Best pep for building muscle and definition

[noggin]

It's also a controlled substance and runs similar risks to AAS from a legal standpoint.

It's actually super fucked from a legal standpoint because of how it's classified under FDA's Food, Drugs, and Cosmetic Act (As opposed to the Controlled Substances Act). Whereas possession of fentanyl could get you up to a year behind bars due to schedule 1 status, possession of HGH could put you in prison for up to 5 years for first offense. Luckily fentanyl is cracked down a lot harder on and looked over more harshly than HGH despite the laws being backwards.

 

[noggin]

Legitimate question, not trying to be mean, but why do people put any trust in the response from AI large language models? Do you actually know how they work? Have you ever noticed how regularly the top AI google result is just completely wrong?

I'm baffled at how many people talk about what Chat GPT told them and seem to have faith it will be correct. I'm not saying it isn't ever correct, but you can't put trust in it, you have to independently confrim any info. If you have to confirm anyway, what is the point in consulting it?

I take a chatgpt response with a little bit more faith than a tweet. It's not quite hard statistics or studies but it's good enough to work off of. What's great is that you can use ChatGPT to find sources (ask it to cite its sources) and you can get some good first hand material with much better accuracy in my experience than searching google scholar or pubmed.

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Ok dude what you need is a steroid cycle to build muscle. Peptides nit gonna do that for you.
Run a test E or C base at 500mgs a week and stack Deca 400mgs a week and 400 mgs of EQ. Hit the gym regularly least 3-4times a week and run this cycle for 12 weeks. I guarantee you will put on 10-15kgs of lean muscle.

 

[noggin]

Ok dude what you need is a steroid cycle to build muscle. Peptides nit gonna do that for you.
Run a test E or C base at 500mgs a week and stack Deca 400mgs a week and 400 mgs of EQ. Hit the gym regularly least 3-4times a week and run this cycle for 12 weeks. I guarantee you will put on 10-15kgs of lean muscle.

I'd be careful advising people to do deca lol, IMO more risky than even Trenbolone. Neurotoxic as well; lowers IQ.

 

[scarywood75]

I've ordered some ipamorelin and tesamorelin (separately, I'll mix).

Anyone tried this combo?

I plan to do 300mcg IPA and 1mg tesa, 5 days on, 2 days off, for 3 months.

 

[hexagonal]

I've ordered some ipamorelin and tesamorelin (separately, I'll mix).

Anyone tried this combo?

I plan to do 300mcg IPA and 1mg tesa, 5 days on, 2 days off, for 3 months.

Yes, while on reta and TRT.

I saw 3lb of visceral fat reduction on 300mcg IPA/2mg tesa on a 5/2 10 week schedule.

I also saw a significant increase in my insulin levels.

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Yeh I’ve done ipa/cjc non dac combo? I’ve also done tesamorelin but on its own. Also hgh on its own. Hgh gives the user such a great feeling. You name ive done it. Trt, mini blast, pct cycle, pedtides, etc

 

[rlane23]

Yes, while on reta and TRT.

I saw 3lb of visceral fat reduction on 300mcg IPA/2mg tesa on a 5/2 10 week schedule.

I also saw a significant increase in my insulin levels.

What was your diet like during the cycle and has your insulin returned to baseline?

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

tesa made me gain water weight. does ipamorelin do it too?

 

[hexagonal]

What was your diet like during the cycle and has your insulin returned to baseline?

Not super clean, but not awful. I was careful about spacing out the injections from eating as well.

tesa made me gain water weight. does ipamorelin do it too?

Likely. It will increase your HGH production.

 

[GnRHex]

I've ordered some ipamorelin and tesamorelin (separately, I'll mix).

Anyone tried this combo?

I plan to do 300mcg IPA and 1mg tesa, 5 days on, 2 days off, for 3 months.

I did CJC/IPa/Tesa which is not quite your program. I moved to Tesa in the latter half of the cycle. I am currently in a deload phase form the peps and my nervous system - I was able to push it in the gym every single workout, and my PR's kept going up.

My next cycle will look like the following:

Protocol
1. Split the protocol into three phases weeks 1-4, 5-8, 9-12.
2. Weeks 1-4
1. CJC 100ug Evening
2. IPA 200ug Evening
3. Weeks 5-8
1. CJC 100ug Morning, 100ug Evening
2. IPA 200ug Morning, 200ug Evening
4. Weeks 9-12
1. When working from home 2x a week:
1. CJC: 100ug Morning, Mid-Day Workout, Evening
2. IPA: 200ug 3x a day
2. When not at home, stick to schedule of weeks 5-8

I will do 5 days on, 2 days off, and this means each phase has 20 days.

1. Phase 1 : 1-4
1. CJC 100ug x 1 per day x 20 days = 20x 100= 2000mcg (2mg)
2. IPA 200ug x 1 per day x 20 days = 20 x 200 = 4000 mcg (4mg)
2. Phase 2 : 5-8
1. CJC 100ug x 2 per day x 20 = 4000mcg (4mg)
2. IPA 200ug x 2 per day x 20 = 8000mcg
3. Phase 3 : 9-12
1. CJC 100ug x 3 per day x 8 = 2400mcg (2.4mg)
2. IPA 200ug x 3 per day x 8 = 4800mcg
3. CJC 100ug x 2 per day x 12 = 2400mcg (2.4mg)
4. IPA 200ug x 2 per day x 12 = 4400mcg


I am sure these peps are nowhere near as potent as HGH or steroids, but my first run with these was definitely an experience. I wasnt as deliberate in my dosing or my calories. In this protocol, my calories will start at maintenance and I will track upwards with them over the 12 weeks. As my calories get close to 300 over maintenance I am intending to include AOD, to reduce the amount of fat gain. In the last phase I do intend to go full tilt with tesa at 1mg and have that continue after week 12 to 16 - I will reintroduce Reta at 12 too.

GnRHex.

 

[scarywood75]

I did CJC/IPa/Tesa which is not quite your program. I moved to Tesa in the latter half of the cycle. I am currently in a deload phase form the peps and my nervous system - I was able to push it in the gym every single workout, and my PR's kept going up.

My next cycle will look like the following:

Protocol
1. Split the protocol into three phases weeks 1-4, 5-8, 9-12.
2. Weeks 1-4
1. CJC 100ug Evening
2. IPA 200ug Evening
3. Weeks 5-8
1. CJC 100ug Morning, 100ug Evening
2. IPA 200ug Morning, 200ug Evening
4. Weeks 9-12
1. When working from home 2x a week:
1. CJC: 100ug Morning, Mid-Day Workout, Evening
2. IPA: 200ug 3x a day
2. When not at home, stick to schedule of weeks 5-8

I will do 5 days on, 2 days off, and this means each phase has 20 days.

1. Phase 1 : 1-4
1. CJC 100ug x 1 per day x 20 days = 20x 100= 2000mcg (2mg)
2. IPA 200ug x 1 per day x 20 days = 20 x 200 = 4000 mcg (4mg)
2. Phase 2 : 5-8
1. CJC 100ug x 2 per day x 20 = 4000mcg (4mg)
2. IPA 200ug x 2 per day x 20 = 8000mcg
3. Phase 3 : 9-12
1. CJC 100ug x 3 per day x 8 = 2400mcg (2.4mg)
2. IPA 200ug x 3 per day x 8 = 4800mcg
3. CJC 100ug x 2 per day x 12 = 2400mcg (2.4mg)
4. IPA 200ug x 2 per day x 12 = 4400mcg


I am sure these peps are nowhere near as potent as HGH or steroids, but my first run with these was definitely an experience. I wasnt as deliberate in my dosing or my calories. In this protocol, my calories will start at maintenance and I will track upwards with them over the 12 weeks. As my calories get close to 300 over maintenance I am intending to include AOD, to reduce the amount of fat gain. In the last phase I do intend to go full tilt with tesa at 1mg and have that continue after week 12 to 16 - I will reintroduce Reta at 12 too.

GnRHex.

Very good info thanks!

Yeah I don't take HGH either, where I live I can't get blood tests without prescription so I am gagging by the feel lol

 

[GnRHex]

Very good info thanks!

Yeah I don't take HGH either, where I live I can't get blood tests without prescription so I am gagging by the feel lol

I know people have opinions about "to build muscle? Steroids/HGH. Sure. And whilst on those you will absolutely have a different result, nobody is asking to cross the line into anabolics and that dangerous world. I can tell you I had a very good experience in my first push with these peptides, I definitely noticed things in the gym and out, and it was so good I decided I want to research again with them, going in a bit deeper, than trying something else - there are others, but they come with other issues like cortisol increase, insulin problems etc.

Good luck. I am starting that protocol above in Mid April.

I am not sure what your purpose is with researching these, but if it is to build muscle/burn fat, then I would also consider SLU-PP 332, BAM15 and heck....an SGLT-2 inhibitor with metformin. Problem with metformin is it is a limiter on mTOR, which is the opposite of what you want if you eat to build muscle on these peptides.

GnRHex.

 

[hexagonal]

AOD doesn't do anything. Mechanism of action that it works on in rodent studies does not exist in humans. Even the lead researcher that worked for the company that was developing the drug and ran their clinical trials has said this.

I also can't imagine a worldview where someone feels safer taking drugs with zero human studies like SLU-PP-332 or a mitochondrial uncoupler like BAM15 than HGH or AAS. There are AAS forums where discussion of uncouplers is banned because of how dangerous they are - places where people regularly run multiple grams of AAS per week.

I don't mean to be rude, but your improved gym performance on secreteagogues is almost certainly from your mental state rather than anything chemical from them, too. Even higher dose HGH is a long term thing - muscle mass increases from HGH alone is quite minimal without the feedback loops from AAS usage, and primarily functions based on satellite cell proliferation. These aren't short term impacts and HGH lacks the CNS adaptations that some AAS have that allows for short term rapid strength growth.