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This looks interesting. Probably costs an arm and a leg though

I am not sure but the university offers a range of services. They might be able to identify TFA. I do know that vanguard offers microbiological screenings that include endotoxins, so you might want to contact them if that's a concern. Wondering if I should just buy my own HPLC at this point 🤔

I'm sitting here dying because I decided to pull a card from an advice deck I have, and this is what I got. Apparently you're right and I need to hide from the government 😂

Really good call out. Didn't want to give the impression that I was going to run out and buy some petri dishes on Amazon then start experimenting. There is a scientist on YouTube who does experiments to test the efficacy of cleaning products in her home and she's talked about her setup and...

I agree that this could be very helpful. I've actually been thinking about ordering a microbiological screening from Vanguard instead of a sterility test. IMHO sterility is a very high bar and actually not particularly useful for our purposes unless we are severely immunocompromised. It would be...

Seems like you are much more connected than the average person. That route might not work for me 🤔. Thanks for the quick reply!

@Revo39564, I just saw your post in another thread. Can you tell me how you established this relationship and what they needed from you to make it work?

I thought about that, but figured it might be overly cautious. I'm not doing anything illegal so there shouldn't really be any blowback, right?

Anyone here work with their local university for their testing needs? I am not sure how much it will cost but they appear to have a very reasonable hourly rate and from what I understand pharmaceuticals like acetaminophen and ibuprofen take about 15 minutes to analyze. If I can make it work it...

I think Reta prices will probably remain high until you can officially get it through official channels or there is a lot more competition/fewer sales. It might be a couple of years.

I think given the fact that this thread was started on October 1st and already has 16 pages it's still more common than it should be. Not to mention the fact that people are also reporting this on other forums as well. There are too many question marks to come to any conclusions which is why I...

Well, the research itself is a secret, but I am hoping to find out why some people experience an initial sting that seems different from a normal ISR

Is anyone who has experienced severe stinging with Amo willing to send me a vial from the same batch? Having the reconstituted vial that caused the sting would be great as well. I have an idea that I want to test.

I do like Skye and Tydes but they definitely charge a premium

If you're in the US and you need it ASAP go with Skye, Tydes, or Nexaph. I believe they all have expedited shipping options that would allow you to get it next day (if you're willing to pay for that).

I wasn't suggesting a group test, just mentioning it as an option. I have no clue how to arrange one but I could always do some reading.

Big yikes. I'm a little shocked that they would send something like that to a customer. I bought some Lipo-C (B12+ some other vitamins) from Nexaph but haven't sent it for testing yet. I wanted to send it once I got some items from ASC, but I can ship it off early if that would be helpful to you...

Of the labs I contacted Vanguard was actually the only one to get back to me. I am not sure if they have any experience with group testing if that is something you are interested in.

Yes. It's not super obvious but where it says find an option you can actually type whatever you want. No need to scroll. Thanks for pointing that out. 90% of the work that went into putting this together was trying to eliminate errors and inconsistencies like that. Study authors can put...

I think it's also important to add that there is a strong anti-government sentiment that makes the kind of reforms that have been mentioned in this thread difficult to enact. Some people are very sensitive to anything that could framed as "government overreach".

I agree, but given some of the conversations we've had about vendors and testing over the past few days it seems like a good idea.

I just combined a bunch of CSV files, cleaned the data a bit, did some formatting, and uploaded it to Airtable. Airtable is a really dynamic tool that allows you to turn basic spreadsheets into simple apps. I would definitely recommend playing around with it.

If you've already gone grey, you may still be eligible for one of the trials listed in my doc. As a general rule they ask that anyone with previous GLP-1 experience abstain for 90 days before starting a trial.

I made a clinical trial tracker for anyone interested in keeping up with the latest research on GLP-1s, and to help new folks determine whether or not they are eligible for an official study before they enter the grey market. I'll update it periodically. There are currently 225 clinical trials...

If you don't mind us asking is their a reason Tirz and Reta aren't options?

Thank you! I found a really good one for $100. Will do some research about proper sterilization practices before I actually use it.

That's really good to know. I hadn't thought about the impact to the rubber stopper over time. I have an instant pot capable of steam sterilization but wondered if this was a better option. Seems like I should probably stick with my steamer.

I read something that said with the appropriate solution they can be used as sterilization devices. Will try to find it

Wondering if anyone here uses an ultrasonic cleaner. The good ones are relatively cheap ($40-$150), but smaller ones intended for glasses and jewelry can be found for as little as $20. They are often used to sterilize medical equipment and lab tools. Experiences? Thoughts?

Yes I understand that there are people outside of the grey market who are experiencing ISRs. If even a small % of those people experienced ISRs it would generate a lot of reports because we are talking about a small percentage of a very large group. I'm specifically worried about this forum...

I definitely don't mean to be alarmist. I haven't tried the peptides I received from them yet but my experience with them was good, and from what I understand they generally test well. I am a little alarmed by the fact that I've really only seen ISR reported for Amo, I don't think it's related...

I would quit now. Not sure if you're reacting to the filler or the active ingredient but you shouldn't risk your health.

I completely agree. I think that when this space finally receives some heavy scrutiny it will be much better for us if it looks like there is a serious effort to enforce ethical behavior, safe practices, and informed decision making. There is no entity or interest group to speak for us so we are...

To be fair the specific person who made that comment (and most of the people on the call) is a pharmacist, so he is likely selling the official stuff from Lilly and dealing with lots of desperate patients. To traditional medical professionals who don't understand what we're doing it must look...

Agree. I think those concerns may be valid for the average user (he mentioned Facebook), but definitely not people on forums like this. It was a very interesting watch. I mostly decided to share because I've been closely tracking mentions of grey market/research peptides. The more attention...

Interesting interview with a panel of pharmacists and compounders about their experience on the Tirzepatide shortage. Validates a lot of what patients are saying, but it's also feels like the first time I've seen a medical professional publicly express concern about "Research Grade" peptides...

I bought some from them but stored them with bottles I got from PepPens. I am not 100% sure which ones they sent me but I have bottles that expire in May 2025 and January 2026

Glad they are reviewing this decision. My RS has access to prescription Tirz and their pharmacy says it isn't in stock. Might be able to get it next week. If they can't continue it they are going to drop it in favor of Maz because it's not working anyway.

Agree very much. Don't trust vendor tests, but also be very wary of vendors that don't do testing. The absence of tests is a good sign that they don't care about the quality of their product.

I placed an order because I don't currently have enough supplies to complete my current research project and got a request for my medical license a few hours later. I'm going to ignore it and see what happens.

Tl;dr for anyone not interested in reading it: In terms of efficacy for weight loss we typically rank the current GLP1s as follows Reta>Maz>Tirz>Sema. While that's generally accurate, most people are taking very low doses of Maz, so low that we can safety increases them over 100% (6mg up to a...

Nevermind I just realized we get better prices in the grey market 😳

Just curious. Has anyone without a medical license tried buying the Vitamin K ampules?

Hi, I recently completed a deep dive into Mazdutide and thought I would share my finding in the form of a short paper. It's not peer reviewed (obviously), so I would love to have your thoughts https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YbQce6VDrJrQCQuEv4JmiSoVCvI1sKIj/view?usp=drivesdk

@exploitedworkerbee can you step in here?

I weigh over 100+lbs more now than I did in my twenties due to health issues and this aspect of being thin was horrible. I was getting this harassment from women too, and men would flirt with me in front of their wives. It was very lonely and often really humiliating to be more attractive.

Yeah. I really think it's a matter of time until something happens. I give it 6 months max. Too many new people who lack common sense, and there are plenty of folks in media and government interested in blasting their stories.

Hidden Dangers: Recognizing Excipients as Potential Causes of Drug and Vaccine Hypersensitivity Reactions https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8355062/ "Common excipients implicated include gelatin, carboxymethylcellulose (CMC), polyethylene glycols (PEG) and products related to PEG in...

It's definitely the filler. I'm just not sure if we will be able to figure it out, and I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I did do some research on excipients (fillers) and found this table in a research paper. I don't know a ton about the properties of these substances but if freezing causes...

You're right. Looks like they requested a temporary restraining order on Tuesday.