ASC banned from the StairwayToGray site

GimmeABreak said:
This setup also lets the owner company spread their risk across three different brands. If one brand has government or US customs scrutiny they can shutter it and still have two (or more?) other brands operating.

Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.

I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.
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There’s a thread somewhere where Jano said there are 4 products out there - essentially the resellers are selling the same four products from finishers but no way to tie which product to which vendor.
 
indolent said:
Stairmaster1's reasons for banning sound sound, if true. But I don't see the issue if several brand-fronts / people are in fact the same operation. We know we're not dealing with Boy Scouts or state-licensed pharmacists or Marcus Welby, MD. The market is grey; we just want (and should expect) safety, effectiveness and whatever value for money we signed up for.

In marketing terms, what they're doing (if people's guesses about it are correct) is different brand positioning for the same product. Chrysler and Plymouth put different badges on the same car. PayPal and Venmo (same ownership) do more or less the same thing, with their own bells and whistles. Google Maps and Waze. Mounjaro and Zepbound; the other two too.

Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.
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Rightly or wrongly I think people are feeling misled. Here we are testing and comparing, discussing ad nauseam, trying to pin down the best source, and it turns out they’re next to one another in cubicles going to a team lunch every Thursday.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Rightly or wrongly I think people are feeling misled. Here we are testing and comparing, discussing ad nauseam, trying to pin down the best source, and it turns out they’re next to one another in cubicles going to a team lunch every Thursday.
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I think being surprised by this is pretty naive
 
geoguy78 said:
I'm not surprised at all. But I've never done business with any of them because I didn't get good "feels" and the recent events have supported my intuition.
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Hard to say without knowing. I expect it to be much worse than what I imagine and I’m never disappointed

I’ve bought from Tuk. S/he was fine and my product arrived and tested well. S/he gave some weird answers to someone in the testing group about what would happen if it didn’t test well and she said she didn’t work for them and it was not her problem or something bizarre. I would not have ordered from them again even before this mess.

Just like sry and gyc and qsc and whoever the next drama is, in a few weeks it’ll all blow over and people won’t remember. I said I wouldn’t buy from sry after their fent indictment but here we are and I have

Oh also I’m shocked at the people buying drugs from literal drug dealers being surprised when they….. sell drugs
 
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Wasn't there a thread a bit a go that had the physical locations where certain drugs are approved to be manufactured?
 
indolent said:
Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.
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If you join the StairwayToGray Telegram site, the person who started that and the head moderator is Stairmaster 1. Here are several invites:

It's a good place to learn about peptides, however, Telegram isn't as well configured for a forum as the glp1forum.

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Peotidethrowaway said:
Oh also I’m shocked at the people buying drugs from literal drug dealers being surprised when they….. sell drugs
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Sometimes I think the barrier to entry is just way too low. I'm glad so many people are finding their ways to these sources and getting the meds that help them since insurance is a disaster in the US. But it's so easy to find and order now that people don't realize what they're actually doing. Back in the day when I bought something off silk road and it occasionally turned out to be bunk I wasn't exactly shocked.

It's a whole other discussion of which there is already a thread about, but calling it a gentle name like "Grey" isn't helping.
 
rkl123 said:
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GYC/ASC/QST consortium

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We all know who #4 is, it's Nexa in Shanghai.
Suspicious-Cabbage said:
Sometimes I think the barrier to entry is just way too low. I'm glad so many people are finding their ways to these sources and getting the meds that help them since insurance is a disaster in the US. But it's so easy to find and order now that people don't realize what they're actually doing. Back in the day when I bought something off silk road and it occasionally turned out to be bunk I wasn't exactly shocked.

It's a whole other discussion of which there is already a thread about, but calling it a gentle name like "Grey" isn't helping.
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No one should have let me buy grey. If I can figure it out, anyone can. That's a problem.
 
geoguy78 said:
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.
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That's what I believe..they are separate sales people acting as companies.. or maybe 2 or 3 acting as companies
 
PeptideJedi said:
That's what I believe..they are separate sales people acting as companies.. or maybe 2 or 3 acting as companies
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They might not even be different sales people. Think of how text based customer support works. Multiple screens/windows open at once to optimize for time.
 
clayd said:
Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical which is one of the companies under indictment for selling fentanyl or precursors to Sinaloa

Discovered on another forum, not posting the link here so they don't disappear the evidence. Happy to discuss in private messages
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It’s possible ASC is an actual manufacturer. I looked into Tuk’s email address once and it’s for a company called Angel Pet that manufactures pet foods and supplements. Or that could just be another branch on their corporate tree.

I think they have been popular up until now because of Tuk personally giving good service. Plus, the quality was consistent. I get the impression now that Tuk doesn’t have much control over what’s happening with the product right now.
 
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keangkong said:
Thanks for posting this. We sometimes rapidly swing from liking a vendor to hating a vendor. Sometimes we act too quickly. Sorry for the stupid post but I make a few post if I want to become a Research Enthusiast again. Otherwise I can't comment in the Vendor section.
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Save time and just hate every vendor.
 
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