Addiction to incretin mimetics

[Glp1judd]

Comparing it to insulin truly is the most apt anyway. Everyone knows (or should know) before starting that if you stop, you're going to gain it back. It's a lifetime medication even for obesity.

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Are you addicted to a medication that's hard to get your hands on but necessary, so you stockpile the version that lasts for years just in case? I'd think if insulin was this annoying to get people would stockpile it the same way.

Of course.

But the whole premise just reeks of the “concern based judgement” that permeates this entire topic and has for generations.

Is it addiction? Is it cheating? Why can’t you have willpower? Have you tried diet and exercise? What about the shortages - do YOU really need it?

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Just more of the same nonsense.

Ppl just need to STFU and focus on themselves exclusively.

 

[noteablequotable]

These drugs are researched for treatment of drug and alcohol addiction. They definitely impact reward pathways in brain in some way. Are they replacing addiction to drugs and alcohol with addiction to incretin mimetics? There is at least a possibility they do.

Let's draw some parallels to AAS world. AAS users are claiming they are improving their health and well-being, improving themselves through the calculated and planned use of PEDs. And yet AAS abuse is widely recognized as an addiction. Are GLP-1s different?

What is going on in this forum?

Between this and the post asking if we might be legal accomplices to import related crimes I am getting very bad vibes.

 

[chmuse]

Of course.

But the whole premise just reeks of the “concern based judgement” that permeates this entire topic and has for generations.

Is it addiction? Is it cheating? Why can’t you have willpower? Have you tried diet and exercise? What about the shortages - do YOU really need it?

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Just more of the same nonsense.

Ppl just need to STFU and focus on themselves exclusively.

No no, agreed to all of the above, that's my point.

It's literally ignoring the studies and medical advice to make a moral judgement on what is, in the end, a MEDICATION. If you took it until underweight and couldn't stop, that's one thing. That would be more comparable to the opioid analogy. This is more akin to needing insulin if you're diabetic or antipsychotics if you're bipolar. (And I have a feeling these glp-1's will eventually be a common thing to prescribe along antipsychotics and antidepressants anyway, it's already considered common practice to give metformin with them to avoid metabolic syndrome.)

Edited to be less aggressive.

 

[chmuse]

What is going on in this forum?

Between this and the post asking if we might be legal accomplices to import related crimes I am getting very bad vibes.

And the request to privatize the forum

For people using grey ourselves, some of us really want to scare everyone else away.

 

[normal]

I mean I feel like a vast majority in here aren't being judgemental, and some members are going to be that way, regardless of subject.

I do think it's an interesting discussion to have, you can just not take personal offense to the discussion. People have made very interesting points that I've enjoyed reading. I appreciate everyone being able to be adults and have these conversations without putting our hands over our ears and yelling "LALALALA CANT HEAR YOU". Just dip from the thread if your feelings get hurt. Nobody's forcing anyone here lol

 

[GimmeABreak]

Alcohol, hard drugs, junk food, fitness, chocolate, coffee, shopping, hummel figurines, peps, we are all addicted to something. The question is it a healthy or unhealthy addiction. I think peps are a healthy addiction for most but someone with an eating disorder, maybe not.

In my opinion, an addiction is only a problem if it creates problems for you.

 

[clayd]

What is going on in this forum?

Between this and the post asking if we might be legal accomplices to import related crimes I am getting very bad vibes.

Completely unhinged weekend on here
Excellent free entertainment

 

[GimmeABreak]

What is going on in this forum?

Between this and the post asking if we might be legal accomplices to import related crimes I am getting very bad vibes.

While I don't agree with how the discussion started with the OP, I actually found the conspiracy/legal compliance thread interesting, entertaining and informing. We basically got a great legal interpretation of the issue from several of our resident attorney's for free.

 

[hexagonal]

I see. You have an addictive personality and you are attempting to justify your actions.

I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just saying that marijuana had zero impact on my future actions regarding drugs.

The fact that I can and have stopped every substance discussed here cold turkey and with zero cravings for months on end when I get busy with work, have to travel for an extended period of time, etc., from alcohol to marijuana to shrooms seems to indicate I don't have an addictive personality, but I don't really care if you believe that or not. (Unless it's the internet. I'm addicted to being terminally online. oh well.)

What I do think is marginally more important for you to understand is that the science does not back the idea that marijuana is a gateway drug.

 

[Bronco]

Are patients—facing what could be a lifetime treatment—exhibiting drug-seeking behaviors reminiscent of more notorious addictive substances?

Speaking of “drug-seeking behaviors”, by telling your Doctor about all the different peptides you’re on, could that potentially backfire with a health insurance plan and/or future life/health polices? Would a Doctor really note something like “drug-seeking behaviors” on your medical record if you were completely transparent about the laundry list of peptides you were pinning?

 

[hexagonal]

Speaking of “drug-seeking behaviors”, by telling your Doctor about all the different peptides you’re on, could that potentially backfire with a health insurance plan and/or future life/health polices? Would a Doctor really note something like “drug-seeking behaviors” on your medical record if you were completely transparent about the laundry list of peptides you were pinning?

On the health insurance side of things, https://glp1forum.com/threads/i-lied-to-my-cardiologist-about-being-on-tirz.2093/#post-32753 and the follow up are from someone who has knowledge in the field and says that the ACA prevents them from denying you coverage in this sort of situation.

But what goes on your charts is subjective to your health providers. I've had my marijuana usage on my charts for two decades now and have still been prescribed strong painkillers for situations where it was standard, e.g. wisdom teeth being removed, some injuries - no issues. But some people have horror stories about being denied painkillers because of it by more judgmental doctors.

I think you're even less likely to get drug seeking behavior noted for something like peptides or AAS, but there's nothing to stop a doc who has a crusade in mind putting it down.

 

[chmuse]

On the health insurance side of things, https://glp1forum.com/threads/i-lied-to-my-cardiologist-about-being-on-tirz.2093/#post-32753 and the follow up are from someone who has knowledge in the field and says that the ACA prevents them from denying you coverage in this sort of situation.

But what goes on your charts is subjective to your health providers. I've had my marijuana usage on my charts for two decades now and have still been prescribed strong painkillers for situations where it was standard, e.g. wisdom teeth being removed, some injuries - no issues. But some people have horror stories about being denied painkillers because of it by more judgmental doctors.

I think you're even less likely to get drug seeking behavior noted for something like peptides or AAS, but there's nothing to stop a doc who has a crusade in mind putting it down.

You can get labelled a drug seeker for requesting Adderall as someone with ADHD. Doctors are just people in the end, with their own biases.

 

[clayd]

You can get labelled a drug seeker for requesting Adderall as someone with ADHD. Doctors are just people in the end, with their own biases.

Weird that insurance companies blindly trust doctor's decisions on this stuff while questioning and denying claim after claim for legitimate healthcare needs

 

[chmuse]

Weird that insurance companies blindly trust doctor's decisions on this stuff while questioning and denying claim after claim for legitimate healthcare needs

I don't know if that has anything to do with the insurance side, but it colors the perception of every doctor who sees your chart afterwards.

 

[cldfront]

FWIW, I don't believe myself to be an addict, I do believe that the continued development of these types of therapies means that I won't be on Tirz for the rest of my life, I do think grey is safe if I use testing and filtering, I don't believe I am putting myself in criminal risk by purchasing grey, and I do kinda like to read all the drama. Carry on. The only thing I can't quite wrap my brain around (still, after 4+ months) is that I will reach my goal weight. And yet, I keep marching toward it. I'm practically giddy with joy when I stop to ponder the situation. This stuff is FABULOUS and I am SO optimistic about my future. Permission to be happy and expect good things, granted!

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Funny, whenever after some surgery I tell doctors I have a history of addiction so avoid narcotic painkillers they seem extra eager to give me a script “just in case.”