ASC banned from the StairwayToGray site

[keangkong]

StairMaster1 has banned ASC from the StairwayToGray Telegram site.

Stairmaster1 wrote:

We have banned ASC for

1. Not reshipping/ refunding a customer whose test showed an incorrect product was sent - member independently tested AOD at Janoshik and it wasn't AOD.

2. Not reshipping/refunding customers with LipoC pH issues (extremely acidic).

There are also reports of cloudy Reta, gelling NAO, and other product mishaps.

We reached out to ASC prior to banning to try to resolve the issues above, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

There's no point in having a purity guarantee if a vendor sends the wrong thing or a dangerous thing.

Every vendor makes mistakes, but how a vendor deals with them matters.

Vendors should reship or refund incorrect product.

 

[keangkong]

The whole thing seems quite stupid on ASC's part. ASC's had a loyal following despite having relatively high prices for a Chinese vendor. Prices like that might be worth it if the customer service and product are consistently great.

 

[flipout24]

The whole thing seems quite stupid on ASC's part. ASC's had a loyal following despite having relatively high prices for a Chinese vendor. Prices like that might be worth it if the customer service and product are consistently great.

I received NAD+ that was cloudy/gelling. Tuk was responsive to my concern and has indicated they are going to reship after the holiday, which I am fine with.

 

[notyourrobot]

I had an issue with an ASC order, and Tuk went above and beyond making it right, no questions asked. I'm kinda shocked to hear this, and would be curious to know more. I was hoping to get one more kit from her when the customs stuff blows over.

I guess nothing lasts forever, good or bad. Damn.

 

[geoguy78]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

 

[keangkong]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

I believe most, or all grey vendors, are resellers. I wouldn't use suspicion that someone is a reseller as ground for not buying from them.

 

[geoguy78]

I believe most, or all grey vendors, are resellers. I wouldn't use suspicion that someone is a reseller as ground for not buying from them.

Not all are created equal. Just my metrics, but having anabolic steroids on the menu is a good sign for me. Something weird about your product, like Amo's funky pucks and sting is another good sign for me. It's resellers getting hit with zero peps, and now the whole "plant dye" in the lipo-b. To each their own I guess.

 

[keangkong]

I received NAD+ that was cloudy/gelling. Tuk was responsive to my concern and has indicated they are going to reship after the holiday, which I am fine with.

I'm not telling anyone not to shop with ASC. I'm putting information out there. While I have a high opinion of StairMaster1, I didn't get much detail as to exactly what happened.

 

[rkl123]

Huge red flag for me

Why is it a redflag that they're resellers? (just a question if they're good resellers or not...seemingly ASC isn't good).

 

[Peachyp6369]

I don't believe they're all under the same management. They may well be, but I haven't seen anything so far suggesting that. It does seem that many of them are getting the peptides from the same place.

Three of them use the same BTC wallet

 

[geoguy78]

Why is it a redflag that they're resellers? (just a question if they're good resellers or not...seemingly ASC isn't good).

Red flag that they are using the same crypto wallets, yet pretending to be separate "companies".

 

[Nikki nik]

Red flag that they are using the same crypto wallets, yet pretending to be separate "companies".

Agree

 

[geoguy78]

Exactly. Nothing wrong with reselling, but three "vendors" that are all really the same is just a whole lot of unnecessary deception that I don't want to get mixed up in. At least we know QSC has two different sales reps that have their own teams. If ASC's parent org just had three different sales teams Id be cool with it, but they are gaslighting the customers so the sales reps can be in competition with one another, or so they can hedge their bets, and I'm just not cool with that.

 

[clayd]

Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical which is one of the companies under indictment for selling fentanyl or precursors to Sinaloa

Discovered on another forum, not posting the link here so they don't disappear the evidence. Happy to discuss in private messages

 

[geoguy78]

Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical which is one of the companies under indictment for selling fentanyl or precursors to Sinaloa

Discovered by krysia, not posting the link here so they don't disappear the evidence

I'm willing to bet most of these pep manufacturers are also making money selling precursors for fent and other controlled substances.

 

[clayd]

To me it doesn't matter (just like doesn't matter that there's 2 independent QSC's). What matters is are they good at being resellers. They were for a while but seemingly have recently failed badly and not made things right.

It won't matter to a lot of people but to others it will matter a lot

 

[GimmeABreak]

This setup also lets the owner company spread their risk across three different brands. If one brand has government or US customs scrutiny they can shutter it and still have two (or more?) other brands operating.

Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.

I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.

 

[clevesand]

This setup also lets the owner company spread their risk across three different brands. If one brand has government or US customs scrutiny they can shutter it and still have two (or more?) other brands operating.

Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.

I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.

I honestly thought everyone already knew that's how it worked. Nobody cooking up tirz is selling it a kit at a time and putting it into individual bubble wraps and sending it to America. It's the Amway sales model.

The only relevant thing is how good they are at selling to you. I don't really care enough to dig into to the telegram drama, but my guess is they're like very other Chinese vendor and are trying to get the product replaced (and tested good) so they can just ship a replacement. No Chinese vendor ever does refunds that I've seen. It's likely taking longer due to the holiday.

 

[Tzelle]

They deserve the ban because They sent incorrect/unlabeled/bad product, which even when tested - they continued to gaslight and not refund or reship. Just no worry, pin away. That was basically the response.

 

[indolent]

Stairmaster1's reasons for banning sound sound, if true. But I don't see the issue if several brand-fronts / people are in fact the same operation. We know we're not dealing with Boy Scouts or state-licensed pharmacists or Marcus Welby, MD. The market is grey; we just want (and should expect) safety, effectiveness and whatever value for money we signed up for.

In marketing terms, what they're doing (if people's guesses about it are correct) is different brand positioning for the same product. Chrysler and Plymouth put different badges on the same car. PayPal and Venmo (same ownership) do more or less the same thing, with their own bells and whistles. Google Maps and Waze. Mounjaro and Zepbound; the other two too.

Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.