geoguy78
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I'm willing to bet most of these pep manufacturers are also making money selling precursors for fent and other controlled substances.
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rkl123
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To me it doesn't matter (just like doesn't matter that there's 2 independent QSC's). What matters is are they good at being resellers. They were for a while but seemingly have recently failed badly and not made things right.
It won't matter to a lot of people but to others it will matter a lot
GimmeABreak
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This setup also lets the owner company spread their risk across three different brands. If one brand has government or US customs scrutiny they can shutter it and still have two (or more?) other brands operating.
Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.
I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.
Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.
I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.
clevesand
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I honestly thought everyone already knew that's how it worked. Nobody cooking up tirz is selling it a kit at a time and putting it into individual bubble wraps and sending it to America. It's the Amway sales model.
The only relevant thing is how good they are at selling to you. I don't really care enough to dig into to the telegram drama, but my guess is they're like very other Chinese vendor and are trying to get the product replaced (and tested good) so they can just ship a replacement. No Chinese vendor ever does refunds that I've seen. It's likely taking longer due to the holiday.
Stairmaster1's reasons for banning sound sound, if true. But I don't see the issue if several brand-fronts / people are in fact the same operation. We know we're not dealing with Boy Scouts or state-licensed pharmacists or Marcus Welby, MD. The market is grey; we just want (and should expect) safety, effectiveness and whatever value for money we signed up for.
In marketing terms, what they're doing (if people's guesses about it are correct) is different brand positioning for the same product. Chrysler and Plymouth put different badges on the same car. PayPal and Venmo (same ownership) do more or less the same thing, with their own bells and whistles. Google Maps and Waze. Mounjaro and Zepbound; the other two too.
Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.
In marketing terms, what they're doing (if people's guesses about it are correct) is different brand positioning for the same product. Chrysler and Plymouth put different badges on the same car. PayPal and Venmo (same ownership) do more or less the same thing, with their own bells and whistles. Google Maps and Waze. Mounjaro and Zepbound; the other two too.
Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.
Peachyp6369
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There’s a thread somewhere where Jano said there are 4 products out there - essentially the resellers are selling the same four products from finishers but no way to tie which product to which vendor.
rkl123
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Rightly or wrongly I think people are feeling misled. Here we are testing and comparing, discussing ad nauseam, trying to pin down the best source, and it turns out they’re next to one another in cubicles going to a team lunch every Thursday.
Peotidethrowaway
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I think being surprised by this is pretty naive
geoguy78
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I'm not surprised at all. But I've never done business with any of them because I didn't get good "feels" and the recent events have supported my intuition.
Peotidethrowaway
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Hard to say without knowing. I expect it to be much worse than what I imagine and I’m never disappointed
I’ve bought from Tuk. S/he was fine and my product arrived and tested well. S/he gave some weird answers to someone in the testing group about what would happen if it didn’t test well and she said she didn’t work for them and it was not her problem or something bizarre. I would not have ordered from them again even before this mess.
Just like sry and gyc and qsc and whoever the next drama is, in a few weeks it’ll all blow over and people won’t remember. I said I wouldn’t buy from sry after their fent indictment but here we are and I have
Oh also I’m shocked at the people buying drugs from literal drug dealers being surprised when they….. sell drugs
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Windingroads06
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Wasn't there a thread a bit a go that had the physical locations where certain drugs are approved to be manufactured?
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Sounds convincing to me. I didn't realize that.
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Okay. I was wrong.
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If you join the StairwayToGray Telegram site, the person who started that and the head moderator is Stairmaster 1. Here are several invites:
It's a good place to learn about peptides, however, Telegram isn't as well configured for a forum as the glp1forum.
Suspicious-Cabbage
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Sometimes I think the barrier to entry is just way too low. I'm glad so many people are finding their ways to these sources and getting the meds that help them since insurance is a disaster in the US. But it's so easy to find and order now that people don't realize what they're actually doing. Back in the day when I bought something off silk road and it occasionally turned out to be bunk I wasn't exactly shocked.
It's a whole other discussion of which there is already a thread about, but calling it a gentle name like "Grey" isn't helping.
In that case, who wants to go in on a kilo of tirz?
We all know who #4 is, it's Nexa in Shanghai.
No one should have let me buy grey. If I can figure it out, anyone can. That's a problem.
