ASC banned from the StairwayToGray site

[keangkong]

StairMaster1 has banned ASC from the StairwayToGray Telegram site.

Stairmaster1 wrote:

We have banned ASC for

1. Not reshipping/ refunding a customer whose test showed an incorrect product was sent - member independently tested AOD at Janoshik and it wasn't AOD.

2. Not reshipping/refunding customers with LipoC pH issues (extremely acidic).

There are also reports of cloudy Reta, gelling NAO, and other product mishaps.

We reached out to ASC prior to banning to try to resolve the issues above, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

There's no point in having a purity guarantee if a vendor sends the wrong thing or a dangerous thing.

Every vendor makes mistakes, but how a vendor deals with them matters.

Vendors should reship or refund incorrect product.

 

[keangkong]

The whole thing seems quite stupid on ASC's part. ASC's had a loyal following despite having relatively high prices for a Chinese vendor. Prices like that might be worth it if the customer service and product are consistently great.

 

[flipout24]

The whole thing seems quite stupid on ASC's part. ASC's had a loyal following despite having relatively high prices for a Chinese vendor. Prices like that might be worth it if the customer service and product are consistently great.

I received NAD+ that was cloudy/gelling. Tuk was responsive to my concern and has indicated they are going to reship after the holiday, which I am fine with.

 

[notyourrobot]

I had an issue with an ASC order, and Tuk went above and beyond making it right, no questions asked. I'm kinda shocked to hear this, and would be curious to know more. I was hoping to get one more kit from her when the customs stuff blows over.

I guess nothing lasts forever, good or bad. Damn.

 

[geoguy78]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

 

[keangkong]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

I believe most, or all grey vendors, are resellers. I wouldn't use suspicion that someone is a reseller as ground for not buying from them.

 

[DevynL90]

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that ASC, GYC and a couple others are all just fronts for employees of the same company or group that's reselling. I wouldn't do business with any of them.

I believe most, or all grey vendors, are resellers. I wouldn't use suspicion that someone is a reseller as ground for not buying from them.

i think the issue is more so around these reselling vendors pretending to be their own thing when in reality they're all under the same umbrella management wise and are buying from the same suppliers and sometimes are even using the same crypto wallets.

it's like they're hedging their downsides. say GYC has a problem (like they did with the zero pep stuff), then ASC can pick up the slack since folks think it's a different company and thus safer/more reliable when in reality it's all the same people with the same inherent risk/downside of getting zero peps or insert whatever fuck up of the moment

 

[geoguy78]

I believe most, or all grey vendors, are resellers. I wouldn't use suspicion that someone is a reseller as ground for not buying from them.

Not all are created equal. Just my metrics, but having anabolic steroids on the menu is a good sign for me. Something weird about your product, like Amo's funky pucks and sting is another good sign for me. It's resellers getting hit with zero peps, and now the whole "plant dye" in the lipo-b. To each their own I guess.

 

[keangkong]

i think the issue is more so around these reselling vendors pretending to be their own thing when in reality they're all under the same umbrella management wise and are buying from the same suppliers and sometimes are even using the same crypto wallets.

it's like their hedging their downsides. say GYC has a problem (like they did with the zero pep stuff), then ASC can pick up the slack since folks think it's a different company and thus safer/more reliable when in reality it's all the same people with the same inherent risk/downside of getting zero peps (or insert whatever fuck up of the moment)

I don't believe they're all under the same management. They may well be, but I haven't seen anything so far suggesting that. It does seem that many of them are getting the peptides from the same place.

 

[keangkong]

I received NAD+ that was cloudy/gelling. Tuk was responsive to my concern and has indicated they are going to reship after the holiday, which I am fine with.

I'm not telling anyone not to shop with ASC. I'm putting information out there. While I have a high opinion of StairMaster1, I didn't get much detail as to exactly what happened.

 

[DevynL90]

I don't believe they're all under the same management. They may well be, but I haven't seen anything so far suggesting that. It does seem that many of them are getting the peptides from the same place.

ASC and QST shared the same crypto wallet which to me is essentially being caught red handed. i don't know if there's any argument that could convince me otherwise though so i'll drop it there for now.

 

[geoguy78]

ASC and QST shared the same crypto wallet which to me is essentially being caught red handed. i don't know if there's any argument that could convince me otherwise though so i'll drop it there for now.

Huge red flag for me

 

[normal]

ASC and QST shared the same crypto wallet which to me is essentially being caught red handed. i don't know if there's any argument that could convince me otherwise though so i'll drop it there for now.

i mean it doesnt really get much more obvious than that lmao

 

[rkl123]

Huge red flag for me

Why is it a redflag that they're resellers? (just a question if they're good resellers or not...seemingly ASC isn't good).

 

[Peachyp6369]

I don't believe they're all under the same management. They may well be, but I haven't seen anything so far suggesting that. It does seem that many of them are getting the peptides from the same place.

Three of them use the same BTC wallet

 

[geoguy78]

Why is it a redflag that they're resellers? (just a question if they're good resellers or not...seemingly ASC isn't good).

Red flag that they are using the same crypto wallets, yet pretending to be separate "companies".

 

[Nikki nik]

Red flag that they are using the same crypto wallets, yet pretending to be separate "companies".

Agree

 

[DevynL90]

Why is it a redflag that they're resellers? (just a question if they're good resellers or not...seemingly ASC isn't good).

it's not so much them being resellers that's the problem. it's basically the reverse of 3 kids in a trenchcoat here. they're all working for the same people but pretending to be different companies. that can cause all kinds of problems that are negative to the customer.

 

[geoguy78]

Exactly. Nothing wrong with reselling, but three "vendors" that are all really the same is just a whole lot of unnecessary deception that I don't want to get mixed up in. At least we know QSC has two different sales reps that have their own teams. If ASC's parent org just had three different sales teams Id be cool with it, but they are gaslighting the customers so the sales reps can be in competition with one another, or so they can hedge their bets, and I'm just not cool with that.

 

[clayd]

Turns out it appears that ASC /medsgogo / Tuk is a front for Anhui Ruihan chemical which is one of the companies under indictment for selling fentanyl or precursors to Sinaloa

Discovered on another forum, not posting the link here so they don't disappear the evidence. Happy to discuss in private messages