Hospira BAC Availability

[keangkong]

Anecdotally I didn't want to wait for hospira and got some Amazon bac with two day shipping. I'm also fine. The problem is not knowing if it's good quality- some have tested not sterile in the past. It's a risk you don't have to take and I haven't looked at it in a while but when I bought it it wasn't even any cheaper.

Thanks for your post. You’re speaking against the orthodoxy spread by me and others. But since your Amazon BAC water turned okay, that’s good to know.

 

[zpped]

Day 3 of using BAC from Amazon, Aqua Science, still alive. No burning, redness etc.

On a serious note, I agree the points made here against ordering from Amazon are valid ones. I did order Hospira afterwards, still decided to give a try to the ones from Amazon at my own risk. At least the company has been in business for a long time, has physical presence in Ohio, has webstite, own store, contact info

The risk I was taking is hard to quantify, cases of bad product from Amazon are widely publicized, spread exponentially in various threads, while I suspect those with uneventful outcomes like mine aren't widely shared. So there is some statistical bias here.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Day 3 of using BAC from Amazon, Aqua Science, still alive. No burning, redness etc.

On a serious note, I agree the points made here against ordering from Amazon are valid ones. I did order Hospira afterwards, still decided to give a try to the ones from Amazon at my own risk. At least the company has been in business for a long time, has physical presence in Ohio, has webstite, own store, contact info

The risk I was taking is hard to quantify, cases of bad product from Amazon are widely publicized, spread exponentially in various threads, while I suspect those with uneventful outcomes like mine aren't widely shared. So there is some statistical bias here.

Is this company the one that makes their bac water in the same lab where they make their drain cleaner?

In the big picture you're not wrong and there aren't people dropping dead from Amazon bac water. The question that puzzles me most is why? Why are people paying close to the exact same price as the name brand (and despite the stupidity of it, regulated) product for something that was likely made in someone's kitchen or bathroom, and the only scientific analysis ever done of it is internet reviews saying "it worked fine for me" or "it didn't cause stinging or burning so must be exactly the same as Hospira".

I wonder how many people who complain about a peptide being bunk actually unwittingly destroyed the peptide because their Amazon bac water was too alkaline or acidic, or had the wrong kind of alcohol, etc. even if they never had any kind of reaction to the injection itself.

I wonder how many people who post all over the internet daily about ISR's and other issues are using Amazon bac but don't admit to it.

I wonder why people are willing to wait weeks for their peptides from China, but need Amazon Prime to bring them $9.99/vial bac water next day instead of waiting an extra couple of days to get $9.99/vial Hospira.

Then I realize that people are just... people.

Amazon bac water is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people. Can't say if it's harmful to the poor little peptides though. Injecting tap water subq is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people either, does that make it a good idea?

 

[chmuse]

Thanks for your post. You’re speaking against the orthodoxy spread by me and others. But since your Amazon BAC water turned okay, that’s good to know.

It's not something I would do again. I was a young stupid pep noob. This whole glp thing is a journey, and it's worth spending the week waiting to have a bottle of the good stuff shipped.

 

[AndyPanda]

My philosophy about the price is pretty simple, yet so hard to get most people to comprehend. It makes no sense to me that after saving hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars by taking the peptide route, why they would be so willing to use Amazon mystery water in order to save the cost of a cup of coffee. Especially if reconstituting an expensive product, it would really suck to ruin one or more $50 vials of peptides just to save $3 on a bottle of BAC.



Another frustrating factor is the idiots who proclaim Amazon water as perfectly safe since they've never had an issue. They're like the heroin addict who has never died of an overdose telling everyone how safe a hobby it is.

Yeah, people are injecting mystery powder from China so why should the water matter? At least the peptides are pretty routinely tested whereas most knockoff BAC water has never been tested.

When I retired from law enforcement, I did investigations for Amazon. Both theft, and Environmental Health and Safety. If people saw the way that things were stored in fulfillment centers, they probably wouldn’t buy anything consumable. They will store dead crickets next to vitamins on a shelf with bleach, ammonia, sex toys and lithium ion batteries. The most random thing you can think of Amazon selling is on random shelves. The only exceptions being what they call HVA, where high value items are stored together in areas that have better camera coverage, because those items are stolen more often by the class of people they hire to stow, pick and pack.

There is no standard as to how things are stored. Product enters a warehouse and ends up anywhere there is space. It is 100% random. It is also being handled by people that have pick rates. If they come under their rate, they get feedback from managers. They treat everything Like they don’t care. Because they in fact, do not care.

Their true pharmacy facilities operate differently, but definitely not non-Rx, OTC items. Reputable pharma would distance themselves from their fulfillment practices. There is no quality control.

Saving money comes at a cost.

 

[skeptick]

I made too many friends, they tell me about deals and my buy now finger is faster than my brain

It's the Really Good Deals I struggle with. Wonder if there ain't sumptin for that.....

 

[chmuse]

It's the Really Good Deals I struggle with. Wonder if there ain't sumptin for that.....

Prices are crashing. I bought reta 60 like a month or two ago and it's already devalued by at least $75 from what I paid, probably more if I looked harder. I chose to buy a bunch because it makes my anxiety better knowing that even if grey goes away, I'll still have options in my freezer. Don't buy more than you can afford, but if I could never buy any ever again, I'll still have enough to maintain until at the very least cheap ass generics are available.

 

[razuzin]

Is this company the one that makes their bac water in the same lab where they make their drain cleaner?

In the big picture you're not wrong and there aren't people dropping dead from Amazon bac water. The question that puzzles me most is why? Why are people paying close to the exact same price as the name brand (and despite the stupidity of it, regulated) product for something that was likely made in someone's kitchen or bathroom, and the only scientific analysis ever done of it is internet reviews saying "it worked fine for me" or "it didn't cause stinging or burning so must be exactly the same as Hospira".

I wonder how many people who complain about a peptide being bunk actually unwittingly destroyed the peptide because their Amazon bac water was too alkaline or acidic, or had the wrong kind of alcohol, etc. even if they never had any kind of reaction to the injection itself.

I wonder how many people who post all over the internet daily about ISR's and other issues are using Amazon bac but don't admit to it.

I wonder why people are willing to wait weeks for their peptides from China, but need Amazon Prime to bring them $9.99/vial bac water next day instead of waiting an extra couple of days to get $9.99/vial Hospira.

Then I realize that people are just... people.

Amazon bac water is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people. Can't say if it's harmful to the poor little peptides though. Injecting tap water subq is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people either, does that make it a good idea?

A lot of conjecture in this post. For example, about making BAC water in the same lab as dry cleaner. Pfizer also makes a lot of stuff which would mess up BAC water.
I;m just assuming that
a) BAC water is relatively easy to make, at least in the industrial conditions
b) It's in the company's self-interest to make a decent product with the right acidity, especially if the company has been in real business for a while, why would they want a negative publicity