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Death Related to black market weight loss Jabs in UK

Very sad! I wish someone had pointed her to here. She may have found a good source with COAs, learned how to reconstitute and monitor her dosage.

BP loves this shit.

Meanwhile, obesity is a bigger "killer" and folks are getting healthy from this stuff. But you won't see any of the success stories on the evening news🙁
 
These two paragraphs from the story are very important:

The family has since been told Karen was not injected with tirzepatide, the drug known by the brand name Mounjaro; instead, she was administered semaglutide - a different weight loss drug, requiring a different dosage.

Karen’s family are awaiting further test results, but they believe the unlicensed weight-loss jabs were to blame for her death.
 
The strangest part of the whole article is that they were told she would die in a few days… but no cause of death was detailed. The drs must have know what was failing if they knew thy could not help her… right?!

Edit: researching symptoms seems to indicate septic shock from infection or acute pancreatitis.
 
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dogmom said:
I don't believe she died from Sema. Maybe something else was in that vial or else things were not properly cleaned and she got a bacterial infection.
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At the very least it’s seems like they might want to wait for the test results before publishing. Who knows what killed her? Very sad regardless.
 
The news story says she was injected Semaglutide not Mounjaro. It sounds like it was a high dose. But high dose wegovy is not lethal. Have to wait for further information as high dose Sema is safe even it it wasn't mounjaro.
 
Nathanologist said:
The strangest part of the whole article is that they were told she would die in a few days… but no cause of death was detailed. The drs must have know what was failing if they knew thy could not help her… right?!

Edit: researching symptoms seems to indicate septic shock from infection or acute pancreatitis.
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The few symptoms described in the article sound like sepsis to me. The salon probably injected her with some seriously non-sterile solution and she ended up dying from infection. All speculation on my part without knowing the actual cause of death, but this doesn't sound like it can be directly attributed to GLPs. Probably more a case of non-medical people practicing unlicensed medicine and killing someone. A tale as old as time, and very sad.
 
keangkong said:
It seems premature to blame to the death on what was injected into her (even if the wrong weight loss drug) before hearing the opinion of the pathologists.
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I agree and am also skeptical that this was a "fatal dose" of sema. I suspect it to be more likely related to underlying issues (those pesky comorbidities that we are all too familiar with) or other condition/event unrelated to sema. Hopefully the professionals who figure this stuff out won't be swayed by fearmongering or sympathy.

It's been a while since I've heard of one of those underground Botox "clinics" or pretend doctors injecting bovine fat for cosmetic reasons killing anyone, and have a feeling this may be a similar situation where whatever was being injected wasn't what anyone said or thought it was.
 
First of all, the cause of death is just pure speculation, as no results of any medical examination are shown. They are just blaming the shots. She was obese, and may well have had a heart attack.


Yes, heart attacks can cause a purple or bluish coloring (cyanosis) of the face, lips, or skin
, a symptom of inadequate oxygen in the blood. This occurs because the heart may not be effectively pumping oxygen-rich blood, leading to a lack of oxygen circulating to the body's tissues. It's a sign of a serious underlying heart issue and requires immediate medical attention.



How it happens

  • Poor oxygen supply: During a heart attack, the heart may be unable to pump enough oxygen-rich blood throughout the body.
  • Cyanosis: When there isn't enough oxygen in the blood, the hemoglobin in the blood turns a bluer or purplish color. This makes the skin, lips, and face appear bluish or purple, a condition known as cyanosis.
 
Family members and friends are notorious for blaming random shit that happened temporally close to the death for what happened even when there is no specific reason to believe it was the case.

Is it possible it is related? Sure.

Do we have any specific evidence here that it was? Nope.

But if it turns out to be unrelated we're not going to see any follow up article.
 
desinr-gal said:
First of all, the cause of death is just pure speculation, as no results of any medical examination are shown. They are just blaming the shots. She was obese, and may well have had a heart attack.


Yes, heart attacks can cause a purple or bluish coloring (cyanosis) of the face, lips, or skin
, a symptom of inadequate oxygen in the blood. This occurs because the heart may not be effectively pumping oxygen-rich blood, leading to a lack of oxygen circulating to the body's tissues. It's a sign of a serious underlying heart issue and requires immediate medical attention.



How it happens

  • Poor oxygen supply: During a heart attack, the heart may be unable to pump enough oxygen-rich blood throughout the body.
  • Cyanosis: When there isn't enough oxygen in the blood, the hemoglobin in the blood turns a bluer or purplish color. This makes the skin, lips, and face appear bluish or purple, a condition known as cyanosis.
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That is exactly what I was thinking. The more obese you are the higher the probability of that happening.
How many deaths could have been prevented if people had access to these drugs sooner!!!!
 
Mr. Blonde said:
Eli Lilly board of attorneys are working overtime to get this article pushed out worldwide!$
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My take as well. They haven't even CONFIRMED what the cause of death was (... "Karen’s family are awaiting further test results, but they believe the unlicensed weight-loss jabs were to blame for her death." ) yet they're saying it was-without actually knowing it. WTF?!
I mean it's a damned shame she died, either way, but there is a concerted effort, at least BBC-wise, to scare people from my little observation of these glp articles. I mean how many people have died from taking EL SUGGESTED meds recommended by a Dr.? Hmm?
They don't push THOSE as news... 🙄
But hey, what do I know?
 
While it is possible for her death to be due to semaglutide, both the presentation to hospital and her age, depression and obesity make death from other unrelated issues much more probable. I could not find any evidence that a cause of death has been released. Heart attack or pulmonary embolus are two common causes, in that age/risk group, that could give you pain and cyanosis and be fatal, but it could be due to a large number of other causes, including some that could be caused by semaglutide. The most likely semaglutide related causes would be pancreatitis or gallbladder stones with infection, but this does not fit as well with her described presentation to hospital. I guess sepsis from a subcutaneous injection is possible ( but very improbable ) but there would be obvious visible infection at the injection site. Semaglutide reduces the risk of heart attack, so it would be strange to blame it if that was the cause.
The thing that is odd is that someone, presumably the one giving the injection, has been charged with manslaughter. If her death were unrelated to her unlicensed treatment this would be hard to justify, and it indicates that the cause of death is known but they are not releasing it yet, and it is at least thought to be related to her treatment.
I may have helped a person obtain similar medication, as have many people on this forum. In the very unlikely, but possible, event of that person suffering a fatal adverse effect, having supplied a prescription medication to that person could leave you or me exposed to risks of prosecution. I am not sure how this would work in the US with their grey status but in places like the UK or Australia, they are definitely illegal to possess without a prescription. And giving or selling them to someone else would always be illegal.
 
lessthanhalf said:
While it is possible for her death to be due to semaglutide, both the presentation to hospital and her age, depression and obesity make death from other unrelated issues much more probable. I could not find any evidence that a cause of death has been released. Heart attack or pulmonary embolus are two common causes, in that age/risk group, that could give you pain and cyanosis and be fatal, but it could be due to a large number of other causes, including some that could be caused by semaglutide. The most likely semaglutide related causes would be pancreatitis or gallbladder stones with infection, but this does not fit as well with her described presentation to hospital. I guess sepsis from a subcutaneous injection is possible ( but very improbable ) but there would be obvious visible infection at the injection site. Semaglutide reduces the risk of heart attack, so it would be strange to blame it if that was the cause.
The thing that is odd is that someone, presumably the one giving the injection, has been charged with manslaughter. If her death were unrelated to her unlicensed treatment this would be hard to justify, and it indicates that the cause of death is known but they are not releasing it yet, and it is at least thought to be related to her treatment.
I may have helped a person obtain similar medication, as have many people on this forum. In the very unlikely, but possible, event of that person suffering a fatal adverse effect, having supplied a prescription medication to that person could leave you or me exposed to risks of prosecution. I am not sure how this would work in the US with their grey status but in places like the UK or Australia, they are definitely illegal to possess without a prescription. And giving or selling them to someone else would always be illegal.
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I think that regardless how she died, the weight loss, especially if it was quick weight loss would be a "contributing factor" that could make the gal in the beauty shop open to prosecution, even if there was nothing wrong with semaglutide.

On a side note, very sadly my brother died at age 40 of a massive heart attack. In the days prior to his death, he said that he felt a little poorly, sluggish, and tired. The fourth day after feeling poorly, the person talking to him said that all of a sudden his face turned purple/blue and he hit the ground instantly. He died instantly. Other than just a a few days of feeling off, there were no warnings at all. (I'm not telling this for sympathy.)

Like DoohDah said, it could have been any of the commodities that killed her. The beauty shop gal is probably going down regardless of what really caused it. I hope that there is some follow-up.
 
clayd said:
These two paragraphs from the story are very important:

The family has since been told Karen was not injected with tirzepatide, the drug known by the brand name Mounjaro; instead, she was administered semaglutide - a different weight loss drug, requiring a different dosage.

Karen’s family are awaiting further test results, but they believe the unlicensed weight-loss jabs were to blame for her death.
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This wasn't caused by the grey market, this was caused by the woman being denied access to the real thing and being so desperate that she went to people who had no business doing what they were doing.
 
Vish1979 said:
GLP-1 have caused many death over last few years. Its well documented . But they are generally safe
Major issue Unlicensed beauticians and non-medical providers offering injections at beauty salons, spas, and homes without appropriate medical oversight
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I won't deny that this is true. All the weight loss drugs have a risk even if that risk is low ... its still there.

BUT

Roughly 300,000 people die every year in the US from obesity related causes. There have only been about 500 documented GLP1 deaths in total in the US since they came to the market in 2005. 500 deaths is nothing compared to 6 million.
 
MsGizmo said:
I won't deny that this is true. All the weight loss drugs have a risk even if that risk is low ... its still there.

BUT

Roughly 300,000 people die every year in the US from obesity related causes. There have only been about 500 documented GLP1 deaths in total in the US since they came to the market in 2005. 500 deaths is nothing compared to 6 million.
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But they don't make money from you being healthy now, do they? Better to keep you obese and on drugs that CAUSE OTHER problems ...that they then prescribe more drugs for THAT NEW problem.
What a racket. 🤨
 
dogmom said:
I don't believe she died from Sema. Maybe something else was in that vial or else things were not properly cleaned and she got a bacterial infection.
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Well, it is possible that she had an obstructed bowel or pancreatitis. They are both known risks of GLP1 drugs that we should be aware of. Paying attention to your bowel movements is something worth thinking about. We should also know what to do if there is an issue.

It might sound odd ... but drinking (sugar free) cola can treat/help to prevent an obstructed bowel.

Carbonated soda treatment of phytobezoars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
lessthanhalf said:
I may have helped a person obtain similar medication, as have many people on this forum. In the very unlikely, but possible, event of that person suffering a fatal adverse effect, having supplied a prescription medication to that person could leave you or me exposed to risks of prosecution. I am not sure how this would work in the US with their grey status but in places like the UK or Australia, they are definitely illegal to possess without a prescription. And giving or selling them to someone else would always be illegal.
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That's one of multiple reasons why I'll never so much as suggest my friends and family get into grey, and will never, ever procure for any of them. Not just legal responsibility, but what if they got sick from something I got them?

The exception is if I get hit by a bus with Tirz in my freezer. R, K, and S all have keys to my house and my mom knows they're clear to take anything they find in a thermos there if they want it. They're all three gracious, wonderful women and probably won't pull each other's hair over any of it.
 
ZippityDooDah said:
I agree and am also skeptical that this was a "fatal dose" of sema. I suspect it to be more likely related to underlying issues (those pesky comorbidities that we are all too familiar with) or other condition/event unrelated to sema. Hopefully the professionals who figure this stuff out won't be swayed by fearmongering or sympathy.

It's been a while since I've heard of one of those underground Botox "clinics" or pretend doctors injecting bovine fat for cosmetic reasons killing anyone, and have a feeling this may be a similar situation where whatever was being injected wasn't what anyone said or thought it was.
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I'm an attorney. I remember a friend asking if I would recommend a medical malpractice attorney to sue a doctor because her friend's mother died supposedly due to medical malpractice. Before I could decide upon an attorney to recommend, I learned that the autopsy showed that the mother OD'd on a controlled substance. People die. It happens.
 
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