Hospira BAC Availability

[keangkong]

Anecdotally I didn't want to wait for hospira and got some Amazon bac with two day shipping. I'm also fine. The problem is not knowing if it's good quality- some have tested not sterile in the past. It's a risk you don't have to take and I haven't looked at it in a while but when I bought it it wasn't even any cheaper.

Thanks for your post. You’re speaking against the orthodoxy spread by me and others. But since your Amazon BAC water turned okay, that’s good to know.

 

[zpped]

Day 3 of using BAC from Amazon, Aqua Science, still alive. No burning, redness etc.

On a serious note, I agree the points made here against ordering from Amazon are valid ones. I did order Hospira afterwards, still decided to give a try to the ones from Amazon at my own risk. At least the company has been in business for a long time, has physical presence in Ohio, has webstite, own store, contact info

The risk I was taking is hard to quantify, cases of bad product from Amazon are widely publicized, spread exponentially in various threads, while I suspect those with uneventful outcomes like mine aren't widely shared. So there is some statistical bias here.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Day 3 of using BAC from Amazon, Aqua Science, still alive. No burning, redness etc.

On a serious note, I agree the points made here against ordering from Amazon are valid ones. I did order Hospira afterwards, still decided to give a try to the ones from Amazon at my own risk. At least the company has been in business for a long time, has physical presence in Ohio, has webstite, own store, contact info

The risk I was taking is hard to quantify, cases of bad product from Amazon are widely publicized, spread exponentially in various threads, while I suspect those with uneventful outcomes like mine aren't widely shared. So there is some statistical bias here.

Is this company the one that makes their bac water in the same lab where they make their drain cleaner?

In the big picture you're not wrong and there aren't people dropping dead from Amazon bac water. The question that puzzles me most is why? Why are people paying close to the exact same price as the name brand (and despite the stupidity of it, regulated) product for something that was likely made in someone's kitchen or bathroom, and the only scientific analysis ever done of it is internet reviews saying "it worked fine for me" or "it didn't cause stinging or burning so must be exactly the same as Hospira".

I wonder how many people who complain about a peptide being bunk actually unwittingly destroyed the peptide because their Amazon bac water was too alkaline or acidic, or had the wrong kind of alcohol, etc. even if they never had any kind of reaction to the injection itself.

I wonder how many people who post all over the internet daily about ISR's and other issues are using Amazon bac but don't admit to it.

I wonder why people are willing to wait weeks for their peptides from China, but need Amazon Prime to bring them $9.99/vial bac water next day instead of waiting an extra couple of days to get $9.99/vial Hospira.

Then I realize that people are just... people.

Amazon bac water is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people. Can't say if it's harmful to the poor little peptides though. Injecting tap water subq is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people either, does that make it a good idea?

 

[chmuse]

Thanks for your post. You’re speaking against the orthodoxy spread by me and others. But since your Amazon BAC water turned okay, that’s good to know.

It's not something I would do again. I was a young stupid pep noob. This whole glp thing is a journey, and it's worth spending the week waiting to have a bottle of the good stuff shipped.

 

[AndyPanda]

My philosophy about the price is pretty simple, yet so hard to get most people to comprehend. It makes no sense to me that after saving hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars by taking the peptide route, why they would be so willing to use Amazon mystery water in order to save the cost of a cup of coffee. Especially if reconstituting an expensive product, it would really suck to ruin one or more $50 vials of peptides just to save $3 on a bottle of BAC.



Another frustrating factor is the idiots who proclaim Amazon water as perfectly safe since they've never had an issue. They're like the heroin addict who has never died of an overdose telling everyone how safe a hobby it is.

Yeah, people are injecting mystery powder from China so why should the water matter? At least the peptides are pretty routinely tested whereas most knockoff BAC water has never been tested.

When I retired from law enforcement, I did investigations for Amazon. Both theft, and Environmental Health and Safety. If people saw the way that things were stored in fulfillment centers, they probably wouldn’t buy anything consumable. They will store dead crickets next to vitamins on a shelf with bleach, ammonia, sex toys and lithium ion batteries. The most random thing you can think of Amazon selling is on random shelves. The only exceptions being what they call HVA, where high value items are stored together in areas that have better camera coverage, because those items are stolen more often by the class of people they hire to stow, pick and pack.

There is no standard as to how things are stored. Product enters a warehouse and ends up anywhere there is space. It is 100% random. It is also being handled by people that have pick rates. If they come under their rate, they get feedback from managers. They treat everything Like they don’t care. Because they in fact, do not care.

Their true pharmacy facilities operate differently, but definitely not non-Rx, OTC items. Reputable pharma would distance themselves from their fulfillment practices. There is no quality control.

Saving money comes at a cost.

 

[skeptick]

I made too many friends, they tell me about deals and my buy now finger is faster than my brain

It's the Really Good Deals I struggle with. Wonder if there ain't sumptin for that.....

 

[chmuse]

It's the Really Good Deals I struggle with. Wonder if there ain't sumptin for that.....

Prices are crashing. I bought reta 60 like a month or two ago and it's already devalued by at least $75 from what I paid, probably more if I looked harder. I chose to buy a bunch because it makes my anxiety better knowing that even if grey goes away, I'll still have options in my freezer. Don't buy more than you can afford, but if I could never buy any ever again, I'll still have enough to maintain until at the very least cheap ass generics are available.

 

[razuzin]

Is this company the one that makes their bac water in the same lab where they make their drain cleaner?

In the big picture you're not wrong and there aren't people dropping dead from Amazon bac water. The question that puzzles me most is why? Why are people paying close to the exact same price as the name brand (and despite the stupidity of it, regulated) product for something that was likely made in someone's kitchen or bathroom, and the only scientific analysis ever done of it is internet reviews saying "it worked fine for me" or "it didn't cause stinging or burning so must be exactly the same as Hospira".

I wonder how many people who complain about a peptide being bunk actually unwittingly destroyed the peptide because their Amazon bac water was too alkaline or acidic, or had the wrong kind of alcohol, etc. even if they never had any kind of reaction to the injection itself.

I wonder how many people who post all over the internet daily about ISR's and other issues are using Amazon bac but don't admit to it.

I wonder why people are willing to wait weeks for their peptides from China, but need Amazon Prime to bring them $9.99/vial bac water next day instead of waiting an extra couple of days to get $9.99/vial Hospira.

Then I realize that people are just... people.

Amazon bac water is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people. Can't say if it's harmful to the poor little peptides though. Injecting tap water subq is probably not harmful to 99.9% of people either, does that make it a good idea?

A lot of conjecture in this post. For example, about making BAC water in the same lab as dry cleaner. Pfizer also makes a lot of stuff which would mess up BAC water.
I;m just assuming that
a) BAC water is relatively easy to make, at least in the industrial conditions
b) It's in the company's self-interest to make a decent product with the right acidity, especially if the company has been in real business for a while, why would they want a negative publicity

 

[dietpepsee]

Pfizer also makes a lot of stuff which would mess up BAC water.
I;m just assuming that
a) BAC water is relatively easy to make, at least in the industrial conditions
b) It's in the company's self-interest to make a decent product with the right acidity, especially if the company has been in real business for a while, why would they want a negative publicity

Consider that Pfizer is a massive multi-billion dollar company used by other massive entities and is constantly under the microscope (so to speak) of both governments and the best trial attorneys, who are always on the lookout to sue companies like that into oblivion for the lawsuit score of a lifetime if Pfizer effs up BAC water.

Meanwhile if you get nasty BAC water from some little no-name privately run operation, the manufacturer isn't under nearly as much scrutiny, has much less to lose, and governments, attorneys, and juries are going to be much less interested and sympathetic because of the nature of what you're doing.

I bought Pfizer BAC water last week for about $7.60 per 30ml bottle, shipped, and received it in 2 days.

I realize we're all taking risks using peptides, but the reason we're doing it is because these treatments aren't available or affordable elsewhere. The same can't be said for BAC water.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

A lot of conjecture in this post. For example, about making BAC water in the same lab as dry cleaner. Pfizer also makes a lot of stuff which would mess up BAC water.
I;m just assuming that
a) BAC water is relatively easy to make, at least in the industrial conditions
b) It's in the company's self-interest to make a decent product with the right acidity, especially if the company has been in real business for a while, why would they want a negative publicity

The main part outside my conjecture you didn't address is the question of why? What great benefit is there to paying the same price or more for gray-market BAC water on Amazon when the name-brand product with a long-established track record of consistency (and yes, I'm aware they had an FDA-mandated recall several years ago -- something you'd never see from anyone peddling the stuff on Amazon) is readily available countless places other than Amazon?

Why?

The fact that BAC water is a prescription product is asinine. Prescription water. Still, for something so insanely profitable it seems odd that only one pharma company actually makes it.

As others have mentioned - and despite my absolute disdain for the manner in which the FDA does 90% of things - Pfizer is continuously subject to inspection and testing by the FDA so even if they're making rat poison in the next room there's far less chance of there ever being a hint of cross-contamination compared to anyone who has decided to try to get rich making their own fancy water "on-the-side" and alongside their industrial cleaning products.

Another interesting observation that occurs to me is this particular company has a total of six products listed on Amazon, and two of them are used in the drug trade; BAC water and drain cleaner. It seems like they know exactly who their target customers are. (And maybe those other four products have applications in amateur pharmaceuticals as well, I gladly don't have enough knowledge and experience in that area.)

Look, like I said there aren't people dying from using this mystery Amazon BAC, and the reactions that most people have seem to be relatively minor and are easily resolved by discontinuing its use. It just fascinates and puzzles me that people seem to have this strange affinity for it to the point that they will often pay as much or more than the name-brand product and then go out of their way to defend it.

 

[keangkong]

The main part outside my conjecture you didn't address is the question of why? What great benefit is there to paying the same price or more for gray-market BAC water on Amazon when the name-brand product with a long-established track record of consistency (and yes, I'm aware they had an FDA-mandated recall several years ago -- something you'd never see from anyone peddling the stuff on Amazon) is readily available countless places other than Amazon?

Why?

The fact that BAC water is a prescription product is asinine. Prescription water. Still, for something so insanely profitable it seems odd that only one pharma company actually makes it.

As others have mentioned - and despite my absolute disdain for the manner in which the FDA does 90% of things - Pfizer is continuously subject to inspection and testing by the FDA so even if they're making rat poison in the next room there's far less chance of there ever being a hint of cross-contamination compared to anyone who has decided to try to get rich making their own fancy water "on-the-side" and alongside their industrial cleaning products.

Another interesting observation that occurs to me is this particular company has a total of six products listed on Amazon, and two of them are used in the drug trade; BAC water and drain cleaner. It seems like they know exactly who their target customers are. (And maybe those other four products have applications in amateur pharmaceuticals as well, I gladly don't have enough knowledge and experience in that area.)

Look, like I said there aren't people dying from using this mystery Amazon BAC, and the reactions that most people have seem to be relatively minor and are easily resolved by discontinuing its use. It just fascinates and puzzles me that people seem to have this strange affinity for it to the point that they will often pay as much or more than the name-brand product and then go out of their way to defend it.

Why do people order BAC water from Amazon? Easy. Because it's easy. Many folks, including me, regularly order off of Amazon. I ordered 2-3 products today alone. We're used to doing so. Many products on Amazon turn out to be great. It takes additional work to order from somewhere else. I'm not actually advocating that people buy their BAC water off of Amazon. I also don't order syringes off of Amazon because Amazon makes it hard for California residents to get decent syringes. My own personal experience with Amazon BAC water was so bad that I threw away the vial into which I had injected the BAC water. However, being a person who ordered BAC water off of Amazon, I have no trouble understanding why people do so.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Why do people order BAC water from Amazon? Easy. Because it's easy. Many folks, including me, regularly order off of Amazon. I ordered 2-3 products today alone. We're used to doing so. Many products on Amazon turn out to be great. It takes additional work to order from somewhere else. I'm not actually advocating that people buy their BAC water off of Amazon. I also don't order syringes off of Amazon because Amazon makes it hard for California residents to get decent syringes. My own personal experience with Amazon BAC water was so bad that I threw away the vial into which I had injected the BAC water. However, being a person who ordered BAC water off of Amazon, I have no trouble understanding why people do so.

I totally get the ease of it, and probably get at least 2 or 3 deliveries a week from them myself (and have literally had weeks of daily deliveries on more than one occasion lol). But I don't do 100% of my shopping at Amazon, and like you there are certain things that I don't or won't buy there.

If I could get Hospira BAC on Amazon, you can bet your ass I would buy it there, and I might even be willing to pay a bit more for the convenience.

My main issues with Amazon BAC start with the fact that the people/companies producing and selling it are far more interested in profit than they are in safety and are completely opaque about everything behind its production. I'm not saying profit motive is bad by any means, I am fully in favor of maximum profit. What is bad is the long history of small opportunistic companies producing every kind of product imaginable being too willing to cut corners, ignoring things like basic hygiene and safety, or even having adequate knowledge or experience to produce the product in the first place; all in the name of profit first, safety last, or third, or wherever it might fit in any given day if at all.

To me it's like the local seafood restaurant that some people love and some people hate; for whatever their reasons. Whichever side of the fence someone may be on, if they're not aware that the owner is getting his fish from a local pond that's been contaminated with mercury and PCB's, and then preparing them in a kitchen that nobody ever gets to see and has black mold covering many surfaces and rat shit everywhere, they're putting themselves at risk every time they eat there. (Oh, and the guy also doesn't bother washing his hands after using the toilet either.) But nobody sees this; the dining area is pristine, the presentation of the food is artistry, and even though some people get sick occasionally and others develop issues that nobody would ever think could be a result of the owner's practices, the people that love the place and always sing its praises just write it off as nonsense, none the wiser that they just ate a bunch of moldy rat shit, possibly with a touch of human piss and shit, with a little mercury and some tetrachlorobiphenyl for flavor. 🤮

 

[razuzin]

The main part outside my conjecture you didn't address is the question of why? What great benefit is there to paying the same price or more for gray-market BAC water on Amazon when the name-brand product with a long-established track record of consistency (and yes, I'm aware they had an FDA-mandated recall several years ago -- something you'd never see from anyone peddling the stuff on Amazon) is readily available countless places other than Amazon?

Why?

The fact that BAC water is a prescription product is asinine. Prescription water. Still, for something so insanely profitable it seems odd that only one pharma company actually makes it.

As others have mentioned - and despite my absolute disdain for the manner in which the FDA does 90% of things - Pfizer is continuously subject to inspection and testing by the FDA so even if they're making rat poison in the next room there's far less chance of there ever being a hint of cross-contamination compared to anyone who has decided to try to get rich making their own fancy water "on-the-side" and alongside their industrial cleaning products.

Another interesting observation that occurs to me is this particular company has a total of six products listed on Amazon, and two of them are used in the drug trade; BAC water and drain cleaner. It seems like they know exactly who their target customers are. (And maybe those other four products have applications in amateur pharmaceuticals as well, I gladly don't have enough knowledge and experience in that area.)

Look, like I said there aren't people dying from using this mystery Amazon BAC, and the reactions that most people have seem to be relatively minor and are easily resolved by discontinuing its use. It just fascinates and puzzles me that people seem to have this strange affinity for it to the point that they will often pay as much or more than the name-brand product and then go out of their way to defend it.

I just don't need 25 30 ml vials of BAC, I just need 2. The difference of buying from Amazon non-Hospira and buying Hospira incl shipping is around $15. Yeah maybe it wasn't worth it, I ended up buying both anyway.