8 Week Ipa/Tesa Stack Bloodwork

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Will have to wait for the DEXA in a few weeks to see what, if any, impact it had on visceral fat and muscle growth, but:

.300mgish of ipa, 2mg of tesa nightly after 2+ hours of fasting, 5 days on, 2 days off.

Glucose increased from 92 to 105 (Slightly out of range)
Insulin increased from to 46.2 from 22.4 (Moderately out of range)
HbA1c dropped from 5.2 to 5 (Optimal range)
IGF-1 increased to 351 (Teen/Early 20s range)


Insulin levels are probably the most interesting here - most indications are that when IGF-1/GH levels drop, insulin resistance drops pretty quickly as well, which underscores why a lot of recommendations around this are to cycle off rather than being on it indefinitely. I've got one week left for this kit, so I'll do the full 10 weeks and then take some time off and see how all of those levels fare. In theory that insulin level would be beneficial for muscle growth, but not something I would want to risk long term.

I've got some HGH so I might see how I respond to it at 2IU and 4IU a day, with the same 5 days on 2 days off I did with ipa/tesa.

 

[G Vice]

Looking forward to your future test results and experiences.
Will try tesa-ipa for the first time in a month or so when my kit arrives. Looking for a little bump in GH and TEST, while not throwing my otherwise-good bloodwork out of whack.

 

[cta7978]

I'm 54M, did ipa-cjc for 8 weeks (only mornings), jumped my IGF-1 from ~125 to ~150. A few months later did Chinese HGH 1.5 IUs three times a week (for 2 weeks) and bumped my IGF-1 up to 205.

I'm old, so maybe my pituitary doesn't work anymore. Sticking with the HGH.

 

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Looking forward to your future test results and experiences.
Will try tesa-ipa for the first time in a month or so when my kit arrives. Looking for a little bump in GH and TEST, while not throwing my otherwise-good bloodwork out of whack.

Not sure if it will bump test any, but I'm on TRT, sitting around mid 700s total, 25 free.

 

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I'm 54M, did ipa-cjc for 8 weeks (only mornings), jumped my IGF-1 from ~125 to ~150. A few months later did Chinese HGH 1.5 IUs three times a week (for 2 weeks) and bumped my IGF-1 up to 205.

I'm old, so maybe my pituitary doesn't work anymore. Sticking with the HGH.

Yeah, I've got some ipa/cjc, but haven't tried them yet. I'm in my mid/late 30s, so I guess I've got a bit of an age advantage! Or perhaps tesa is more impactful than cjc?

205 from 1.5IUs 3 times a week seems pretty solid, though!

 

[cta7978]

Yeah, I've got some ipa/cjc, but haven't tried them yet. I'm in my mid/late 30s, so I guess I've got a bit of an age advantage! Or perhaps tesa is more impactful than cjc?

205 from 1.5IUs 3 times a week seems pretty solid, though!

Yeah, I wondering if I have a GH deficiency, such a low amount was so effective. Fixed my t4 to t3 conversion issues as well, had to halve my T4 supplementation. Tempted to go to an endocrinologist.. but review of insurance coverage doesn't support GH prescriptions, so I guess I will just be stealthy and keep truckin' by myself.

 

[G Vice]

Not sure if it will bump test any, but I'm on TRT, sitting around mid 700s total, 25 free.

"sitting around mid 700s total, 25 free."

Good numbers.

I'm at 259 total and 12.0 free. LH and FSH in normal range. Trying the non-TRT options first.

 

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"sitting around mid 700s total, 25 free."

Good numbers.

I'm at 259 total and 12.0 free. LH and FSH in normal range. Trying the non-TRT options first.

Yeah, I was below 200 on multiple tests before TRT. It's been a huge QOL improvement going on it.

 

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Gained roughly 5lb of LBM (specifically went in less hydrated than my first dexa on purpose so hopefully that's mostly muscle) and lost over 3.5lb of visceral fat based on the dexa. They have some margin of error.

I was on reta and TRT during this period, so both of those would likely impact the visceral fat, and trt the muscle gain. I lift 5 days a week and also lost more than 30lb over that period in general.

 

[DaddyBigRig]

What are you measuring here? Tesa/Ipa are the weakest compounds in your stack.

 

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What are you measuring here? Tesa/Ipa are the weakest compounds in your stack.

Do you mean in the blood markers or the dexa?

For the blood markers, most of those shouldn't be particularly impacted by TRT at all, outside of body composition change's impacts. IGF-1 definitely doesn't get up into the 350+ range from TRT, and many people see zero impact to it at all.

For the dexa, I am getting them regularly anyway, and tesa in particular is supposed to show marked reductions in visceral fat, at least in HIV patients. Obviously, reta does a lot there as well. Just providing a general data point - and I'd be curious if people on just reta saw similar VAT reduction at similar amounts of weight loss, etc.