Got some pens off Ali Express I like so far

[loveisinthearies]

Over on Peppys there’s a whole conversation surrounding sterilizing carts with an Instapot. Not sure if it made it over here, but that’s my plan. You can also use a pressure canner I believe if it gets to a certain PSI.

 

[cheaperseeker]

I spent 2 years working in a maximum security penitentiary in the late 1900’s.

Jesus. Late 1900s sounds old as hell. My brain initially processed it to mean late 1800s, and I thought you were about to make up a story about how you died and have been haunting a penitentiary for over 100 years.

 

[cheaperseeker]

I’ve been searching pens myself so thank you for the feedback on the V1 V2. I did look at the gansulin pen but have never used any pen so don’t know what I’m missing either way at this point. I have an order of GHK-cu and KPV so definitely looking for a pen for simplicity

I felt the same, so I bought a few V1 pens for about $12 each. I'm pretty happy with them, since I haven't experienced anything else, and they're so much more convenient than drawing up into a syringe every time I pin.

 

[BooneDonk]

Jesus. Late 1900s sounds old as hell. My brain initially processed it to mean late 1800s, and I thought you were about to make up a story about how you died and have been haunting a penitentiary for over 100 years.

My daughter, lovely child, hit me with that phrase around the age of 14 after asking when I graduated from high school. Smart ass is an inherited trait for her so I allowed it then and use it still.

 

[spyke65]

Pens are so good, but there's so much extra waste involved. The vent needle, the plastic from that, the plastic from the cart wrapper, etc.

I found it to be a wash. I filter all of my reconstituted peptides, so the extra waste is negligible if at all. Instead of filtering into a sterile vial, it goes into the pen cartridge. The pen needles create somewhat less waste than insulin syringes.

Aside from the original pen cost, I’m finding 3ml cartridges to be cheaper than 3ml vials and pen needles to be cheaper than insulin syringes.

In the end, there’s not too much of an advantage or disadvantage to either set up other than personal preference and maybe ease of use. My preference is the pen.

 

[IshimaruKenta]

Over on Peppys there’s a whole conversation surrounding sterilizing carts with an Instapot. Not sure if it made it over here, but that’s my plan. You can also use a pressure canner I believe if it gets to a certain PSI.

My buddy who does my carts says not to do them in an Instapot, as the temperature just isn't right enough. But I didn't really want to get in an argument on the internet.

 

[IshimaruKenta]

I found it to be a wash. I filter all of my reconstituted peptides, so the extra waste is negligible if at all. Instead of filtering into a sterile vial, it goes into the pen cartridge. The pen needles create somewhat less waste than insulin syringes.

Aside from the original pen cost, I’m finding 3ml cartridges to be cheaper than 3ml vials and pen needles to be cheaper than insulin syringes.

In the end, there’s not too much of an advantage or disadvantage to either set up other than personal preference and maybe ease of use. My preference is the pen.

All the waste meaning all the trash that gets generated from making it.

 

[spyke65]

All the waste meaning all the trash that gets generated from making it.

Understood. But because I filter, my waste is almost equal. My 3ml vials and 3ml cartridges are both in wraps, I have to vent the vial or the cartridge to fill, etc. For those skipping filtering, yes the waste is less because you aren’t transferring the reconstituted solution from the original vial to a new one.

 

[randompersonrandom]

Understood. But because I filter, my waste is almost equal. My 3ml vials and 3ml cartridges are both in wraps, I have to vent the vial or the cartridge to fill, etc. For those skipping filtering, yes the waste is less because you aren’t transferring the reconstituted solution from the original vial to a new one.

Think she means manufacturing. Which I still can't bring myself to get too worked up about when it comes to medical stuff (though I respect the thought).

 

[IshimaruKenta]

Think she means manufacturing. Which I still can't bring myself to get too worked up about when it comes to medical stuff (though I respect the thought).

She? 😅

 

[randompersonrandom]

She? 😅

They! My bad!

 

[X3rocks]

You're comparing apples and gorillas.

Name-brand syringe manufacturers have all sorts of ongoing FDA compliance requirements like testing, inspections, and actual quality control including traceable batches (not to be confused with peptide "batches" which would be better labeled as "Jimmy/Tuesday 3:42pm"), and -- you know -- huge incentive to not kill a bunch of customers. It would probably take under 96 hours for a recall of unsterile syringes to be issued where if any kind of unsterile grey market product from China would probably have to kill around 96 people before anyone noticed.

I have worked in mfg for over 40 years. Some of which had strict safety protocol. Also saw paperwork get pencil whipped to make production quotas. I can imagine its much worse in china vs the USA.
Cartridges, syringes and other “sterile” consumables have a pile of paperwork behind them. Just hope all the pencil pushers did their jobs.
Is there a way we can determine carts and syringes were made in the US and not outsourced to china?

 

[cheaperseeker]

My daughter, lovely child, hit me with that phrase around the age of 14 after asking when I graduated from high school. Smart ass is an inherited trait for her so I allowed it then and use it still.

Darn whippersnappers!

 

[JujuJ]

I did not like my V2 at all. Just wasn't smooth mechanically. Look into either a Humapen Savvio or an All-Star Pro. They're way more expensive ($40 vs say $9-20) than the V2 but it's such a better pen overall. I won't go back to vial and needle anymore. Just wait until you see a gansulin pen. 🤌😍

I bought the V2's from AliExpress also. The were very stiff. I googled and it said to max clicks and push the plunger over and over. I did that and now they are all perfect.

 

[cheaperseeker]

All the waste meaning all the trash that gets generated from making it.

I recently learned that the Walmart bag recycle bins are also for other soft plastics, so I tear the paper off and put all the plastic wrappers in with my bags to bring in. Idk what really happens to all the plastic that goes in those bins, but it makes me feel slightly less guilty for the waste.

 

[X3rocks]

Just read a few articles saying look for BD, Schott or Medline for quality products. Looking into it farther I dont think the general public can purchase the empty cartridges from them

 

[X3rocks]

While on the subject of syringes and cartridges. Do any of the vendors supply bac water that the majority trust? Question is not for vendors. Aimed at buyers. I would think no?

 

[loveisinthearies]

My buddy who does my carts says not to do them in an Instapot, as the temperature just isn't right enough. But I didn't really want to get in an argument on the internet.

I’m sure if you have access to an autoclave you probably wouldn’t be a proponent of using an Instapot lol. No worries I’m not here to argue. The continued experiments satisfy my requirements for safety.

 

[IshimaruKenta]

I’m sure if you have access to an autoclave you probably wouldn’t be a proponent of using an Instapot lol. No worries I’m not here to argue. The continued experiments satisfy my requirements for safety.

I wasn't meaning arguing here, but on Peppy's. It also doesn't help that my friend does this for a living, so he's a little bias. 😂

 

[zpped]

well so far I seem to be surviving, Ive used 5 of them

It's subQ injections, you could inject tap water and probably be fine.

My point wasn't that using carts is bad (I've used over 100 carts on myself). It's that trusting the mark on the bag to mean its sterile is foolish. And I don't do anything to sterlize them myself either, its well within my risk profile.

 

[zpped]

I have worked in mfg for over 40 years. Some of which had strict safety protocol. Also saw paperwork get pencil whipped to make production quotas. I can imagine its much worse in china vs the USA.
Cartridges, syringes and other “sterile” consumables have a pile of paperwork behind them. Just hope all the pencil pushers did their jobs.
Is there a way we can determine carts and syringes were made in the US and not outsourced to china?

There is no where to buy pharma grade carts. They all come from anonymous Chinese factories. Real pharma syringes are very easy to buy.

While on the subject of syringes and cartridges. Do any of the vendors supply bac water that the majority trust? Question is not for vendors. Aimed at buyers. I would think no?

I would use PGB water if I was out of Hospira. But only as a last resort.

 

[Good-Heart6425]

Just read a few articles saying look for BD, Schott or Medline for quality products. Looking into it farther I dont think the general public can purchase the empty cartridges from them

I see BD available on eBay