AmoPure Testing Poll - AmoPure Testing Group

[Cndmk]

So I'm going to give the 2 possibilities of these cost groups, then I'm going to run 2 different polls about what we want to do over the next day in terms of:
- Choice about which people want to do (There will be a "I don't want either" option, you can hate both choices, and we can talk to PepTide-Test again.)
- Choice about if people want sterility on both groups or 1 group (both groups will share cost regardless to make it simpler, and because vial counts are almost the same).

Talking with PepTide-Test, I wanted an option for many people to get their vials tested for a reduced price, this comes with some caveats as their policy is that they only put 3 tests per COA.

Option 1:
- 3 vials of test per each group (randomly chosen by Pep-Tide Test), with the rest of the vials going to sterility (sterility is tested on both groups).

Option 2:
- This is a unique possibility I asked if they could do, is make recombinant vials (3 vials of product per "recombinant", to get an aggregate test of each set of vials). This would allow us to get 9 vials/test COA essentially. We can tailor the recombinants however we want, but there is an inherent risk in this design:
- If everything tests well (I think there is a fairly high probability of this), then there is no issue.
- If a recombinant tests poorly, then traceability of the 3 vials in the recombinant will be unknown, so one would have to assume that all 3 vials in the recombinant source are "low" or non-pure.
- The benefit of this is more product will be tested for purity + dosage, but I have explained the negatives.
- The vials and people associated with them will be on the COA.
- Rest of vials would be for sterility (there wouldn't be many in this design, which i personally would be fine with, but I understand if others want more to sterility).

Both of these tests come out to approximately $77 per PARTICIPANT (regardless of vials) I'm hoping to get it reduced a little more, but there was a small $5 per person charge because PepTide-Test is going to do all the organization/collection of vials.

Hoping to have results of the polls in 48 hours (this may delay the shipping deadline).

I will review everyone's votes to make sure they are within the testing group after 2 days.

 

[nurseratchit]

So I'm going to give the 2 possibilities of these cost groups, then I'm going to run 2 different polls about what we want to do over the next day in terms of:
- Choice about which people want to do (There will be a "I don't want either" option, you can hate both choices, and we can talk to PepTide-Test again.)
- Choice about if people want sterility on both groups or 1 group (both groups will share cost regardless to make it simpler, and because vial counts are almost the same).

Talking with PepTide-Test, I wanted an option for many people to get their vials tested for a reduced price, this comes with some caveats as their policy is that they only put 3 tests per COA.

Option 1:
- 3 vials of test per each group (randomly chosen by Pep-Tide Test), with the rest of the vials going to sterility (sterility is tested on both groups).

Option 2:
- This is a unique possibility I asked if they could do, is make recombinant vials (3 vials of product per "recombinant", to get an aggregate test of each set of vials). This would allow us to get 9 vials/test COA essentially. We can tailor the recombinants however we want, but there is an inherent risk in this design:
- If everything tests well (I think there is a fairly high probability of this), then there is no issue.
- If a recombinant tests poorly, then traceability of the 3 vials in the recombinant will be unknown, so one would have to assume that all 3 vials in the recombinant source are "low" or non-pure.
- The benefit of this is more product will be tested for purity + dosage, but I have explained the negatives.
- The vials and people associated with them will be on the COA.
- Rest of vials would be for sterility (there wouldn't be many in this design, which i personally would be fine with, but I understand if others want more to sterility).

Both of these tests come out to approximately $77 per PARTICIPANT (regardless of vials) I'm hoping to get it reduced a little more, but there was a small $5 per person charge because PepTide-Test is going to do all the organization/collection of vials.

Hoping to have results of the polls in 48 hours (this may delay the shipping deadline).

I will review everyone's votes to make sure they are within the testing group after 2 days.

I think those voting for option 3 should provide examples of other options.

 

[GLP69]

Im going to vote option 3, but I mainly would be curious to see the groups opinion on final price vs number of vials for Option 1. IE I personally would be willing to pay a little more if it meant we had 6 vials done, assuming it's not double (which since the 77 already includes sterility and the 5 dollar charge , i figured it wouldn't be)

I don't really like the idea of option 2. I think it leaves too many unknowns. You could potentially have some vials in the mid 98 range, and the whole thing shows up as being over 99% because the other 2 were high 99%.

edit: also, I appreciate the work you're putting into heading this up, I swear im not purposely trying to make it more of a headache for you.

 

[iamedbile]

I think those voting for option 3 should provide examples of other options.

I voted for #3 and sent my reasoning and polite suggestion for another possible option to @Cndmk via DM.

I deeply appreciate all the work @Cndmk is putting in to this, don't want to make this any more work for them, and will be happy to arrange my testing individually if my goals and priorities are different than the group's.

 

[Cndmk]

No one should feel bad about putting any option up there. My initial goal was to get my vials tested independently, but the idea of spending $600 to get 4 vials tested kind of upset my wallet (understandably).

That's why this whole thing started, and the same reason I'm finally asking Janoshik too, if they can do independent vials for a competitive price, maybe the shipping+customs is worth it?

At this point I'm just trying to get the best combined answer.

 

[nurseratchit]

I di

I voted for #3 and sent my reasoning and polite suggestion for another possible option to @Cndmk via DM.

I deeply appreciate all the work @Cndmk is putting in to this, don't want to make this any more work for them, and will be happy to arrange my testing individually if my goals and priorities are different than the group's.

I didn’t mean it as a criticism. I am just genuinely curious as I am still new to all this.

 

[iamedbile]

I didn’t mean it as a criticism. I am just genuinely curious as I a still new to all this.

Absolutely. And I didn't take it as criticism. Apologies if it came off that way!

 

[nurseratchit]

Yes

Im going to vote option 3, but I mainly would be curious to see the groups opinion on final price vs number of vials for Option 1. IE I personally would be willing to pay a little more if it meant we had 6 vials done, assuming it's not double (which since the 77 already includes sterility and the 5 dollar charge , i figured it wouldn't be)

I don't really like the idea of option 2. I think it leaves too many unknowns. You could potentially have some vials in the mid 98 range, and the whole thing shows up as being over 99% because the other 2 were high 99%.

edit: also, I appreciate the work you're putting into heading this up, I swear im not purposely trying to make it more of a headache for you.

yes, I was hoping for more vials being tested on option one especially since some may be coming from different locales and/or batches. It seems to me that testing a higher quantity of individual vials would also show whether they are consistent or not.

 

[badjuju]

Im going to vote option 3, but I mainly would be curious to see the groups opinion on final price vs number of vials for Option 1. IE I personally would be willing to pay a little more if it meant we had 6 vials done, assuming it's not double (which since the 77 already includes sterility and the 5 dollar charge , i figured it wouldn't be)

I don't really like the idea of option 2. I think it leaves too many unknowns. You could potentially have some vials in the mid 98 range, and the whole thing shows up as being over 99% because the other 2 were high 99%.

edit: also, I appreciate the work you're putting into heading this up, I swear im not purposely trying to make it more of a headache for you.

Same. I chose #3 but I would’ve gone with #1 if we had a majority of the vials tested. I don’t mind paying more.

And @Cndmk post your Venmo so I can donate to your beer fund. Thank you for doing this.

 

[iamedbile]

No one should feel bad about putting any option up there...

Thanks @Cndmk. If you don't mind, I'll post the suggestion I DMed you here:

It sounds like peptidetest.com charges $300 for the first vial and $100 for each additional vial up to 3 vials maximum. That means a batch of 3 vials on one COA will cost $500 ($300+$100+$100).

$500 divided by three vials is about $167 per person (assuming each person submits one vial).

That's a lot more than the $77 that option #1 and option #2 cost. But it's also a lot less than the $300 it costs to get an individual vial tested, and each person would get their own purity results for their own vial.

$167 to get my own individual results feels like a good deal and a happy compromise to me.

 

[iamedbile]

Note that my suggestion above doesn't include sterility testing.

For sterility testing, could we combine all the L60 together from all the vials / all the COAs for one big sterility test? That would add about $25 if the $250 sterility test cost is shared by 10 people.

If we can, the total cost for individual purity results and shared sterility results would still be under $200 per person, which sounds great to me.

 

[nurseratchit]

Thanks @Cndmk. If you don't mind, I'll post the suggestion I DMed you here:

It sounds like peptidetest.com charges $300 for the first vial and $100 for each additional vial up to 3 vials maximum. That means a batch of 3 vials on one COA will cost $500 ($300+$100+$100).

$500 divided by three vials is about $167 per person (assuming each person submits one vial).

That's a lot more than the $77 that option #1 and option #2 cost. But it's also a lot less than the $300 it costs to get an individual vial tested, and each person would get their own purity results for their own vial.

$167 to get my own individual results feels like a good deal and a happy compromise to me.

I upvote this idea.😀

 

[Lankiegirl]

Thanks @Cndmk. If you don't mind, I'll post the suggestion I DMed you here:

It sounds like peptidetest.com charges $300 for the first vial and $100 for each additional vial up to 3 vials maximum. That means a batch of 3 vials on one COA will cost $500 ($300+$100+$100).

$500 divided by three vials is about $167 per person (assuming each person submits one vial).

That's a lot more than the $77 that option #1 and option #2 cost. But it's also a lot less than the $300 it costs to get an individual vial tested, and each person would get their own purity results for their own vial.

$167 to get my own individual results feels like a good deal and a happy compromise to me.

I am okay with this price . $167 vs 300 . And peace of mind.

 

[Cndmk]

I reached out to Janoshik, and I reached out to MZ Biolabs (another name I have heard about that seems to have some expertise in this space).

I also asked Pep-Test why they can't do more than 3 tests per COA in the discord (I will cross post when I get a response.

If the people want more options, LET THERE BE MORE OPTIONS!

 

[Cndmk]

I am okay with this price . $167 vs 300 . And peace of mind.

For the record, I made a little spreadsheet, and I calculated the cost using their traditional costing model per vial. I thought this price was very reasonable (this was also with $10 service charge per person for them handling everything).

Maybe we can reinforce the question that people really want that individualized testing metrics, and then they might reconsider or come up with a solution.

 

[iamedbile]

For the record, I made a little spreadsheet, and I calculated the cost using their traditional costing model per vial. I thought this price was very reasonable (this was also with $10 service charge per person for them handling everything).

Thanks so much for doing the math. Saving a few bucks is always nice, but given what the samples cost (and what we're saving vs compounded or name brand) I am happy to pay a little more to have individual data and more data points to share publicly.

If you do decide to discuss with peptidetest.com further I'm looking forward to hearing what you're able to come up with.

 

[Lankiegirl]

I reached out to Janoshik, and I reached out to MZ Biolabs (another name I have heard about that seems to have some expertise in this space).

I also asked Pep-Test why they can't do more than 3 tests per COA in the discord (I will cross post when I get a response.

If the people want more options, LET THERE BE MORE OPTIONS!

What about Vanguard in Olympia, WA testing? Now correct me if I am wrong . I am also new to this. Heard they are a good possibility also?

 

[MakeItaDouble]

I upvote this idea.😀

I also prefer to pay more to have my vial tested.

 

[GLP69]

@Cndmk correct me if im misunderstanding.

So, after chatting a little in discord with the Peptide Test rep, it would seem that option 1 is not quite what we thought. Both options are essentially just for testing the batch. The vials wouldn't get their own COA's. In order for individual vials to get COA's we'd have to pay the full price, though i think we can get a 14% discount with a group this large, but the way that worked seems like it might be complicated for a group buy. It's based on the amount of money submitted to a single purchasing account if I understood correctly.

 

[Cndmk]

@Cndmk correct me if im misunderstanding.

So, after chatting a little in discord with the Peptide Test rep, it would seem that option 1 is not quite what we thought. Both options are essentially just for testing the batch. The vials wouldn't get their own COA's. In order for individual vials to get COA's we'd have to pay the full price, though i think we can get a 14% discount with a group this large, but the way that worked seems like it might be complicated for a group buy. It's based on the amount of money submitted to a single purchasing account if I understood correctly.

The problem with that discount is that it exists on the concept of an account balance.

There are 2 rules that I try to follow with strangers because no offense, people are nuts:
- Don't handle other people's money
- Don't handle other people's property

I'm unsure if PepTide Test would be willing to let many people fund an account independently, but I personally am not interested in doing a collection and funding an account that way if they don't allow multiple funding sources. I also believe that me coming into contact with any of your product puts another touch point on your vials, and more touch points = more chances to tamper with.

If we were in the same neighborhood, and we met weekly or monthly or something, that would be a different story.

 

[GLP69]

The problem with that discount is that it exists on the concept of an account balance.

There are 2 rules that I try to follow with strangers because no offense, people are nuts:
- Don't handle other people's money
- Don't handle other people's property

I'm unsure if PepTide Test would be willing to let many people fund an account independently, but I personally am not interested in doing a collection and funding an account that way if they don't allow multiple funding sources. I also believe that me coming into contact with any of your product puts another touch point on your vials, and more touch points = more chances to tamper with.

If we were in the same neighborhood, and we met weekly or monthly or something, that would be a different story.

My thoughts too. After knowing what Option 1 is now, I think maybe option 2 seems better. Though I guess would we still get a quantity measurement that way?

 

[Cndmk]

Going to cross-post this on both threads so everyone can see it.

Just so everyone is aware, the point that we are working with PepTide-Test on is the concept of "Random" being an aspect of the batch variance testing.

This might come as a surprise to many of you (myself included), but when you pay X for first vial, then Y for each subsequent vial, the testing is implied to be random as to which vial is processed in whatever order, so the tests are essentially impossible to track from a nuanced "per vial" approach.

I offered for us to get a small surcharge, and I would be willing to design the organizational process + unique identifiers that we put on our vials so they could run them in order. They are going to look over the idea and get back to me.

I'll admit, this seems like a simple request, but I believe when they say that concept is industry standard, as for B2B or commercial accounts, they really would not care for multiple samples from a large batch, this is really just a residential customer issue.

 

[octoroach]

As I said in the discord, if we cannot tie each vial to an individual who sent it in, I feel I'd rather pay regular full price to know MY batch is good. We send in 9 vials or whatever as a group, have no clue whos is whos, and 1 comes back bad, we are all left in the dark and no one knows who has the bad batch...

 

[tukuutz]

As someone who voted for option #3 - just wanted to say that I fully agree with the other comments about paying more to ensure each individual vial is tested and is tied to a whoever sent it in. To be frank, if I wanted random vials tested, I’d just wait for more COAs to pop up on this forum without paying a dime.

 

[RedSkip]

If possible, can someone PM me the discord link for this testing?

 

[MakeItaDouble]

As someone who voted for option #3 - just wanted to say that I fully agree with the other comments about paying more to ensure each individual vial is tested and is tied to a whoever sent it in. To be frank, if I wanted random vials tested, I’d just wait for more COAs to pop up on this forum without paying a dime.

I tend to accept risk more readily than some people. It is probably due to being new and therefore ignorant of what the likely risks are to not testing from a vendor with good reviews on dionysys' spreadsheet where he actively seeks out experiences from others.

Your thoughts also occurred to me, but I feel I have gained soooo much from others on this forum that I was happy to be contributing to the collective experience.

 

[GLP69]

Before everyone jumps ship, lets see what Peptide Test comes up with. They're still trying to work through it with us.

 

[sprockleberry]

I don't like option 1. Maybe option 2 but I had assumed each person's vials would all be tested. Could we all maybe buddy up and do that 3 for reduced price option someone else mentioned?

 

[Broken Chef]

I tend to accept risk more readily than some people. It is probably DEFINITELY due to being new and therefore ignorant of what the likely risks are to not testing from a vendor with good reviews on dionysys' spreadsheet where he actively seeks out experiences from others.

I edited your comment for you, lol

You accept risk more readily, because you haven't been burned, YET! Though you could be one of those lucky people - my complete opposite. If you look long enough, and in the right places, you'll see quite a few issues reported.

Here's the thing - even the very best vendors have issues from time to time. Some of the top vendors on Dionysos's list had issues in the past, including Amo. Pretty sure he stated somewhere those lists aren't carved in stone. It would only take a few issues for any of the top vendors to lose their "top" status... A batch test of 20+ vials coming back with problems, for example. I could be wrong, but I don't think his intent is for people to rely so strongly on the spreadsheets. They are merely a way to help newcomers separate the good from the bad, a starting point to help mitigate risk, but with ZERO guarantees. Not a substitution for due diligence and personal research/testing. His China vendor sheet is pretty new - well, even the domestic vendor sheet is relatively new (3-4 months). @dionysos might want to comment on this...

I'm a bit surprised Amo didn't have more issues, seeing how they just recently started vacuum sealing vials...

Unfortunately PVKH got nuked, so a lot of info has been lost. I'm not in the testing server (last I knew, dionysos isn't either), so I/we have no idea what might be showing in recent tests. They do release some of the testing info after 30 days, but there's still that 30 days, as well as the time it takes to round up volunteers, send in vials, and get results back.. before most of us know about any issues.... So it's possible to learn today, that there were issues 2+ months ago with a vendor that no one was aware of. Plenty of time for someone to come in here, see the spreadsheet, order, receive, and use peptides while being completely unaware there are issues... Not likely anything serious, but due to the nature of use, a serious issue could have catastrophic consequences. There are probably a lot more people following this batch testing than we are aware of!

While I wouldn't hesitate to rely on his domestic vendor sheet, a bit more caution is warranted with the Chinese vendors.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Invites to PTDS are currently on pause again, but once they're reopened there are a handful of requests pending that I'll be offering invites.

I'm somewhat reluctantly allowing @Cndmk to do some test recruiting here to see how it goes because ultimately convenient access to testing is crucial to our health and safety along with the success of this hobby as a whole, but I also have seen first-hand some of the pitfalls surrounding crowdfunded testing and am not sure how to best handle that here going forward.

 

[Broken Chef]

Invites to PTDS are currently on pause again, but once they're reopened there are a handful of requests pending that I'll be offering invites.

I'm somewhat reluctantly allowing @Cndmk to do some test recruiting here to see how it goes because ultimately convenient access to testing is crucial to our health and safety along with the success of this hobby as a whole, but I also have seen first-hand some of the pitfalls surrounding crowdfunded testing and am not sure how to best handle that here going forward.

He does seem to be handling it with professionalism and extreme caution as to avoid potential issues. I do hope it works out and a protocol can be established to allow more of this in the future.

 

[zpped]

Unfortunately PVKH got nuked, so a lot of info has been lost. I'm not in the testing server (last I knew, dionysos isn't either), so I/we have no idea what might be showing in recent tests. They do release some of the testing info after 30 days, but there's still that 30 days, as well as the time it takes to round up volunteers, send in vials, and get results back.. before most of us know about any issues.... So it's possible to learn today, that there were issues 2+ months ago with a vendor that no one was aware of. Plenty of time for someone to come in here, see the spreadsheet, order, receive, and use peptides while being completely unaware there are issues... Not likely anything serious, but due to the nature of use, a serious issue could have catastrophic consequences. There are probably a lot more people following this batch testing than we are aware of!

While I wouldn't hesitate to rely on his domestic vendor sheet, a bit more caution is warranted with the Chinese vendors.

Not to mention, it takes a long time for any individual to gain full access to even that older data.

 

[Cndmk]

Just a follow-up, since the clear majority of people weren't satisfied with the current 2 options, I am hoping the new concept will make everyone happy. We have been discussing this with some other members from the forum with Q&A's on the (now properly restricted to members, and seems to be under control discord).

I'll ask for an invite notification from PepTide-Test again if anyone wants a further invite (ONLY MEMBERS WHO WE GOT RESPONSES FROM ABOUT JOINING THE TEST ARE GETTING A LINK). I wanted most of this communication to be in discord at the request of Zippity, but we all saw what happened once the whole thing got started, such is life.

Peptide-Test agreed to give us the normal bulk discount, and is allowing us to have a trackable inventory system for the vials. EVERYBODY GETS TRACEABLE VIAL PURITY/DOSAGE OF YOUR VIALS FOR TESTING.

The cost including sterility for both groups, all vials with match-ups and everything, will be $166/participant. If you want to see the math on this, PepTide-Test broke down all the costs in discord (I don't want to share pricing design on this forum).

I understand that might be higher than some were expecting, but that is still decently cheaper than getting tests on your own.

The vials for sterility cannot be the same vials used in the testing. I have committed 1 of my 4 vials for sterility, and we have 1 other vial currently for the 60 mg group, and 2 vials for the 30mg group. Sterility vials are entirely optional to donate, and do not add any cost to the order.

I will be DM'ing all participants with the link to a spreadsheet for vial designations you will need to make before shipping so we can track them through the process, and also payment information (not to me, to PepTide-Test). I think a reasonable timeframe for payment should be 72 hours, and if you are uninterested at this price point, I completely understand, just let me know and I'll let PepTide-Test know.

Please do not share any of these links

After 72 hours have passed (72 hours starts at midnight tonight EST), we will set up a timeframe for shipping, I'll DM shipping address (pretty sure that's just on peptide-Test's website), and we can wait for the "magic" to happen so to speak.

I want to thank Zippity for this opportunity again, I tried to be as accommodating as I could with discord and what not, but inexperience kicks my organizational skills' butt sometimes. Unfortunately I had to set up 2 threads for polling, as I can't change polls one a thread once they are opened.

 

[RedSkip]

Just a follow-up, since the clear majority of people weren't satisfied with the current 2 options, I am hoping the new concept will make everyone happy. We have been discussing this with some other members from the forum with Q&A's on the (now properly restricted to members, and seems to be under control discord).

I'll ask for an invite notification from PepTide-Test again if anyone wants a further invite (ONLY MEMBERS WHO WE GOT RESPONSES FROM ABOUT JOINING THE TEST ARE GETTING A LINK). I wanted most of this communication to be in discord at the request of Zippity, but we all saw what happened once the whole thing got started, such is life.

Interested in the link to the discord channel when you have time. No rush.

Side note: This new proposal seems like a serious win, great job organizing this and being the community’s voice for testing .

 

[Drey77]

Just a follow-up, since the clear majority of people weren't satisfied with the current 2 options, I am hoping the new concept will make everyone happy. We have been discussing this with some other members from the forum with Q&A's on the (now properly restricted to members, and seems to be under control discord).

I'll ask for an invite notification from PepTide-Test again if anyone wants a further invite (ONLY MEMBERS WHO WE GOT RESPONSES FROM ABOUT JOINING THE TEST ARE GETTING A LINK). I wanted most of this communication to be in discord at the request of Zippity, but we all saw what happened once the whole thing got started, such is life.

Peptide-Test agreed to give us the normal bulk discount, and is allowing us to have a trackable inventory system for the vials. EVERYBODY GETS TRACEABLE VIAL PURITY/DOSAGE OF YOUR VIALS FOR TESTING.

The cost including sterility for both groups, all vials with match-ups and everything, will be $166/participant. If you want to see the math on this, PepTide-Test broke down all the costs in discord (I don't want to share pricing design on this forum).

I understand that might be higher than some were expecting, but that is still decently cheaper than getting tests on your own.

The vials for sterility cannot be the same vials used in the testing. I have committed 1 of my 4 vials for sterility, and we have 1 other vial currently for the 60 mg group, and 2 vials for the 30mg group. Sterility vials are entirely optional to donate, and do not add any cost to the order.

I will be DM'ing all participants with the link to a spreadsheet for vial designations you will need to make before shipping so we can track them through the process, and also payment information (not to me, to PepTide-Test). I think a reasonable timeframe for payment should be 72 hours, and if you are uninterested at this price point, I completely understand, just let me know and I'll let PepTide-Test know.

Please do not share any of these links

After 72 hours have passed (72 hours starts at midnight tonight EST), we will set up a timeframe for shipping, I'll DM shipping address (pretty sure that's just on peptide-Test's website), and we can wait for the "magic" to happen so to speak.

I want to thank Zippity for this opportunity again, I tried to be as accommodating as I could with discord and what not, but inexperience kicks my organizational skills' butt sometimes. Unfortunately I had to set up 2 threads for polling, as I can't change polls one a thread once they are opened.

This is amazing!! Thank you!!

 

[sprockleberry]

I'd also like the discord link when you have time. Thank you!

 

[MakeItaDouble]

I edited your comment for you, lol

You accept risk more readily, because you haven't been burned, YET! Though you could be one of those lucky people - my complete opposite. If you look long enough, and in the right places, you'll see quite a few issues reported.

Here's the thing - even the very best vendors have issues from time to time. Some of the top vendors on Dionysos's list had issues in the past, including Amo. Pretty sure he stated somewhere those lists aren't carved in stone. It would only take a few issues for any of the top vendors to lose their "top" status... A batch test of 20+ vials coming back with problems, for example. I could be wrong, but I don't think his intent is for people to rely so strongly on the spreadsheets. They are merely a way to help newcomers separate the good from the bad, a starting point to help mitigate risk, but with ZERO guarantees. Not a substitution for due diligence and personal research/testing. His China vendor sheet is pretty new - well, even the domestic vendor sheet is relatively new (3-4 months). @dionysos might want to comment on this...

I'm a bit surprised Amo didn't have more issues, seeing how they just recently started vacuum sealing vials...

Unfortunately PVKH got nuked, so a lot of info has been lost. I'm not in the testing server (last I knew, dionysos isn't either), so I/we have no idea what might be showing in recent tests. They do release some of the testing info after 30 days, but there's still that 30 days, as well as the time it takes to round up volunteers, send in vials, and get results back.. before most of us know about any issues.... So it's possible to learn today, that there were issues 2+ months ago with a vendor that no one was aware of. Plenty of time for someone to come in here, see the spreadsheet, order, receive, and use peptides while being completely unaware there are issues... Not likely anything serious, but due to the nature of use, a serious issue could have catastrophic consequences. There are probably a lot more people following this batch testing than we are aware of!

While I wouldn't hesitate to rely on his domestic vendor sheet, a bit more caution is warranted with the Chinese vendors.

Thank you for editing my comment with your perspective. 🙂 I really do appreciate the time you and others spend educating new people. 🙏

I've been spending a significant amount of time reading and gleaning info but readily agree, I have barely scratched the surface. Adding in the knowledge you can't believe everything (or much?) you read means finding the same info consistently on a topic before beginning to think it might be true.

I have enough T stockpiled from the expensive US sources to last me until next year so I am not going to be using the Amo vials until well after testing comes back. I am glad we now have the option to receive a COA on our own vial thanks to the considerable efforts of Cndmk! 😍

There is a touch of irony in the fact I wouldn't consider giving any of my dogs food, treats or toys "Made in China".