ASC banned from the StairwayToGray site

[keangkong]

StairMaster1 has banned ASC from the StairwayToGray Telegram site.

Stairmaster1 wrote:

We have banned ASC for

1. Not reshipping/ refunding a customer whose test showed an incorrect product was sent - member independently tested AOD at Janoshik and it wasn't AOD.

2. Not reshipping/refunding customers with LipoC pH issues (extremely acidic).

There are also reports of cloudy Reta, gelling NAO, and other product mishaps.

We reached out to ASC prior to banning to try to resolve the issues above, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

There's no point in having a purity guarantee if a vendor sends the wrong thing or a dangerous thing.

Every vendor makes mistakes, but how a vendor deals with them matters.

Vendors should reship or refund incorrect product.

 

[keangkong]

The whole thing seems quite stupid on ASC's part. ASC's had a loyal following despite having relatively high prices for a Chinese vendor. Prices like that might be worth it if the customer service and product are consistently great.

 

[flipout24]

The whole thing seems quite stupid on ASC's part. ASC's had a loyal following despite having relatively high prices for a Chinese vendor. Prices like that might be worth it if the customer service and product are consistently great.

I received NAD+ that was cloudy/gelling. Tuk was responsive to my concern and has indicated they are going to reship after the holiday, which I am fine with.

 

[notyourrobot]

I had an issue with an ASC order, and Tuk went above and beyond making it right, no questions asked. I'm kinda shocked to hear this, and would be curious to know more. I was hoping to get one more kit from her when the customs stuff blows over.

I guess nothing lasts forever, good or bad. Damn.

 

[geoguy78]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

 

[keangkong]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

I believe most, or all grey vendors, are resellers. I wouldn't use suspicion that someone is a reseller as ground for not buying from them.

 

[geoguy78]

I believe most, or all grey vendors, are resellers. I wouldn't use suspicion that someone is a reseller as ground for not buying from them.

Not all are created equal. Just my metrics, but having anabolic steroids on the menu is a good sign for me. Something weird about your product, like Amo's funky pucks and sting is another good sign for me. It's resellers getting hit with zero peps, and now the whole "plant dye" in the lipo-b. To each their own I guess.

 

[keangkong]

I received NAD+ that was cloudy/gelling. Tuk was responsive to my concern and has indicated they are going to reship after the holiday, which I am fine with.

I'm not telling anyone not to shop with ASC. I'm putting information out there. While I have a high opinion of StairMaster1, I didn't get much detail as to exactly what happened.

 

[rkl123]

Huge red flag for me

Why is it a redflag that they're resellers? (just a question if they're good resellers or not...seemingly ASC isn't good).

 

[Peachyp6369]

I don't believe they're all under the same management. They may well be, but I haven't seen anything so far suggesting that. It does seem that many of them are getting the peptides from the same place.

Three of them use the same BTC wallet

 

[geoguy78]

Why is it a redflag that they're resellers? (just a question if they're good resellers or not...seemingly ASC isn't good).

Red flag that they are using the same crypto wallets, yet pretending to be separate "companies".

 

[Nikki nik]

Red flag that they are using the same crypto wallets, yet pretending to be separate "companies".

Agree

 

[geoguy78]

Exactly. Nothing wrong with reselling, but three "vendors" that are all really the same is just a whole lot of unnecessary deception that I don't want to get mixed up in. At least we know QSC has two different sales reps that have their own teams. If ASC's parent org just had three different sales teams Id be cool with it, but they are gaslighting the customers so the sales reps can be in competition with one another, or so they can hedge their bets, and I'm just not cool with that.

 

[clayd]

Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical which is one of the companies under indictment for selling fentanyl or precursors to Sinaloa

Discovered on another forum, not posting the link here so they don't disappear the evidence. Happy to discuss in private messages

 

[geoguy78]

Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical which is one of the companies under indictment for selling fentanyl or precursors to Sinaloa

Discovered by krysia, not posting the link here so they don't disappear the evidence

I'm willing to bet most of these pep manufacturers are also making money selling precursors for fent and other controlled substances.

 

[clayd]

To me it doesn't matter (just like doesn't matter that there's 2 independent QSC's). What matters is are they good at being resellers. They were for a while but seemingly have recently failed badly and not made things right.

It won't matter to a lot of people but to others it will matter a lot

 

[GimmeABreak]

This setup also lets the owner company spread their risk across three different brands. If one brand has government or US customs scrutiny they can shutter it and still have two (or more?) other brands operating.

Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.

I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.

 

[clevesand]

This setup also lets the owner company spread their risk across three different brands. If one brand has government or US customs scrutiny they can shutter it and still have two (or more?) other brands operating.

Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.

I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.

I honestly thought everyone already knew that's how it worked. Nobody cooking up tirz is selling it a kit at a time and putting it into individual bubble wraps and sending it to America. It's the Amway sales model.

The only relevant thing is how good they are at selling to you. I don't really care enough to dig into to the telegram drama, but my guess is they're like very other Chinese vendor and are trying to get the product replaced (and tested good) so they can just ship a replacement. No Chinese vendor ever does refunds that I've seen. It's likely taking longer due to the holiday.

 

[Tzelle]

They deserve the ban because They sent incorrect/unlabeled/bad product, which even when tested - they continued to gaslight and not refund or reship. Just no worry, pin away. That was basically the response.

 

[indolent]

Stairmaster1's reasons for banning sound sound, if true. But I don't see the issue if several brand-fronts / people are in fact the same operation. We know we're not dealing with Boy Scouts or state-licensed pharmacists or Marcus Welby, MD. The market is grey; we just want (and should expect) safety, effectiveness and whatever value for money we signed up for.

In marketing terms, what they're doing (if people's guesses about it are correct) is different brand positioning for the same product. Chrysler and Plymouth put different badges on the same car. PayPal and Venmo (same ownership) do more or less the same thing, with their own bells and whistles. Google Maps and Waze. Mounjaro and Zepbound; the other two too.

Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.

 

[Peachyp6369]

This setup also lets the owner company spread their risk across three different brands. If one brand has government or US customs scrutiny they can shutter it and still have two (or more?) other brands operating.

Is it really any different than General Motors having different brands with Buick, Chevy, GMC etc.

I think we largely over estimate the number of raw producers and finishers that supply this market. Also, many of the raw producers and finishers don't handle every peptide a particular manufacturer sells. I believe its a very fragile industry and it would only take a few targeted crackdowns by the CNY government to completely shut it down (for some period of time). However, when there is money to be made, the suppliers will find a way, it just might take a few months.

There’s a thread somewhere where Jano said there are 4 products out there - essentially the resellers are selling the same four products from finishers but no way to tie which product to which vendor.

 

[rkl123]

There’s a thread somewhere where Jano said there are 4 products out there - essentially the resellers are selling the same four products from finishers but no way to tie which product to which vendor.

Amo

GYC/ASC/QST consortium

Xce (as XYX)

One other

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Stairmaster1's reasons for banning sound sound, if true. But I don't see the issue if several brand-fronts / people are in fact the same operation. We know we're not dealing with Boy Scouts or state-licensed pharmacists or Marcus Welby, MD. The market is grey; we just want (and should expect) safety, effectiveness and whatever value for money we signed up for.

In marketing terms, what they're doing (if people's guesses about it are correct) is different brand positioning for the same product. Chrysler and Plymouth put different badges on the same car. PayPal and Venmo (same ownership) do more or less the same thing, with their own bells and whistles. Google Maps and Waze. Mounjaro and Zepbound; the other two too.

Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.

Rightly or wrongly I think people are feeling misled. Here we are testing and comparing, discussing ad nauseam, trying to pin down the best source, and it turns out they’re next to one another in cubicles going to a team lunch every Thursday.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

Rightly or wrongly I think people are feeling misled. Here we are testing and comparing, discussing ad nauseam, trying to pin down the best source, and it turns out they’re next to one another in cubicles going to a team lunch every Thursday.

I think being surprised by this is pretty naive

 

[geoguy78]

I think being surprised by this is pretty naive

I'm not surprised at all. But I've never done business with any of them because I didn't get good "feels" and the recent events have supported my intuition.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

I'm not surprised at all. But I've never done business with any of them because I didn't get good "feels" and the recent events have supported my intuition.

Hard to say without knowing. I expect it to be much worse than what I imagine and I’m never disappointed

I’ve bought from Tuk. S/he was fine and my product arrived and tested well. S/he gave some weird answers to someone in the testing group about what would happen if it didn’t test well and she said she didn’t work for them and it was not her problem or something bizarre. I would not have ordered from them again even before this mess.

Just like sry and gyc and qsc and whoever the next drama is, in a few weeks it’ll all blow over and people won’t remember. I said I wouldn’t buy from sry after their fent indictment but here we are and I have

Oh also I’m shocked at the people buying drugs from literal drug dealers being surprised when they….. sell drugs

 

[Windingroads06]

Wasn't there a thread a bit a go that had the physical locations where certain drugs are approved to be manufactured?

 

[keangkong]

Three of them use the same BTC wallet

Okay. I was wrong.

 

[keangkong]

Now I have to make it my business to learn who/what Stairmaster1 is, and how it will help me make my first tirz peptide purchase. After the Chinese New Year.

If you join the StairwayToGray Telegram site, the person who started that and the head moderator is Stairmaster 1. Here are several invites:

It's a good place to learn about peptides, however, Telegram isn't as well configured for a forum as the glp1forum.

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[Suspicious-Cabbage]

Oh also I’m shocked at the people buying drugs from literal drug dealers being surprised when they….. sell drugs

Sometimes I think the barrier to entry is just way too low. I'm glad so many people are finding their ways to these sources and getting the meds that help them since insurance is a disaster in the US. But it's so easy to find and order now that people don't realize what they're actually doing. Back in the day when I bought something off silk road and it occasionally turned out to be bunk I wasn't exactly shocked.

It's a whole other discussion of which there is already a thread about, but calling it a gentle name like "Grey" isn't helping.

 

[FrankTdog]

Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical

In that case, who wants to go in on a kilo of tirz?

Anhui Ruihan Technology - Coowor.com

 

[chmuse]

Amo

GYC/ASC/QST consortium

Xce (as XYX)

One other

We all know who #4 is, it's Nexa in Shanghai.

Sometimes I think the barrier to entry is just way too low. I'm glad so many people are finding their ways to these sources and getting the meds that help them since insurance is a disaster in the US. But it's so easy to find and order now that people don't realize what they're actually doing. Back in the day when I bought something off silk road and it occasionally turned out to be bunk I wasn't exactly shocked.

It's a whole other discussion of which there is already a thread about, but calling it a gentle name like "Grey" isn't helping.

No one should have let me buy grey. If I can figure it out, anyone can. That's a problem.

 

[chmuse]

In that case, who wants to go in on a kilo of tirz?

Anhui Ruihan Technology - Coowor.com

Link won't load, but if it's raws it's not worth the trouble.

 

[PeptideJedi]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

That's what I believe..they are separate sales people acting as companies.. or maybe 2 or 3 acting as companies

 

[geoguy78]

That's what I believe..they are separate sales people acting as companies.. or maybe 2 or 3 acting as companies

Looks like they are all Anhui employees

 

[chmuse]

That's what I believe..they are separate sales people acting as companies.. or maybe 2 or 3 acting as companies

They might not even be different sales people. Think of how text based customer support works. Multiple screens/windows open at once to optimize for time.

 

[GtownBrown]

Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical which is one of the companies under indictment for selling fentanyl or precursors to Sinaloa

Discovered on another forum, not posting the link here so they don't disappear the evidence. Happy to discuss in private messages

It’s possible ASC is an actual manufacturer. I looked into Tuk’s email address once and it’s for a company called Angel Pet that manufactures pet foods and supplements. Or that could just be another branch on their corporate tree.

I think they have been popular up until now because of Tuk personally giving good service. Plus, the quality was consistent. I get the impression now that Tuk doesn’t have much control over what’s happening with the product right now.

 

[chmuse]

 

[keangkong]

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Thanks for posting this. We sometimes rapidly swing from liking a vendor to hating a vendor. Sometimes we act too quickly. Sorry for the stupid post but I make a few post if I want to become a Research Enthusiast again. Otherwise I can't comment in the Vendor section.

 

[zpped]

Thanks for posting this. We sometimes rapidly swing from liking a vendor to hating a vendor. Sometimes we act too quickly. Sorry for the stupid post but I make a few post if I want to become a Research Enthusiast again. Otherwise I can't comment in the Vendor section.

Save time and just hate every vendor.

 

[keangkong]

Save time and just hate every vendor.

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

 

[GimmeABreak]

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

Congrats. You made it back to "Research Enthusiast"! In my experience, it won't last more than a day or so though.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

I hate dealing with Tracy but I still buy from him….

 

[zpped]

If I hated every vendor, I'd never send any money to them. Then I would never receive any grey.

I give people I hate money all the time.

 

[hexagonal]

Seems like a reasonable response, but yeah, can understand the frustration when it feels like getting a response is taking a while.

I think with the nature of a lot of these companies being somewhat hazy in how they actually relate back to the original manufacturer of the raw product, there is likely to be some additional delay due to the communication happening between the two entities.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I give people I hate money all the time.

Ain’t that the truth

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

Seems like a reasonable response, but yeah, can understand the frustration when it feels like getting a response is taking a while.

I think with the nature of a lot of these companies being somewhat hazy in how they actually relate back to the original manufacturer of the raw product, there is likely to be some additional delay due to the communication happening between the two entities.

Krysia from the Swiss is slowly connecting the dots. Unfortunately it’s so convoluted I can’t follow it, but again we are dealing with literal drug dealers here.

 

[keangkong]

Krysia from the Swiss is slowly connecting the dots. Unfortunately it’s so convoluted I can’t follow it, but again we are dealing with literal drug dealers here.

Krysia shouldn't look too closely. There are some things I don't want to know.

 

[Yahooeeee]

This is the case that I think started the whole thing with ASC who were notified about this problem middle of Dec. They reluctantly agreed to reimburse the buyer the cost of the kit & testing but then never followed thru. Stairmaster got involved & tried to negotiate with them & when they continued to refuse to make it right that's when they got banned from Stairmaster's TG. The very next day after the banning, ASC put out his apology and agreed to reimburse everyone. The original buyer that had this test done got reimbursed the same day of the apology for the kit but never did get reimbursed for testing. The sad part is that ASC continued to sell this supposed AOD the whole time. The other case that I know of is a user that posted in Swiss and reviewed ASC and gave the details of the test results, which were exactly like this one & ASC refused the refund per the review. Raven had a GB & the same thing happened with the same results. This was just announced about a week ago. The GB happened 11-2024: AOD 5mg grey cap tested by Jano came back in 1-2025 Somatotropin 1.51mg. Vendor agreed to remake/reship. Raven has so far not disclosed the vendor.

 

[keangkong]

This is the case that I think started the whole thing with ASC who were notified about this problem middle of Dec. They reluctantly agreed to reimburse the buyer the cost of the kit & testing but then never followed thru. Stairmaster got involved & tried to negotiate with them & when they continued to refuse to make it right that's when they got banned from Stairmaster's TG. The very next day after the banning, ASC put out his apology and agreed to reimburse everyone. The original buyer that had this test done got reimbursed the same day of the apology for the kit but never did get reimbursed for testing. The sad part is that ASC continued to sell this supposed AOD the whole time. The other case that I know of is a user that posted in Swiss and reviewed ASC and gave the details of the test results, which were exactly like this one & ASC refused the refund per the review. Raven had a GB & the same thing happened with the same results. This was just announced about a week ago. The GB happened 11-2024: AOD 5mg grey cap tested by Jano came back in 1-2025 Somatotropin 1.51mg. Vendor agreed to remake/reship. Raven has so far not disclosed the vendor.

The weird thing is ASC has one of the best reputations among Chinese vendors. I do not subscribe to the philosophy that all Chinese vendors are equally trustworthy or untrustworthy. However, this shows that even when you pick on of the seemingly more reliable vendors, you still might get burned.