Are any of these vendors repping manufacturers?

[GtownBrown]

I was just doing some googling after reading claims in discord that Uther Pharmaceuticals and Angel Pet (repped here by Tuk Angel) are actual peptide manufacturers, not just resellers. I see that these companies have websites, addresses, etc. Angel Pet seems to have a primary business of making nutritional supplements for animals. There are different reps for this company selling different types of products. Reps tend to have their own separate websites.

People on discord and telegram tend to give Tuk and the reps from Uther good reviews and like their product. I am just wondering what is real and what is not in this “gray” market world. What do y’all think?

 

[clevesand]

Real manufacturers aren't selling 10 bottles at a time on Telegram. It's an Amway model

 

[GtownBrown]

Real manufacturers aren't selling 10 bottles at a time on Telegram. It's an Amway model

I was curious about the business model. The amway model makes sense as to why Tuk is always warning us not to buy from other reps. However, Tuk still could be selling from one manufacturer only. At least there’s a history there of good test results. I think a lot of vendors are just buying on an open market and selling us product from whoever they got the lowest price from that week.

 

[keangkong]

I was just doing some googling after reading claims in discord that Uther Pharmaceuticals and Angel Pet (repped here by Tuk Angel) are actual peptide manufacturers, not just resellers. I see that these companies have websites, addresses, etc. Angel Pet seems to have a primary business of making nutritional supplements for animals. There are different reps for this company selling different types of products. Reps tend to have their own separate websites.

People on discord and telegram tend to give Tuk and the reps from Uther good reviews and like their product. I am just wondering what is real and what is not in this “gray” market world. What do y’all think?

It's hard to tell. I remember going to a big warehouse with no well-recognized. The place manufactures tons of food. The place has a tiny little store where I live where they sell a few items. Some of the items are brand names from big food manufacturers. When I asked, the salesperson said that name brand stuff is manufactured there under a license.

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Does anyone have any credible info about who the Chinese raw powder manufacturers are? Even a single name will be enough to…
So far every vendor I have spoken to claim they are raw powder manufacturers too …

 

[zpped]

Does anyone have any credible info about who the Chinese raw powder manufacturers are? Even a single name will be enough to…
So far every vendor I have spoken to claim they are raw powder manufacturers too …

You can check the FDA list of approved manufacturers. Off the top of my head head I think one is called sino-pep

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

You can check the FDA list of approved manufacturers. Off the top of my head head I think one is called sino-pep

Wait are you being for real? FDA will release that list? So the US really does buy raws from China? I thought that was a myth … I couldnt picture the likes of Pfizer or Eli Lilly not being able to produce their own raws in the USA …

 

[scarywood75]

Wait are you being for real? FDA will release that list? So the US really does buy raws from China? I thought that was a myth … I couldnt picture the likes of Pfizer or Eli Lilly not being able to produce their own raws in the USA …

I'm sure it's all about profit

 

[penewbie]

Wait are you being for real? FDA will release that list? So the US really does buy raws from China? I thought that was a myth … I couldnt picture the likes of Pfizer or Eli Lilly not being able to produce their own raws in the USA …

Wish I could find the list, I've seen it a few days ago, it's pretty interesting.

 

[janedoe]

There is a list of manufacturers in China that produce or have produced for EL/Pf, and some of them have locations in the US (I downloaded it in PDF at one point) I believe it was found on the FDA site under the "National Drug Code Directory") The list is set up by what is being produced, which includes Cagri (was a small list if about 7 companies in China), Reta, Tz, sema, Maz, Survo, among many others. It also list's the year the license for production expires, most being 12/25 for GPL1s and such. EL of course produces in the US as well, Colorado and Indiana are big ones so they can minimize use of the China producers. Some China producers were WuXi Advanced Therapies Inc. (WuXi ATU) & Sino-. I was surprised to know that WuXi had a location in my city and are building a bigger facility in Singapore. EL wants to phase them out, especially do to the Colorado based plant, which is huge to my understanding. There is a great deal of information available, it's just hard to get to it sometimes. Being in Clinical QA now, at this part of my career, makes researching information like an RCA project.

 

[penewbie]

There is a list of manufacturers in China that produce or have produced for EL/Pf, and some of them have locations in the US (I downloaded it in PDF at one point) I believe it was found on the FDA site under the "National Drug Code Directory") I was surprised to see . The list is set up by what is being produced, which includes Cagri (was a small list if about 7 companies in China), Reta, Tz, sema, Maz, Survo, among many others. It also list's the year the license for production expires, most being 12/25 for GPL1s and such. EL of course produces in the US as well, Colorado and Indiana are big ones so they can minimize use of the China producers. Some China producers were WuXi Advanced Therapies Inc. (WuXi ATU) & Sino-. I was surprised to know that WuXi had a location in my city and are building a bigger facility in Singapore. EL wants to phase them out, especially do to the Colorado based plant, which is huge to my understanding. There is a great deal of information available, it's just hard to get to it sometimes. Being in Clinical QA now, at this part of my career makes researching information like an RCA project.

Ah, thank you! That's it.

 

[Mon*Cheri]

There is a list of manufacturers in China that produce or have produced for EL/Pf, and some of them have locations in the US (I downloaded it in PDF at one point) I believe it was found on the FDA site under the "National Drug Code Directory") The list is set up by what is being produced, which includes Cagri (was a small list if about 7 companies in China), Reta, Tz, sema, Maz, Survo, among many others. It also list's the year the license for production expires, most being 12/25 for GPL1s and such. EL of course produces in the US as well, Colorado and Indiana are big ones so they can minimize use of the China producers. Some China producers were WuXi Advanced Therapies Inc. (WuXi ATU) & Sino-. I was surprised to know that WuXi had a location in my city and are building a bigger facility in Singapore. EL wants to phase them out, especially do to the Colorado based plant, which is huge to my understanding. There is a great deal of information available, it's just hard to get to it sometimes. Being in Clinical QA now, at this part of my career, makes researching information like an RCA project.

Any of them sell grey? Can you identify them?

 

[keangkong]

I was just doing some googling after reading claims in discord that Uther Pharmaceuticals and Angel Pet (repped here by Tuk Angel) are actual peptide manufacturers, not just resellers. I see that these companies have websites, addresses, etc. Angel Pet seems to have a primary business of making nutritional supplements for animals. There are different reps for this company selling different types of products. Reps tend to have their own separate websites.

People on discord and telegram tend to give Tuk and the reps from Uther good reviews and like their product. I am just wondering what is real and what is not in this “gray” market world. What do y’all think?

Janoshik has opined that China only has two reta manufacturers. While he said he believes there are more tirz manufacturers than that, he said there are not many more.

 

[janedoe]

Any of them sell grey? Can you identify them?

There is an FDA directory list that is accessible on the FDA website.

 

[GtownBrown]

Janoshik has opined that China only has two reta manufacturers. While he said he believes there are more tirz manufacturers than that, he said there are not many more.

I guess I now understand better the difference between manufacturing the raws and the lyophilization process. We know now (after Krysta’s latest interviews) that Uther is manufacturing its own product, but sourcing the raws elsewhere.

 

[keangkong]

I guess I now understand better the difference between manufacturing the raws and the lyophilization process. We know now (after Krysta’s latest interviews) that Uther is manufacturing its own product, but sourcing the raws elsewhere.

I agree that lyophilizing appears to be a much different process and more widely engaged in than manufacturing raw. I was not convinced by that interview that Uther necessarily lyophilizes the raws. I know he claims to do so. I know that Krysia tested Uther's product and it did well. I also knows customs seized her shipment multiple times and that Uther kept reshipping the product until Krysia received. Those are all good.

 

[keangkong]

Any of them sell grey? Can you identify them?

A company that is selling raws to a big drug company is probably not going to sell to anyone else not authorized by the FDA or a foreign regulatory body. However, if they do sell grey materials, they'll make sure that the raws can't be linked to them.

 

[zpped]

I guess I now understand better the difference between manufacturing the raws and the lyophilization process. We know now (after Krysta’s latest interviews) that Uther is manufacturing its own product, but sourcing the raws elsewhere.

We don't know shit and neither does Krysia unless she's personally set foot in the factory. (Which she hasn't)

I'm not gonna say Uther 100% isn't a finisher, but it's highly unlikely.

 

[keangkong]

We don't know shit and neither does Krysia unless she's personally set foot in the factory. (Which she hasn't)

I'm not gonna say Uther 100% isn't a finisher, but it's highly unlikely.

Folks keep wanting to believe that they found a finisher or a manufacturer of raws. Believe it if it makes you feel better.