Amazon Imitation Hospira real?

[guster]

Clear Plastic Sample Bottles, 30 mL, Made in USA, 2 Pack: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Clear Plastic Sample Bottles, 30 mL, Made in USA, 2 Pack: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

www.amazon.com

I am trying to find good bacteriostatic water that ships to the Netherlands. Are the bacteriostatic water products on Amazon reliable? Is this real hospira?

 

[randompersonrandom]

No.

 

[designing677]

No.

Was wondering the same thing. That's a shame.

 

[DrPEPr]

Are the bacteriostatic water products on Amazon reliable?

Yes.
I've tried and used many. (I'd avoid plastic bottles btw...)
example:

5 Pack 30ML: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

5 Pack 30ML: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

www.amazon.com

Is it Hospira?
No.

Does it need to be?
I mean...It's sterile water with 0.9% benzyl-alcohol... cheap to make, not worth it to fake.
(The vials are literally the most expensive part of the product)

 

[guster]

No.

Any other brand on Amazon thats good? Why is it so hard to find bac water

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Are the bacteriostatic water products on Amazon reliable?

Yes.
I've tried and used many. (I'd avoid plastic bottles btw...)

Curious what factors other than not having some kind of adverse reaction you are basing your determination of reliability on?

I mean...It's sterile water with 0.9% benzyl-alcohol... cheap to make, not worth it to fake.
(The vials are literally the most expensive part of the product)

But is it?

The vast majority of independent tests of Amazon waters have demonstrated time and again that most are not actually sterile water with benzyl alcohol and in fact a lack of both sterility and benzyl alcohol is more common than not.



Yummy.

"I've used Amazon waters and haven't had any negative effects" is a common argument, and quite silly. Of course an important facet those people fail to mention is whether or not their peptides have suffered any negative effects like lowered efficacy all the way to complete destruction. The human immune system is quite amazing and can often mask the negative effects of moldy or unsterile substances, and while the whole "peptides are delicate" fear is over-blown, the possibility of damaging peptides with contaminated water is often ignored.

I get that genuine Pfizer/Hospira BAC water can be difficult to get outside of north America and that Amazon may be the only choice, but suggesting that it's as good (or better because it's not in a plastic vial?) is a stretch and a disservice to the uninformed.

I always go back to the simple analogy of buying a Ferarri for 10% of the retail price and proceeding to fill it with the cheapest 85 octane fuel available and proclaiming that everything is fine, blind to the knowledge that if the car even runs it may only last a fraction of the time it would on premium fuel before it blows up, and even if/when it runs it's only performing at 30% of its potential.

 

[Grogu]

Any other brand on Amazon thats good? Why is it so hard to find bac water

Any reason it must be Amazon? I don't think that reliable bac is that hard to find.

I purchase bac water from Peptide test. I also read that Underground Supply is reputable. The StG website has a list of vendors for supplies.

 

[DrPEPr]

It is true that a lot of Amazon's BAC water is not sterile, but that's not an issue for me.
The moment you puncture the vial it's not sterile anymore and unless you buy small vials of BAC that only see one use, chances are you'll puncture the vial multiple times; introducing contamination.
Even 'real' BAC will eventually grow bacteria (hence the 28 day rule) so using a multi-dose vial is a bit dodgy on its own.

As for the alcohol. I can simply smell it (probably taste it too... never tried 🙂). Spray some BAC with a syringe on a sheet of paper and it gives a subtle but distinct smell.

I'm not going to send BAC to Jano, but I do have access to a lab where I can possibly reproduce the growth of bacteria in the BAC that I use from Amazon.
Will see what I can do and post the results accordingly.

"I've used Amazon waters and haven't had any negative effects"

Not very scientific, I know... but for more then 2 years now this is the case.
However, I must add that I always filter my peptides (and thus my water) using 0.22 micron syringe filters.

 

[Habibibi]

It is true that a lot of Amazon's BAC water is not sterile, but that's not an issue for me.
The moment you puncture the vial it's not sterile anymore and unless you buy small vials of BAC that only see one use, chances are you'll puncture the vial multiple times; introducing contamination.
Even 'real' BAC will eventually grow bacteria (hence the 28 day rule) so using a multi-dose vial is a bit dodgy on its own.

As for the alcohol. I can simply smell it (probably taste it too... never tried 🙂). Spray some BAC with a syringe on a sheet of paper and it gives a subtle but distinct smell.

I'm not going to send BAC to Jano, but I do have access to a lab where I can possibly reproduce the growth of bacteria in the BAC that I use from Amazon.
Will see what I can do and post the results accordingly.


Not very scientific, I know... but for more then 2 years now this is the case.
However, I must add that I always filter my peptides (and thus my water) using 0.22 micron syringe filters.

Weird argument that because the vial ends up being contaminated anyway , it's OK to use contaminated reconstituted water on a vial. Anyway, everyone has their risk tolerance.

 

[DjJoshua]

Clear Plastic Sample Bottles, 30 mL, Made in USA, 2 Pack: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Clear Plastic Sample Bottles, 30 mL, Made in USA, 2 Pack: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

www.amazon.com

I am trying to find good bacteriostatic water that ships to the Netherlands. Are the bacteriostatic water products on Amazon reliable? Is this real hospira?

So far i'm not dead but I have been using this. AND I FILTER EVERYTHING

Amazon.com: BAC Water 30mL (2 Pack) – 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol Reconstitution Solution – Research Use Only – Made in Draper, Utah, USA – Peptide Restore : Industrial & Scientific

Amazon.com: BAC Water 30mL (2 Pack) – 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol Reconstitution Solution – Research Use Only – Made in Draper, Utah, USA – Peptide Restore : Industrial & Scientific

www.amazon.com

 

[Calm Logic]

So far i'm not dead but I have been using this. AND I FILTER EVERYTHING

Amazon.com: BAC Water 30mL (2 Pack) – 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol Reconstitution Solution – Research Use Only – Made in Draper, Utah, USA – Peptide Restore : Industrial & Scientific

Amazon.com: BAC Water 30mL (2 Pack) – 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol Reconstitution Solution – Research Use Only – Made in Draper, Utah, USA – Peptide Restore : Industrial & Scientific

www.amazon.com

You can filter out bacteria but not endotoxins. And the benzyl alcohol content is not guaranteed without testing.

 

[DrPEPr]

Ok guys (gals) I've given your reactions some thought.
And you're absolutely right. It's not worth it to gamble with your health to save a few bucks
and having had no side effects doesn't mean it's good.

Sorry for giving such terrible advice. /meaculpa>

With that out of the way...
Finished my last vial of 'bunk bac' this morning (so there is still a slight chance that I may die 🙃) I'm willing to change my ways for the better.

A quick google search gave me this.
Looks good right?


(fun fact.. it is sold via Amazon 😀)

 

[cat_walk]

Honestly, I don’t understand the trust placed in BAC waters that are essentially unidentified products with a nice/professional looking label.

The fact that they’re cheap to make, doesn’t make the manufacturer reliable or the product safe. In my opinion it is exactly the contrary!

I'd personally prefer pharmacy-grade sterile water, with proper handling and filtration, rather than relying on unverifiable BAC water (since real Hospira is pretty much impossible to source here in Europe).

 

[catrix]

Ok guys (gals) I've given your reactions some thought.
And you're absolutely right. It's not worth it to gamble with your health to save a few bucks
and having had no side effects doesn't mean it's good.

Sorry for giving such terrible advice. /meaculpa>

With that out of the way...
Finished my last vial of 'bunk bac' this morning (so there is still a slight chance that I may die 🙃) I'm willing to change my ways for the better.

A quick google search gave me this.
Looks good right?


(fun fact.. it is sold via Amazon 😀)

Just get Herbilabs, its from the EU and COA tested. its also on Amazon but expensive on the NL Site.

 

[DrPEPr]

Honestly, I don’t understand the trust placed in BAC waters that are essentially unidentified products with a nice/professional looking label.

The fact that they’re cheap to make, doesn’t make the manufacturer reliable or the product safe. In my opinion it is exactly the contrary!

I'd personally prefer pharmacy-grade sterile water, with proper handling and filtration, rather than relying on unverifiable BAC water (since real Hospira is pretty much impossible to source here in Europe).

The problem with sterile water is that you can't store your reconstituted peptides (i.e. it's single and direct use only). You need the benzyl alcohol for that.
This is just not practical.
I'm not injecting 50 or 100mg GHK-Cu 🤢

 

[DrPEPr]

Just get Herbilabs, its from the EU and COA tested. its also on Amazon but expensive on the NL Site.

Noted. But I'll try the NordChem first.
Seems like a reputable company (UK based).

 

[cat_walk]

The problem with sterile water is that you can't store your reconstituted peptides (i.e. it's single and direct use only). You need the benzyl alcohol for that.
This is just not practical.
I'm not injecting 50 or 100mg GHK-Cu 🤢

So you prefer the risk of non-sterile, non-bacteriostatic stuff instead?

I am 100% convinced that the golden rule is (real) pharmacy grade BAC (ie Hospira) + filtration. But if that is not available, what is your advice?

 

[DrPEPr]

So you prefer the risk of non-sterile, non-bacteriostatic stuff instead?

I am 100% convinced that the golden rule is (real) pharmacy grade BAC (ie Hospira) + filtration. But if that is not available, what is your advice?

No, I meant that regular 'non-bac' sterile water won't cut it.
I can obtain pharma grade sterile water and NaCl solution without any problem, but these don't have benzyl alcohol.

 

[catrix]

Noted. But I'll try the NordChem first.
Seems like a reputable company (UK based).

This seems suspicious. There’s a UK NordChem, but the logo is completely different, and Google reverse image search gives me no useful results. Could be a rebranded Chinese product 😵

 

[DrPEPr]

This seems suspicious. There’s a UK NordChem, but the logo is completely different, and Google reverse image search gives me no useful results. Could be a rebranded Chinese product 😵

Good catch. I'll email the real NordChem to see if this is their product.

 

[Chili777]

I did a search for the best rated non-Hospira BAC and found this: https://top5best.com/bac-water FWIW. I don't know what facial cleanser is doing there, but the rest are BAC.

 

[cat_walk]

This seems suspicious. There’s a UK NordChem, but the logo is completely different, and Google reverse image search gives me no useful results. Could be a rebranded Chinese product 😵

Could be Is a rebranded Chinese product 😉.

There is an unsatisfied need (at least here in Europe). Chinese BAC is "a dozen a dime" (10, 15 usd x10 vials?) and sells for x50, x100 on Amazon and elsewhere. They just need to print a nice label and voilà. It is actually more profitable and less headaches than selling peptides...

 

[catrix]

I didn't search for the best rated non-Hospira BAC and found this: https://top5best.com/bac-water FWIW. I don't know what facial cleanser is doing there, but the rest are BAC.

Thats just a stupid Amazon Ref farm site... nothing with real value

 

[Chili777]

Thats just a stupid Amazon Ref farm site... nothing with real value

Probably, although I have heard that Lambda BAC is decent quality on other forums. Like I said, FWIW. For those in the EU and SEA, they may have no other choice, unless they want to make it themselves.

 

[catrix]

Probably, although I have heard that Lambda BAC is decent quality on other forums. Like I said, FWIW. For those in the EU and SEA, they may have no other choice, unless they want to make it themselves.

Well you can order Hospira from Canada worldwide... not cheap though

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection 30mL | Hospira Pfizer

Always fresh expiry dates. Authentic Hospira Pfizer Bacteriostatic Water 30mL multi-dose vial. Sterile water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol preservative for diluting, dissolving, or reconstituting medications.

www.midwiferysupplies.ca

 

[Chili777]

Well you can order Hospira from Canada worldwide... not cheap though

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection 30mL | Hospira Pfizer

Always fresh expiry dates. Authentic Hospira Pfizer Bacteriostatic Water 30mL multi-dose vial. Sterile water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol preservative for diluting, dissolving, or reconstituting medications.

www.midwiferysupplies.ca

Right, and some of the EU folks have a thread going where they are ordering from there, with varying degrees of success.

 

[FNG33]

Well you can order Hospira from Canada worldwide... not cheap though

Bacteriostatic Water for Injection 30mL | Hospira Pfizer

Always fresh expiry dates. Authentic Hospira Pfizer Bacteriostatic Water 30mL multi-dose vial. Sterile water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol preservative for diluting, dissolving, or reconstituting medications.

www.midwiferysupplies.ca

4.5 euro a bottle if you order a case. How is that not cheap in today's market?

 

[cat_walk]

Probably, although I have heard that Lambda BAC is decent quality on other forums. Like I said, FWIW. For those in the EU and SEA, they may have no other choice, unless they want to make it themselves.

I decided to make my own indeed.

Finding benzyl alcohol was actually the hardest part, as most producers or sellers refuse to sell to private individuals in France. I was told they only work with schools or institutions, and that the issue was not minimum order quantities.

I eventually found an EU-based chemical supplier and was able to obtain 1 liter of 99.9% benzyl alcohol (around 35-50 euro). Enough for 1000 years of peptide experiments 😁.

I then bought medical-grade sterile injection water (like in the picture sold in pharmacies, cheap around 10-15 euro x10 vials) and dosed the alcohol using an insulin pen, pre-filling a 3 ml cartridge with the benzyl alcohol. With a 10 ml vial of sterile water, I only had to add 9 clicks to reach the correct concentration (0.9%).

Of course, it’s a bit of a hassle and there’s some waste, since I discard the BAC water produced this way after each reconstitution. But at least I’m fully in control of what I’m actually using for my experiments and I am sure the BAC is "fresh".

So far so good. I am still alive 😎, the reconstitution with tirze, reta and klow worked smoothly.

 

[catrix]

4.5 euro a bottle if you order a case. How is that not cheap in today's market?

+ 55$ Shipping and the risk of the EU customs which can be a complete lost

 

[cat_walk]

+ 55$ Shipping and the risk of the EU customs which can be a complete lost

And 6 weeks delay pending availability...