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who has tried it. I'm more concerned about my hair line than my skin so i'm going to switch. it'd be nice if it didn't sting as much as GHK
 
I'm also curious about it, but hesitant about adding yet more VEGF-promoting compounds. Risks increasing cancer growth rates/metastasization.
 
give me hair or give me death!

and i'm going to spend a shitload of money on peps that have anti cancer properties to counteract the ones that encourage it. someone turned me on to IP6 as well. exercise and losing weight reduces cancer risk. overall I think we are reducing our chances.

please tell me you are getting stress tests and nuclear scans. there's also a cheap calcium channel scan you can buy yourself. and get one of those cheap ekg monitors. I just bought a slightly more sophisticated one the other day at CVS. It has an ankle lead in addition to the finger pads.
 
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raw_oyster_eater said:
give me hair or give me death!

and i'm going to spend a shitload of money on peps that have anti cancer properties to counteract the ones that encourage it. someone turned me on to IP6 as well. exercise and losing weight reduces cancer risk. overall I think we are reducing our chances.
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Which ones are those?

FWIW, I used it topically and saw some improvement in hair density after a few weeks.
 
YoYoFat said:
Which ones are those?

FWIW, I used it topically and saw some improvement in hair density after a few weeks.
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yea, I'm going to get the cosmetic version as well, maybe try direct application of dutasteride.

I have great hair but want to keep it that way.
 
raw_oyster_eater said:
yea, I'm going to get the cosmetic version as well, maybe try direct application of dutasteride.

I have great hair but want to keep it that way.
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I do too. I’m vain and noticed more fall out when brushing and kinda panicked. I’m doing all the things. Biotin helps too.
 
dgoldrich said:
I miss him too...his posts were always entertaining. Do you think he will be able to come back one day? Or should we put him in the category with Tracy?
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My understanding is that he has been banned. I am not privy to the reason.
 
dgoldrich said:
I miss him too...his posts were always entertaining. Do you think he will be able to come back one day? Or should we put him in the category with Tracy?
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He's alive and well! Getting closer to goal he seems to be focusing on targeting areas and hair retention.
 
FlowerFairy said:
You could try adding a few units of lidocaine..
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I saw some very scary warnings about lidocaine, I was wondering why people werent using it, now I cant remember exactly what could happen. Was it something about traveling to your heart and messing with it? or system toxicity?
 
desinr-gal said:
I saw some very scary warnings about lidocaine, I was wondering why people werent using it, now I cant remember exactly what could happen. Was it something about traveling to your heart and messing with it? or system toxicity?
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I could see that happening if you were using large amounts, but a half a cc in 3 mls isn’t going to affect you systemically. If it did, lidocaine patches wouldn’t be OTC.
 
hexagonal said:
I'm also curious about it, but hesitant about adding yet more VEGF-promoting compounds. Risks increasing cancer growth rates/metastasization.
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You ever read about Ed Currie, creator of the Carolina reaper and 7x cancer survivor?

If you are worried about cancer, I suggest reading about that man’s journey to being cancer free. It’s pretty humbling what some foods can do when added to your diet.
 
Rohpic said:
You ever read about Ed Currie, creator of the Carolina reaper and 7x cancer survivor?

If you are worried about cancer, I suggest reading about that man’s journey to being cancer free. It’s pretty humbling what some foods can do when added to your diet.
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I'm a big fan of Ed and have a fridge full of Puckerbutt sauces.

I would not trust capsaicin to be a panacea for cancer.
 
hexagonal said:
I'm a big fan of Ed and have a fridge full of Puckerbutt sauces.

I would not trust capsaicin to be a panacea for cancer.
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It worked for him, but to each their own. Some trust a Dr making commission's, some trust other things. I ignored my Docs advice and relished in the look of disbelief on his face when I returned much healthier then he said I would be with the things I did instead of his advice. Sometimes it really is as simple as eating a spicy pepper a day. I will say this one last thing. My mother, father, and sister all had cancer. I eat spicy peppers daily and have not had cancer. Best of luck either way!
 
BooneDonk said:
Had cancer 7 times? That’s a lot of times cured or not.
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He had it 7x then started eating hot peppers and has not had it since. I think it’s been 10+ years now cancer free? It’s a remarkable story, really. His cancer is why we even have the Carolina reaper pepper.
 
Rohpic said:
It worked for him, but to each their own. Some trust a Dr making commission's, some trust other things. I ignored my Docs advice and relished in the look of disbelief on his face when I returned much healthier then he said I would be with the things I did instead of his advice. Sometimes it really is as simple as eating a spicy pepper a day. I will say this one last thing. My mother, father, and sister all had cancer. I eat spicy peppers daily and have not had cancer. Best of luck either way!
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How spicy do the peppers have to be?
 
desinr-gal said:
How spicy do the peppers have to be?
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If you’re trying to replicate what Ed found in his research, then at the very least a habanero tier heat (1mil scolville+) The hotter the better tho is what he believes, which is why he made the Carolina reaper at all.
 
Rohpic said:
It worked for him, but to each their own. Some trust a Dr making commission's, some trust other things. I ignored my Docs advice and relished in the look of disbelief on his face when I returned much healthier then he said I would be with the things I did instead of his advice. Sometimes it really is as simple as eating a spicy pepper a day. I will say this one last thing. My mother, father, and sister all had cancer. I eat spicy peppers daily and have not had cancer. Best of luck either way!
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I hope you remain cancer free.

But science is driven forward by thorough research where variables are controlled for and sample sizes are large enough for us to determine the effect. Anecdotes by individuals aren't data.

Capsaicin does show some anti-cancer properties! In vitro. We don't know how much, if at all, it impacts it in humans, or if it can counterbalance the very strong effects we know that VEGF promoting compounds can have. I love spicy food, so it's easy already in my diet.

But we're talking about people's lives, so I don't think it's a good idea to suggest that an unproven method of fighting cancer is all one needs to do to make other growth-promoting compounds worry-free.
 
hexagonal said:
I hope you remain cancer free.

But science is driven forward by thorough research where variables are controlled for and sample sizes are large enough for us to determine the effect. Anecdotes by individuals aren't data.

Capsaicin does show some anti-cancer properties! In vitro. We don't know how much, if at all, it impacts it in humans, or if it can counterbalance the very strong effects we know that VEGF promoting compounds can have. I love spicy food, so it's easy already in my diet.

But we're talking about people's lives, so I don't think it's a good idea to suggest that an unproven method of fighting cancer is all one needs to do to make other growth-promoting compounds worry-free.
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There is actually mountains of research, and many proven cases of the cancer fighting properties of peppers. Saying the data is anecdotal is simply put, not true.

“Capsaicin, a compound found in chili peppers, exhibits anticancer properties by targeting multiple pathways involved in cancer cell growth and survival. Studies suggest capsaicin can induce apoptosis (programmed cell death), inhibit cancer cell growth, and interfere with processes like angiogenesis (formation of new blood vessels that tumors need to grow) and metastasis (spread of cancer to other parts of the body).

Mechanisms of Action:
  • Apoptosis Induction:
    Capsaicin can trigger apoptosis, or programmed cell death, in various cancer cell types, including pancreatic, colon, prostate, liver, and lung cancer cells. It can activate both the intrinsic (mitochondrial) and extrinsic (death receptor) pathways leading to apoptosis.

  • Cell Cycle Arrest:
    Capsaicin can halt the progression of cancer cells through the cell cycle, preventing their uncontrolled proliferation.

  • Inhibition of Signaling Pathways:
    Capsaicin has been shown to interfere with several signaling pathways crucial for cancer cell survival and growth, such as the NF-kB, STAT3, MAPK, PI3K-AKT, hedgehog, and β-catenin pathways.

  • Angiogenesis Inhibition:
    By targeting pathways involved in blood vessel formation, capsaicin can hinder tumor growth by limiting their access to nutrients and oxygen.

  • Metastasis Inhibition:
    Capsaicin can also affect the processes of cancer metastasis, such as epithelial-to-mesenchymal transition (EMT), migration, and invasion, by modulating pathways like MMPs (matrix metalloproteinases).
Evidence and Studies:
  • In Vitro Studies:
    Numerous studies in cell cultures (in vitro) have demonstrated the anticancer effects of capsaicin against various cancer cell lines.

  • In Vivo Studies:
    Capsaicin has shown promising results in animal models of cancer, suggesting its potential as a chemopreventive or therapeutic agent.

  • Combination Therapies:
    Research explores the potential of using capsaicin in combination with other anticancer drugs or therapies to enhance their effectiveness.

There are mountains of studies and research. Ed Currie is simply a relatable example, which is why I used it. As I said before, do as you wish and believe as you wish. Some people like giving doctors their commission, some believe in science that isn’t profitable, but may be successful anyway.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anticancer Properties of Capsaicin Against Human Cancer - PubMed

There is persuasive epidemiological and experimental evidence that dietary phytochemicals have anticancer activity. Capsaicin is a bioactive phytochemical abundant in red and chili peppers. While the preponderance of the data strongly indicates significant anticancer benefits of capsaicin, more...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
There is not a single human study showing the efficacy as capsaicin as a cancer treatment in humans. Your own post explicitly calls this out: The only in vivo studies are in animals.

It likely has anti-cancer properties. We have no idea how strong they are, if they matter in the face of VEGF-promoting compounds, etc.

Promoting it as a way to prevent any concerns around tumor-growth promoting compounds is irresponsible.
 
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