I wasn't making the broad assertion that ALL crypto users are basement dwelling mama's boys---the more you argue and post, the more it seems the shoe fits you very well.
Also, hope you're wearing a helmet and this isn't hurting your feelings 😄 😄

My poor fat vagina makes me incapable of crypto. Practically a disability.

 

[Laxfinity]

M


My poor fat vagina makes me incapable of crypto. Practically a disability.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[chmuse]

Can I just say that they are here too and saying it's all fat females here is fucking weird? Like really fucking weird.

Either call us all fat fucks or shut your mouth, singling out women just shows your ass. You're here too babe, being good at crypto isn't some brag. 🙃 I bet you bought pizza with Bitcoin and could be a millionaire if you hadn't made that ONE MISTAKE too.