ASC banned from the StairwayToGray site

[keangkong]

Save time and just hate every vendor.

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

 

[GimmeABreak]

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

Congrats. You made it back to "Research Enthusiast"! In my experience, it won't last more than a day or so though.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

I hate dealing with Tracy but I still buy from him….

 

[zpped]

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

I give people I hate money all the time.

 

[hexagonal]

Seems like a reasonable response, but yeah, can understand the frustration when it feels like getting a response is taking a while.

I think with the nature of a lot of these companies being somewhat hazy in how they actually relate back to the original manufacturer of the raw product, there is likely to be some additional delay due to the communication happening between the two entities.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I give people I hate money all the time.

Ain’t that the truth

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

Seems like a reasonable response, but yeah, can understand the frustration when it feels like getting a response is taking a while.

I think with the nature of a lot of these companies being somewhat hazy in how they actually relate back to the original manufacturer of the raw product, there is likely to be some additional delay due to the communication happening between the two entities.

Krysia from the Swiss is slowly connecting the dots. Unfortunately it’s so convoluted I can’t follow it, but again we are dealing with literal drug dealers here.

 

[keangkong]

Krysia from the Swiss is slowly connecting the dots. Unfortunately it’s so convoluted I can’t follow it, but again we are dealing with literal drug dealers here.

Krysia shouldn't look too closely. There are some things I don't want to know.

 

[Yahooeeee]

This is the case that I think started the whole thing with ASC who were notified about this problem middle of Dec. They reluctantly agreed to reimburse the buyer the cost of the kit & testing but then never followed thru. Stairmaster got involved & tried to negotiate with them & when they continued to refuse to make it right that's when they got banned from Stairmaster's TG. The very next day after the banning, ASC put out his apology and agreed to reimburse everyone. The original buyer that had this test done got reimbursed the same day of the apology for the kit but never did get reimbursed for testing. The sad part is that ASC continued to sell this supposed AOD the whole time. The other case that I know of is a user that posted in Swiss and reviewed ASC and gave the details of the test results, which were exactly like this one & ASC refused the refund per the review. Raven had a GB & the same thing happened with the same results. This was just announced about a week ago. The GB happened 11-2024: AOD 5mg grey cap tested by Jano came back in 1-2025 Somatotropin 1.51mg. Vendor agreed to remake/reship. Raven has so far not disclosed the vendor.

 

[keangkong]

This is the case that I think started the whole thing with ASC who were notified about this problem middle of Dec. They reluctantly agreed to reimburse the buyer the cost of the kit & testing but then never followed thru. Stairmaster got involved & tried to negotiate with them & when they continued to refuse to make it right that's when they got banned from Stairmaster's TG. The very next day after the banning, ASC put out his apology and agreed to reimburse everyone. The original buyer that had this test done got reimbursed the same day of the apology for the kit but never did get reimbursed for testing. The sad part is that ASC continued to sell this supposed AOD the whole time. The other case that I know of is a user that posted in Swiss and reviewed ASC and gave the details of the test results, which were exactly like this one & ASC refused the refund per the review. Raven had a GB & the same thing happened with the same results. This was just announced about a week ago. The GB happened 11-2024: AOD 5mg grey cap tested by Jano came back in 1-2025 Somatotropin 1.51mg. Vendor agreed to remake/reship. Raven has so far not disclosed the vendor.

The weird thing is ASC has one of the best reputations among Chinese vendors. I do not subscribe to the philosophy that all Chinese vendors are equally trustworthy or untrustworthy. However, this shows that even when you pick on of the seemingly more reliable vendors, you still might get burned.

 

[rkl123]

The weird thing is ASC has one of the best reputations among Chinese vendors. I do not subscribe to the philosophy that all Chinese vendors are equally trustworthy or untrustworthy. However, this shows that even when you pick on of the seemingly more reliable vendors, you still might get burned.

They had a good track record for a long time. The funnier thing about this is folks buying AOD at all as that doesn't do anything.

 

[clevesand]

The weird thing is ASC has one of the best reputations among Chinese vendors. I do not subscribe to the philosophy that all Chinese vendors are equally trustworthy or untrustworthy. However, this shows that even when you pick on of the seemingly more reliable vendors, you still might get burned.

It should be noted that there are a few "respected" vendors (Amo) that has never tested anything. ever. Never posted a test result for anything. Yet, they have been blessed on more than one of the "lists" as being preferred.

 

[keangkong]

It should be noted that there are a few "respected" vendors (Amo) that has never tested anything. ever. Never posted a test result for anything. Yet, they have been blessed on more than one of the "lists" as being preferred.

I've seen multiple third party tests of Amo. Amo seems highly regarded but did have a burning injection issue for many users of tirzepatide.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

It should be noted that there are a few "respected" vendors (Amo) that has never tested anything. ever. Never posted a test result for anything. Yet, they have been blessed on more than one of the "lists" as being preferred.

I think amo is one of the few actual manufacturers according to krysias investigations but who really knows

Stair master is a big fan of them therefore the tirzhelp group is a big fan of them

 

[zpped]

I've seen multiple third party tests of Amo. Amo seems highly regarded but did have a burning injection issue for many users of tirzepatide.

Before the burning tirz, amo had a reputation of underfilling by up to 20%. They eventually fixed their dosage problem and have been one of the most accurate.

 

[geoguy78]

It should be noted that there are a few "respected" vendors (Amo) that has never tested anything. ever. Never posted a test result for anything. Yet, they have been blessed on more than one of the "lists" as being preferred.

Amo definitely sells legit product, my scale can attest to that. But they have NEVER published a test for any of their product that they have paid for. At least none that I'm aware of.

 

[rkl123]

Amo definitely sells legit product, my scale can attest to that. But they have NEVER published a test for any of their product that they have paid for. At least none that I'm aware of.

I consider this a positive. Vendors wasting money on 1st party published tests is dumb.

 

[geoguy78]

I consider this a positive. Vendors wasting money on 1st party published tests is dumb.

1st party test are only so useful, and I'm currently using an Amo batch so obviously it's not a deterrence for me. But at the same time it's nice to see because it's the vendor making a statement along the lines of "this is what you should expect". Some vendors routinely overfill so someone that doesn't know that, and doesn't bother to do their own testing (let's be honest, these internet forums/groups are niche and most people don't bother testing) could be in for a rough go of it if they don't see the vendor test quantity per vial.

 

[jynxie]

This is the case that I think started the whole thing with ASC who were notified about this problem middle of Dec. They reluctantly agreed to reimburse the buyer the cost of the kit & testing but then never followed thru. Stairmaster got involved & tried to negotiate with them & when they continued to refuse to make it right that's when they got banned from Stairmaster's TG. The very next day after the banning, ASC put out his apology and agreed to reimburse everyone. The original buyer that had this test done got reimbursed the same day of the apology for the kit but never did get reimbursed for testing. The sad part is that ASC continued to sell this supposed AOD the whole time. The other case that I know of is a user that posted in Swiss and reviewed ASC and gave the details of the test results, which were exactly like this one & ASC refused the refund per the review. Raven had a GB & the same thing happened with the same results. This was just announced about a week ago. The GB happened 11-2024: AOD 5mg grey cap tested by Jano came back in 1-2025 Somatotropin 1.51mg. Vendor agreed to remake/reship. Raven has so far not disclosed the vendor.

But Somatotropin IS AOD. Really underfilled at what it tested, but it's AOD, none the less.

 

[skunknuts]

But Somatotropin IS AOD. Really underfilled at what it tested, but it's AOD, none the less.

lol, what? Very similar is not the same, you gotta be kidding.