ACE-031 & Myostatin Inhibitors

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I haven’t seen any posts related to Myostatin inhibitors on here. I assume most folks who care about muscle hypertrophy are on HMB or something like that. The trials for Trevagrumab and Garetosmab are in Phase 2b which is usually the point where we start seeing lyophilized vials pop up on the black and then grey market.

Anybody know which door we gotta knock on around here? Considering we have sources for oils, I would assume a peptide that blocks Activin A and ActRII would be extremely popular.
 
Both Trevagrumab and Garetosmab are monoclonal antibodies, bit harder to make than peptides. I have not seen any antibody based therapies available from anywhere apart from the pharmaceutical companies. I have seen myostatin - GDF-8 for sale but I am not sure what the market is for a muscle growth inhibitor.
 
Both Trevagrumab and Garetosmab are monoclonal antibodies, bit harder to make than peptides. I have not seen any antibody based therapies available from anywhere apart from the pharmaceutical companies. I have seen myostatin - GDF-8 for sale but I am not sure what the market is for a muscle growth inhibitor.
ACE-031 does the opposite of inhibiting muscle growth, hence why bodybuilders are taking it with GLP’s. It also helps to gain muscle without the side effects of SARMS and various PED’s.

I’m aware Trevagrumab and Garetosmab are pharmaceuticals, they’re probably not going to be released for 2-3 more years at the earliest and mostly likely for muscular dystrophy and related disorders.

I’m positive ACE-031 is available, I just know how expensive it is and was curious if anybody has found a good source that’s reasonably priced.
 
Trevagrumab and Garetosmabneed need to produced in custom, genetically engineered hamster cells, which could be done in China, but whether the cost and complexity is worth it for the grey market is another story. I suspect one of the reasons monoclonal antibodies are much more popular than peptides in research these days is how easy peptides are to make.
The ACE-031 trials did not go very well, it was tested in humans, but was stopped due to safety concerns, As far as I know it has been abandoned as a drug development target since. It had significant off target effects. Unlike a lot of the popular peptides that have never been tested in humans, this one has and was found to be unsafe. Quoting from my writeup of it which I would have copied from somewhere.
"Non–muscle-related adverse events contributed to the decision to discontinue the study The study was stopped after the second dosing regimen due to potential safety concerns of epistaxis and telangiectasias
ACE-031, a soluble ACVR2B receptor designed by Acceleron Pharma for the treatment of DMD, was prematurely terminated due to severe adverse effects including nosebleed, gum bleeding, telangiectasia, and erythema attributed to cross-inhibition of BMP9 and BMP10, ligands involved in endothelial cell function [50]. In addition, a 43% decrease in serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), whose synthesis is stimulated by activins, was observed in healthy, postmenopausal women who received a single dose (3 mg/kg) of ACE-031, which caused a near-maximal suppression of activin signaling"
 
Trevagrumab and Garetosmabneed need to produced in custom, genetically engineered hamster cells, which could be done in China, but whether the cost and complexity is worth it for the grey market is another story. I suspect one of the reasons monoclonal antibodies are much more popular than peptides in research these days is how easy peptides are to make.
The ACE-031 trials did not go very well, it was tested in humans, but was stopped due to safety concerns, As far as I know it has been abandoned as a drug development target since. It had significant off target effects. Unlike a lot of the popular peptides that have never been tested in humans, this one has and was found to be unsafe. Quoting from my writeup of it which I would have copied from somewhere.
"Non–muscle-related adverse events contributed to the decision to discontinue the study The study was stopped after the second dosing regimen due to potential safety concerns of epistaxis and telangiectasias
ACE-031, a soluble ACVR2B receptor designed by Acceleron Pharma for the treatment of DMD, was prematurely terminated due to severe adverse effects including nosebleed, gum bleeding, telangiectasia, and erythema attributed to cross-inhibition of BMP9 and BMP10, ligands involved in endothelial cell function [50]. In addition, a 43% decrease in serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), whose synthesis is stimulated by activins, was observed in healthy, postmenopausal women who received a single dose (3 mg/kg) of ACE-031, which caused a near-maximal suppression of activin signaling"
Thanks for going into more detail regarding ACE-031. I’m here because I want to learn and you’re the first person who’s actually been able to explain why these haven’t flooded the market. Much appreciated!
 
I haven’t seen any posts related to Myostatin inhibitors on here. I assume most folks who care about muscle hypertrophy are on HMB or something like that. The trials for Trevagrumab and Garetosmab are in Phase 2b which is usually the point where we start seeing lyophilized vials pop up on the black and then grey market.

Anybody know which door we gotta knock on around here? Considering we have sources for oils, I would assume a peptide that blocks Activin A and ActRII would be extremely popular.
Follistatin is the closest I’ve Seen anywhere but if it worked the cats over at MESO would be all over it. I’m skeptical.
 
Follistatin is the closest I’ve Seen anywhere but if it worked the cats over at MESO would be all over it. I’m skeptical.
Ya, I remember reading a comment there from Tracy that Follistatin is garbage. He recommended somthing else. I don't recall what.
 
Myostatin inhibitors sound great. A lot of people have seen pictures of insanely muscled cows and the ultra buffed toddler who could bench something ridiculous. ACE-031 is not the only myostatin blocker that ran into trouble or failed early tests in humans after looking very promising in rodent studies. As far as I know, there are none available that have human evidence of efficacy and are safe. The drug companies are very interested in developing them so there will be more results in the future, but there is a good chance they will be monoclonal antibodies rather than peptides. I would recommend looking them up very carefully before trying them considering that more than one had unexpected adverse effects.
I am not an expert on pharmacology , having just a graduate degree in a related area, but I did spend a lot of time researching all the weird and wonderful chemicals available when I saw my first price list.
 
What are your thoughts on HMB? I hear some folks swear by it but others insist it isn’t worth the cost.
I do 3g oral daily since starting Reta. I am now down 15ish lbs and my lean mass indicator on the withings shows no muscle loss yet. I know that’s not super accurate for specific mass, but should be decent for showing trends. Idk. Best I can do is
 
I do 3g oral daily since starting Reta. I am now down 15ish lbs and my lean mass indicator on the withings shows no muscle loss yet. I know that’s not super accurate for specific mass, but should be decent for showing trends. Idk. Best I can do is
My husband is willing to start a small dose of Reta after the holidays but he’s concerned if he loses any weight it’ll result in muscle loss as well. I was more concerned about him and 3g/day is what I found would be the correct dosage for a male his size. Thanks!
 
My husband is willing to start a small dose of Reta after the holidays but he’s concerned if he loses any weight it’ll result in muscle loss as well. I was more concerned about him and 3g/day is what I found would be the correct dosage for a male his size. Thanks!
In all my research, and I've battled my SO over this for months, you lose the same amount of lean mass from glp-1 weight loss as ANY other form of weight loss. Traditional muscle sparing interventions are still the most efficient. Those are resistance training, and high protein intake (1.2-2g/kg BW 30-40g/meal) and healthy sleep. Other supplements shown to help but not as effective as those two are HMB, Creatine, BCAAs (esp. Leucine), Cal/Mag/Zinc/D/K2, and Omega-3 FA. Then you've got the GH secretagogues.

I am doing resistance, protein (high leucine), Creatine, Collagen, HMB and Omega-3 primarily. I think I'm having success.
 
This podcast with Dr. Seeds covers the idea that GLP-1s have been proven to work on the atrophy gene and on osteoblasts to help retain muscle and bone density during weight loss [25:57]. Also as a bonus for you @50ShadesGreyMarket The belief that patients will gain all the weight back is "complete bullshit" if the physician uses the treatment as a temporary opportunity to institute permanent lifestyle changes like diet and resistance training [23:46]
View: https://youtu.be/xI6Rs-LTSKc?si=WYo95lk9CAuSQ0XI
 
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I too do 3g per day of free acid HMB (so, Muscle Tech . . . if anybody knows any other supplier of FA HMB lemme know). It might be the most expensive supplement in my stack right now, including grey market stuff. I'm down about 20 lbs while taking it over 3 months or so and monthly InBody scans for me also show my LBM holding steady. I go pretty hard in the gym. Still occasionally making small strength gains (probably more body adaptation gains) but not where I was 10 years ago. 5-amino-1mq is supposed to also have some muscle sparing qualities.

Even though I've always been natty and have some pride in that I am considering trying out a low dose of Ostarine to see how it does alongside reta.
 
My husband is willing to start a small dose of Reta after the holidays but he’s concerned if he loses any weight it’ll result in muscle loss as well. I was more concerned about him and 3g/day is what I found would be the correct dosage for a male his size. Thanks!
It depends on age, activity level, testosterone levels; however, there is so much that can be done to preserve muscle. If I were starting all of this over I would have added 10-20mg Anavar daily from my first dose.
 
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