Any recommendations on grey vendors without crypto?

Let them. If people don’t want to use crypto they need to use what they can. People ruined PayPal with bogus claims. There used to be a time where people would send cash in birthday cards to get AAS. It’s a gamble no matter what you use.
I understand gambling, but if you like your bank, it’s a risk using g zelle. Granted, they question EVERY PURCHASE I MAKE, but hopefully they won’t close my account because I spent too much this year on my hair and nails….
 
NEXAPH I only buy on pre-sales.
This is me. I like Nexaph because they are popular and have a lot of testing. The vendor does their own, per usual, then they sponsor third party testing, and then there's likely to be non-sponsored third party as well. The Reta I recently got from them had four vials tested from the vendor, and like 10 more vials (at least) that should have results within the next week. That's way better than any other group testing I've been part of yet.

For me it also matters that I just got hosed for around $400 on a group buy because 1) bad product, and 2) another untested product that was not popular at all so no interest in a group test. So I'm starting to think I may stick with nexaph pre-sales for everything. I don't need to scrimp and save every last dollar, I'll pay a little extra for good testing and less hassle.
 
Work at a highly regulated financial firm, my employment agreement prohibits me from owning/mining any crypto, and must attest to that yearly (as well as reporting being a party of or to any legal action, etc). So with KYC in place for buying crypto, I am not going risking my job just save $40. Therefore I don’t and I have had good experiences with nexaph (credit card) amo/bfflist (paypal via alibaba) for kits of 10. and grey axis research (paypal), and an independent going by BioBombshell (venmo) for single vials, both seem to be reselling singles from group buys.
omg! i was reporting my experiences, but now just looked at nexaph vs bbflink prices. holy yikes! nexaph has no pre-order so is all 2-3x the price of bff which is all on sale now. crazy.
 
For me it also matters that I just got hosed for around $400 on a group buy because 1) bad product, and 2) another untested product that was not popular at all so no interest in a group test. So I'm starting to think I may stick with nexaph pre-sales for everything. I don't need to scrimp and save every last dollar, I'll pay a little extra for good testing and less hassle.

Yeah I think I’ve arrived at the same place for the same reasons. I don’t think there’s another vendor that is tested as much as they are, and to me that’s worth an extra $5 per week or whatever.

Unfortunately it seems like only the most popular stuff goes on presale.
 
I disagree with that. As long as there are people willing to pay extra there will be someone willing to offer an easier way to pay.
It's not that they don't want to accept things like PayPal, it's more than it goes against PayPal's terms of service, and their accounts often get deleted or blocked. It's just unnecessary headache for them, especially if their account gets frozen with a pile of money in it for product they still have to ship.
 
I understand gambling, but if you like your bank, it’s a risk using g zelle. Granted, they question EVERY PURCHASE I MAKE, but hopefully they won’t close my account because I spent too much this year on my hair and nails….
Zelle and banks operate separately. You might lose access to Zelle but it won’t make your bank do anything to you. There are also Wise and Remitly for people to consider.
 
Work at a highly regulated financial firm, my employment agreement prohibits me from owning/mining any crypto, and must attest to that yearly (as well as reporting being a party of or to any legal action, etc). So with KYC in place for buying crypto, I am not going risking my job just save $40. Therefore I don’t and I have had good experiences with nexaph (credit card) amo/bfflist (paypal via alibaba) for kits of 10. and grey axis research (paypal), and an independent going by BioBombshell (venmo) for single vials, both seem to be reselling singles from group buys.
I agree with you. It's not worth risking your job over something like this.
 
So how do you guys feel about aminolair,
600mg for 290, price is high, but the t60 has a recent coa from peptidetest.com

I made one order through them already and they were responsive and I just received it. But the tirz and nad+ is really what im after

Hmmm, am I allowed to say all that here?
 
So how do you guys feel about aminolair,
600mg for 290, price is high, but the t60 has a recent coa from peptidetest.com

I made one order through them already and they were responsive and I just received it. But the tirz and nad+ is really what im after

Hmmm, am I allowed to say all that here?
This level means yes.
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Zelle and banks operate separately. You might lose access to Zelle but it won’t make your bank do anything to you.
It's actually the opposite. Zelle and the banks couldn't be tighter.

Zelle is owned by Early Warning Systems (EWS). EWS is owned by an oligopoly consisting of most of the large US banks. EWS is also what those and a majority of other banks use for screening and monitoring customers. They're essentially the banking version of Equifax, Experian, and TransUnion; keeping track of countless transactions people engage in daily—especially those that they consider problematic. And just like the big three credit bureaus, everyone has an EWS "score" based on their banking history, and the lower the score the higher the chance of getting locked out of something as basic as access to banking.

Any time something "negative" happens with a customer, whether it be a bounced check, overdraft, suspected fraud, account freeze or closure, lien/levy/garnishment, and a whole bunch of other factors, it's recorded on their EWS report just like when someone is late with a credit card or loan payment. Even seemingly innocuous things like ordering checks, putting a stop payment on a check, or accidently transposing a number on a deposit slip or mobile deposit are often reported since they might indicate that person is a criminal mastermind instead of someone who simply needed more checks, or had a check get lost in the mail, or forgot to put their reading glasses on when making a deposit.

If one bank closes an account because of any of these "negative" events (especially if an SAR is filed), the domino effect often starts and other banks will usually refuse to let that person to open a new account for 5-7 years, and existing accounts at other banks that subscribe to EWS often end up getting closed as a precaution.

Zelle being balls deep in the middle of all of this also reports the same sort of activities to their loving parent company, so if they close an account, suspect fraud, or take any other kind of negative action against a customer, not only is the bank connected to the Zelle account aware of it, but every other bank that the person does or might attempt to do business with is as well.

Bottom line: never use Zelle. For anything. Not peptides, not paying your sister back for pizza. Sending cash in the mail, or sending a Western Union is probably a safer bet and less likely to have as wide-reaching unintended consequences.
 
Zelle and banks operate separately. You might lose access to Zelle but it won’t make your bank do anything to you. There are also Wise and Remitly for people to consider.
I was just passing on what I heard from someone that it happened to. She lost Zelle and her account was closed by the bank.

I like wise too, but they want a picture of my passport.. and I don’t have one. 😒
 
My experience trying to use crypto was terrible. Short version is I spent hours researching crypto. Purchased $500 USD in Bitcoin. Got stuck in some loop where I needed money in an account to send money but could not put money into the account. I spent probably 15 hours doing research, trying to buy product, then called a friend who spent hours retreiving my money - $420 USD. $80 USD disappeared in the crypto void.
I would prefer to pay more for product from a company that makes it easier to purchase their product.
Some of you will disagree and say I am stupid for not being able to navigage the crypto world. Maybe that is true. But I value convience and crypto is not convient for me.
 

It's actually the opposite. Zelle and the banks couldn't be tighter.

Zelle is owned by Early Warning Systems (EWS). EWS is owned by an oligopoly consisting of most of the large US banks. EWS is also what those and a majority of other banks use for screening and monitoring customers. They're essentially the banking version of Equifax, Experian, and TransUnion; keeping track of countless transactions people engage in daily—especially those that they consider problematic. And just like the big three credit bureaus, everyone has an EWS "score" based on their banking history, and the lower the score the higher the chance of getting locked out of something as basic as access to banking.

Any time something "negative" happens with a customer, whether it be a bounced check, overdraft, suspected fraud, account freeze or closure, lien/levy/garnishment, and a whole bunch of other factors, it's recorded on their EWS report just like when someone is late with a credit card or loan payment. Even seemingly innocuous things like ordering checks, putting a stop payment on a check, or accidently transposing a number on a deposit slip or mobile deposit are often reported since they might indicate that person is a criminal mastermind instead of someone who simply needed more checks, or had a check get lost in the mail, or forgot to put their reading glasses on when making a deposit.

If one bank closes an account because of any of these "negative" events (especially if an SAR is filed), the domino effect often starts and other banks will usually refuse to let that person to open a new account for 5-7 years, and existing accounts at other banks that subscribe to EWS often end up getting closed as a precaution.

Zelle being balls deep in the middle of all of this also reports the same sort of activities to their loving parent company, so if they close an account, suspect fraud, or take any other kind of negative action against a customer, not only is the bank connected to the Zelle account aware of it, but every other bank that the person does or might attempt to do business with is as well.

Bottom line: never use Zelle. For anything. Not peptides, not paying your sister back for pizza. Sending cash in the mail, or sending a Western Union is probably a safer bet and less likely to have as wide-reaching unintended consequences.
Correct! And like credit reporting agencies you can request what information they hold on you, from them once per year. See https://www.consumerfinance.gov/con...es/companies-list/early-warning-services-llc/ before the CFPB is removed from existence in the next 6 weeks.
 

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