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Is it possible that my body has just stopped responding to any type of GLP1 medication?

I was on Wegovy for a while - over a year. Had amazing success then my insurance stopped covering it. Was off it for about 5 weeks then started compound semaglutide. Didn’t work so I switched to Tirz peptides. Still nothing so I just added (this week) 1 mg of Survoduride.

I do get sulfur burbs but literally no cessation of food noise or appetite. I’m ravenous and gaining weight. I worked SO hard to lose the weight (I lost over 100 before taking the wegovy) and I’m terrified of gaining it all back.

I did also try cagri but it just made me so exhausted,I was falling asleep at work.

I’d love any ideas. Thank you!
 
Not sure on your timelines for the Tirz or sema, but it may just be you are having to ramp up to a dose that is effective.
100% opinion only based on much I have read, but it is my understanding for many the first starting dosages do not help for many people and they need to get up to larger doses.
Need more information on your dosing to even comment really, but if you just started back at 2.5/5/7.5 or whatever you may need to slowly titrate up to a higher dose to have the effect you are looking for.
Also, I understand sema does more for food noise than Tirz so you may be getting benefits eventually that have not kicked in yet. I cannot speak towards the cagri
 
Not sure on your timelines for the Tirz or sema, but it may just be you are having to ramp up to a dose that is effective.
100% opinion only based on much I have read, but it is my understanding for many the first starting dosages do not help for many people and they need to get up to larger doses.
Need more information on your dosing to even comment really, but if you just started back at 2.5/5/7.5 or whatever you may need to slowly titrate up to a higher dose to have the effect you are looking for.
Also, I understand sema does more for food noise than Tirz so you may be getting benefits eventually that have not kicked in yet. I cannot speak towards the cagri
Thanks for responding!

Since switching to Tirz, I’ve done two weeks at 7.5 and then this week went up to 10mg.
 
It is odd that you had so much success with sema name brand but not compound.
I am far from an expert on this, but some combine sema and tirz for the food noise.
I would suggest other diet based recommendations, but after losing 100lbs this is not your first rodeo.
I would love to see what others say.
 
According to this article, you may want to ask your doctor to add phentermine or Qsymia (phentermine/topiramate):
Several strategies can be used to help patients break through a plateau. One is to try multiple weight loss agents with different targets — something often done in the real world, Stanford said. "You don't see this in the studies, which are focused on just one drug, but many of our patients are on combination therapy. They're on a GLP-1 drug plus phentermine/topiramate plus metformin, and more. They're usually on three, four, five drugs, similar to what we would see with resistant hypertension."

If a patient plateaus on a GLP-1 drug, Stanford might add phentermine. When the patient reaches a plateau on phentermine, she would switch again to another agent. "The goal is to use agents that treat different receptors in the brain," she said. "You would never use two GLP-1 agonists; you would use the GLP-1, and then something that treats norepinephrine, for example."

I have not tried Qsymia myself, but it seems very promising. It is a combination of phentermine and topiramate that can be taken long-term, unlike phentermine (which is given at a higher dose when taken by itself).

(There is also a savings program for Qsymia, including direct pricing for home delivery: "After benefits verification, if Qsymia is not covered, the cash price is $98 across all doses and product packs." "$98 home delivery pharmacy pricing includes 6-week New Patient Packs, 6-week Titration Packs and all 30-day prescriptions. Additional shipping and handling costs will apply.")
 
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Reta does come to mind since it can be stimulating (and raise heart rate) like phentermine. So that may be worth trying the next time there is money to burn 🙂

But a non-GLP I came across is teso (tablets), which is stimulating like phentermine but can be taken longer-term:



Tesomet, which apparently ran out of funding, combined teso with metoprolol:


Another option is OTC continuous glucose monitoring. But the problem is still the cost, at about $100 a month:
1200 bucks a year? i'd rather spend that on shit i can inject.

Since I am responding well to tirz, the only tech I use is my Fitbit (which is good for monitoring resting heart rate if I ever try reta).

Regarding cost, phentermine (or metformin) may be the cheapest way to augment for now, at least with approved meds. But I would be
tempted to go with teso instead: "At the conclusion of phase II clinical trials, Saniona announced that tesofensine was well tolerated with low incidence of adverse events, low increase in heart rate and no significant effect on blood pressure."

(I would also get some new bloodwork done to check A1c, lipids, etc., such as to see if they are still responding to the GLP-1s.)

More info, including on teso, tesa, and other goodies:

 
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Now that millions of people have used the drugs, several obesity experts told The Associated Press that perhaps 20% of patients — as many as 1 in 5 — may not respond well to the medications. It’s a little-known consequence of the obesity drug boom, according to doctors who caution eager patients not to expect one-size-fits-all results...

Medical conditions such as sleep apnea can prevent weight loss, as can certain common medications, such as antidepressants, steroids and contraceptives.

“This is a disease that stems from the brain,” said Stanford. “The dysfunction may not be the same” from patient to patient...

Trying a different version of the new class of drugs may help. Griffin, who didn’t respond well to Wegovy, has started using Zepbound, which targets an additional hormone pathway in the body. After three months of using the drug, she has lost 7 pounds.

“I’m hoping it’s slow and steady,” she said.

Other people respond well to older drugs, the experts said. Changing diet, exercise, sleep and stress habits can also have profound effects. Figuring out what works typically requires a doctor trained to treat obesity, Saunders noted.

“Obesity is such a complex disease that really needs to be treated very comprehensively,” she said. “If what we’re prescribing doesn’t work, we always have a backup plan.”
 
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(I lost over 100 before taking the wegovy)

This may be applicable then:
Those who have made healthy lifestyle changes and already lost weight likely don’t get that much added bonus from the medications.

A reminder:
Individuals who cannot tolerate the highest doses of semaglutide or tirzepatide may find it hard to achieve the substantial weight loss reported in the clinical trials by using those drugs alone.

Another alternative:
The addition of bupropion/naltrexone to glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1) receptor agonists leads to a further 4%-5% total body weight loss (TBWL) in patients with obesity, including those who show a poor response to initial GLP-1 monotherapy.
 
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Is it possible that my body has just stopped responding to any type of GLP1 medication?

I was on Wegovy for a while - over a year. Had amazing success then my insurance stopped covering it. Was off it for about 5 weeks then started compound semaglutide. Didn’t work so I switched

I’d love any ideas. Thank you!
I suppose if this were Reddit the down vote would come in handy here...

These peptides are not like wine. They don't have nuance or different notes. Wegovy is Semaglutide. If you have bonafide versions of both at the same dose they are interchangeable.

I check glucose daily and whether it's been Mounjaro, Amo, QSC, SRY, TUK, Nexaph and other's tirzepatide only one yielded better average glucose and when I checked the test sho'nuff it was overfilled.

I think you might be beating your GLP with your mind saying this gray can't be as good as the expensive stuff.

Or you are an exception. Going from "amazing success" to "didn't work" does not jive.
 
I think it's more complicated than nocebo, e.g. "I lost over 100 before taking the wegovy."
 
For the price, I would not buy tesofensine. I would just Clenbuterol or Modafinil or Armodafinil from India that’s actually produced by a reputable drug company.

Or, add some Metformin to the mix. It has several health benefits.
 
The Clenbuterol looks interesting. One guy put it this way: "It sheds weight like a dog sheds fur."
I get 40mcg tablets and only take half. It gives me insane mental clarity and endurance. I highly advise not taking it unless you have some physical activity planned though or you get the shakes.

The only peptide I’ve tried that’s even close is AICAR. Definitely doesn’t give the shakes but the endurance is pretty cool.
 
I suppose if this were Reddit the down vote would come in handy here...

These peptides are not like wine. They don't have nuance or different notes. Wegovy is Semaglutide. If you have bonafide versions of both at the same dose they are interchangeable.

I check glucose daily and whether it's been Mounjaro, Amo, QSC, SRY, TUK, Nexaph and other's tirzepatide only one yielded better average glucose and when I checked the test sho'nuff it was overfilled.

I think you might be beating your GLP with your mind saying this gray can't be as good as the expensive stuff.

Or you are an exception. Going from "amazing success" to "didn't work" does not jive.
Perhaps it is a mental thing. I’m not sure. I just know that I went from 232 to 170 on Wegovy, but since I stopped that back in August of 2024, I’m back up to 202.
 
Some other options include going to a 5-day schedule:


But hopefully the survo you added will do the trick sooner or later.

It makes sense that survo + tirz = reta:

Google Gemini said:
Survodutide (Survo) + Tirzepatide (Tirz) = Retatrutide (Reta)

  • Survodutide (Survo) is a dual agonist of the GLP-1 and glucagon receptors.
  • Tirzepatide (Tirz) is a dual agonist of the GLP-1 and GIP receptors.
  • Retatrutide (Reta) is a triple agonist of the GLP-1, GIP, and glucagon receptors, essentially combining the actions of survodutide and tirzepatide in a single molecule.
 
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Experience of a non-traditional responder:

To say that it’s super individualized is an understatement. I took brand name Ozempic for 5 months and lost no weight while feeling like complete garbage for the whole 5 months. Then I switched to grey market tirz for 4 months and felt better but didn’t lose any weight until I added phentermine for appetite suppression.

I stopped the tirz because it wasn’t working and switched to Contrave over some blood pressure concerns. I had crazy side effects to contrave AND gained weight on it so I decided to order some Reta and use up the last bottle of tirz that I ordered last year just to get back into the swing of things. For some bizarre reason, I’m having fantastic appetite suppression without phentermine on this bottle of tirz; it only starts to wear off on day 6/7.

Now a month later I have 400mg of Reta in hand and I’m wishing I had ordered tirz instead because I’m down 5lbs this month. So here’s to hoping that Reta works well for me and I don’t need to keep my appointment with my doc next month to get more phentermine.
 
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For the price, I would not buy tesofensine. I would just Clenbuterol or Modafinil or Armodafinil from India that’s actually produced by a reputable drug company.

Or, add some Metformin to the mix. It has several health benefits.
How does one find this India market that you speak of and how do I find out how to avoid?
 
Some other options include going to a 5-day schedule:


But hopefully the survo you added will do the trick sooner or later.

It makes sense that survo + tirz = reta:
survo + tirz is my current stack. I was doing Triz+Cargi and Reta+Cargi 4/days later as suggested by another board member. But I found its easier to do Triz and Survo on a more regular basis.
 
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According to this article, you may want to ask your doctor to add phentermine or Qsymia (phentermine/topiramate):


I have not tried Qsymia myself, but it seems very promising. It is a combination of phentermine and topiramate that can be taken long-term, unlike phentermine (which is given at a higher dose when taken by itself).

(There is also a savings program for Qsymia, including direct pricing for home delivery: "After benefits verification, if Qsymia is not covered, the cash price is $98 across all doses and product packs." "$98 home delivery pharmacy pricing includes 6-week New Patient Packs, 6-week Titration Packs and all 30-day prescriptions. Additional shipping and handling costs will apply.")
I just had a doctor suggest stacking it with Sema to get the last 30 pounds off. So I did a search for any mentions of Qsymia. I was also considering Tesifensine
 
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Since switching to Tirz, I’ve done two weeks at 7.5 and then this week went up to 10mg.

From the research I’ve read and anecdotal accounts online, it would seem that prior use of a glp-1 appears to require higher levels of the new glp-1 to achieve results when some time has spent off the first medication. Since you had success on Wegovy, I personally would keep titrating up on the tirzepatide. You’ve only been on tirzepatide for 3 weeks…And only recently taken 10mg. You have a lot of room to increase your dosing.
 
Is it possible that my body has just stopped responding to any type of GLP1 medication?

I was on Wegovy for a while - over a year. Had amazing success then my insurance stopped covering it. Was off it for about 5 weeks then started compound semaglutide. Didn’t work so I switched to Tirz peptides. Still nothing so I just added (this week) 1 mg of Survoduride.

I do get sulfur burbs but literally no cessation of food noise or appetite. I’m ravenous and gaining weight. I worked SO hard to lose the weight (I lost over 100 before taking the wegovy) and I’m terrified of gaining it all back.

I did also try cagri but it just made me so exhausted,I was falling asleep at work.

I’d love any ideas. Thank you!
I do not know if the original poster is still around or has sorted this problem out or not, but anyway.
Restarting or changing GLP medications once you have already lost 100 pounds, is a totally different physiological state to starting them before losing weight. I think it is important to understand this issue otherwise the effects over time do not seem to make sense and it seems like they stop working, or you develop tolerance, which is not what is happening. And I see people getting stuck in this logic trap all the time on this forum.
When you start to lose weight your body is used to a high caloric intake, and has a much higher than normal metabolic rate due to increased weight and increased wastage of excess calories as heat. So that at the start weight loss is rapid, especially if you are severely overweight.
After losing that much weight , your body reacts by conserving energy, dropping resting metabolic rate. Calories consumed by your body per day goes down quite a lot just from losing the weight, but then on top of that you get metabolic adaptation to chronic starvation reducing calories consumed per day by quite a lot more.
When I was losing weight I ate the same number of calories per day at the start and at the end, about 1600 to 1800 kcal/day. At the start I lost exactly 6 kilograms per month from 145 kg to about 90kg , then with no change in diet weight loss gradually slowed down and finally stopped at about 75kg.
Unfortunately that is not the only problem. As you lose weight hunger increases as well . It is this combination of lowered metabolic requirements , so that you have to eat a fair bit less than normal to maintain the lower weight , plus more hunger than normal that makes keeping weight off long term really hard.
So whether you were taking GLP medications to lose the weight or not, you are still in this state after losing weight.
If you stay on the medication or change it to another it will seem like it is not working , as you are no longer losing weight and you are more hungry, but if you are not putting weight back on then it is actually working perfectly. At best Tirzepatide can cause about 25% weight loss on average, so if that 100 pounds was 25% of your start weight then it has worked as well as the average, and 50% of people taking it will lose less than 25%, and 50 % will lose more.
If you are on maximum dose of 15mg a week and gaining weight then there are no good easy answers, other than experimenting with higher doses or combining GLP medications like adding cagrilintide. Or some of the other suggestions in this thread.
I only started GLP medications a year after losing most of my excess weight so I have personal experience of this state, and they help a lot to keep hunger under control and reduce or prevent weight regain better than anything else ever has before. But they are not perfect and for people with more severe obesity they do not entirely solve the problem , but they do help, and 25% less overweight is a lot better than 0% less overweight.
 
I suppose if this were Reddit the down vote would come in handy here...

I have to admit that I’ve spent too much time on Reddit in the compound tirzepatide subreddit and these types of posts would drive me crazy and part the reason I no longer frequent that sub. OP basically on tirzepatide 3 weeks and not at highest dose and no results…. At least OP is on 10mg. The ones that truly drive me bananas is the microdose folks that complain about no results 🤷🏻‍♂️….
 
Is it possible that my body has just stopped responding to any type of GLP1 medication?

I was on Wegovy for a while - over a year. Had amazing success then my insurance stopped covering it. Was off it for about 5 weeks then started compound semaglutide. Didn’t work so I switched to Tirz peptides. Still nothing so I just added (this week) 1 mg of Survoduride.

I do get sulfur burbs but literally no cessation of food noise or appetite. I’m ravenous and gaining weight. I worked SO hard to lose the weight (I lost over 100 before taking the wegovy) and I’m terrified of gaining it all back.

I did also try cagri but it just made me so exhausted,I was falling asleep at work.

I’d love any ideas. Thank you!
I had the same experience with Reta.
I used it for about a year, starting with 1mg a week.
I reached my "sweat spot" of 5mg a week, where I lost about 22kg in total over this period of time.
But the greatest thing was the body recomposition (training with weights almost every day and trying to eat as well as possible).
I returned to the athlete's physique I had about 7-8 years ago before I got chronically ill and gained weight due to all that this brought to me and my life.
After about a year on Reta from 1 to 5mg a week, I started to "stall" and increased the doses to 7.5mg a week until reaching 10mg a week, but I no longer saw any benefits, only problems related to my delicate physical condition, and I had to stop it.

so I switched to tirze, up to 5mg a week here too for another 6 months or so without any benefit or results, on the contrary, I lost lean mass and put on water/fat.

so I also stopped with the tirze, I started the mazdutide, I have been increasing the dose for about 2 months, week after week starting from 0.25mg to get to 5mg a week and then continue with this dose and see if there will be results.

I'm currently at 3mg and up and haven't seen any drop in body fat, just some mental benefits, it keeps me from overeating or having cravings of any kind, plus it's gotten rid of some addictions (good!)

I'm aware that I'll see a drop in body fat (hopefully) when I stabilize the dose, not right now, so we'll see later if I get the desired results (also because in the meantime I've gone back to the weight I was about 2 years ago - a lot of wasted work and time and money, basically).

oh, just for completeness, before starting the reta, more or less 2.5 years ago, I tried sema but I was inexperienced and I increased the dose too quickly (at the time I was totally virgin from glp-1s) and the sides suffocated me, so even though I had good weight loss results, I also had to stop the sema because the sides were too heavy to manage.
 
From the research I’ve read and anecdotal accounts online, it would seem that prior use of a glp-1 appears to require higher levels of the new glp-1 to achieve results when some time has spent off the first medication. Since you had success on Wegovy, I personally would keep titrating up on the tirzepatide. You’ve only been on tirzepatide for 3 weeks…And only recently taken 10mg. You have a lot of room to increase your dosing.

If we find out that it's not a physiological thing, I'll bet we're going to find out that "it's less effective the second time you go on it" has to do with "the first time you go on it, you figure it's magic because of all the hype, and as soon as you go on it, you get hit with placebo magic long before you're even at an effective dose, which carries you all the way into where the effective dose happens."

I'm super susceptible to placebo effect, something I do absolutely NOTHING to combat, because bring it on. My very first shot of 2.2 tirz, within three hours I felt very different, and I lost a large amount of my weight before I even hit 5 mg. I'm on 8 mg now, and if I discontinued for months and then came back to 2.2, I wouldn't feel like that was much or likely to be effective because I think of effective as my current dose, 8, so I'm sure it WOULDN'T be the same (for me) the second time.
 
Perhaps it is a mental thing. I’m not sure. I just know that I went from 232 to 170 on Wegovy, but since I stopped that back in August of 2024, I’m back up to 202.
Have you since been able to get back to loosing ?
 

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