COA Mismatch on Order – Vendor Swapped to Different COA, What Would You Do?

[DjJoshua]

Hey everyone, I paid extra for faster shipping by ordering "Item X" (5mg) from a vendor with USA warehouse stock. When it arrived:
The vial had a different color cap than shown on the original COA I was sent (which matched 10mg).
The plastic box label said 5mg, which is what I ordered.
But the original COA was clearly for 10mg.

Vendor's response: "It's all good, that's what you ordered." Then they sent me a brand-new COA from a completely different lab AND company name altogether, claiming this now matches what I received. I get that vendors sometimes fill from whatever batch is available when low, and mismatches happen in this space. I've always third-party tested my peptides anyway (and yeah, sometimes I do a tiny test dose while waiting for results)

Question for the group, Should I just send this one off for my own independent third-party testing to verify purity/quantity and move on if it checks out? Or is the COA swap/red flag and avoid this vendor going forward? Has anyone dealt with similar COA switches or label mismatches? How did you handle it? Appreciate any advice or experiences trying to stay safe and smart with this stuff.
Thanks!

 

[Gr33dyOctopus]

Oh hell no. Please dm me that vendor, dont want any part of all that and will block and not do business with them.
They needed to say sorry, and ship you the correct vials ( color caps and all ) as well as rhe up to date coa. Just hell to the no that sucks dude im sorry.

 

[PunkN]

I would also like to know who. That is not something I would be ok with.

 

[DjJoshua]

ill let you know Via privet mail, I do not want to throw them under the bus publicly.

 

[HereKittyKitty]

Hey everyone, I paid extra for faster shipping by ordering "Item X" (5mg) from a vendor with USA warehouse stock. When it arrived:
The vial had a different color cap than shown on the original COA I was sent (which matched 10mg).
The plastic box label said 5mg, which is what I ordered.
But the original COA was clearly for 10mg.

Vendor's response: "It's all good, that's what you ordered." Then they sent me a brand-new COA from a completely different lab AND company name altogether, claiming this now matches what I received. I get that vendors sometimes fill from whatever batch is available when low, and mismatches happen in this space. I've always third-party tested my peptides anyway (and yeah, sometimes I do a tiny test dose while waiting for results)

Question for the group, Should I just send this one off for my own independent third-party testing to verify purity/quantity and move on if it checks out? Or is the COA swap/red flag and avoid this vendor going forward? Has anyone dealt with similar COA switches or label mismatches? How did you handle it? Appreciate any advice or experiences trying to stay safe and smart with this stuff.
Thanks!

Please name the vendor.

This is 1000000% NOT ok.

 

[Habibibi]

Hey everyone, I paid extra for faster shipping by ordering "Item X" (5mg) from a vendor with USA warehouse stock. When it arrived:
The vial had a different color cap than shown on the original COA I was sent (which matched 10mg).
The plastic box label said 5mg, which is what I ordered.
But the original COA was clearly for 10mg.

Vendor's response: "It's all good, that's what you ordered." Then they sent me a brand-new COA from a completely different lab AND company name altogether, claiming this now matches what I received. I get that vendors sometimes fill from whatever batch is available when low, and mismatches happen in this space. I've always third-party tested my peptides anyway (and yeah, sometimes I do a tiny test dose while waiting for results)

Question for the group, Should I just send this one off for my own independent third-party testing to verify purity/quantity and move on if it checks out? Or is the COA swap/red flag and avoid this vendor going forward? Has anyone dealt with similar COA switches or label mismatches? How did you handle it? Appreciate any advice or experiences trying to stay safe and smart with this stuff.
Thanks!

I would request a resend as refund. Preferably a refund.

 

[Estarossa19]

I'd like a dm of the vendor name as well if you don't mind!

 

[HereKittyKitty]

Poor DJ is going to be pm'ing all night long!

 

[DjJoshua]

Poor DJ is going to be pm'ing all night long!

If it helps a pinch ill brew up some coffee, I'm studying for my privet pilot license tonight so i'm up. plus looking at airplanes to buy. (small ones) and the more weight from GLP's I loose the more people I can bring up in my plane lol....

 

[randompersonrandom]

Gray Asіx had a COA for NAD+ that said PGB on it. I didn't worry a ton about it, because I've always figured Gray Asіx is probably buying kits from Uther and PGB and selling them single at a markup, which is honestly fine with me. But I don't think I'd call that "good practice."

 

[DjJoshua]

Gray Asіx had a COA for NAD+ that said PGB on it. I didn't worry a ton about it, because I've always figured Gray Asіx is probably buying kits from Uther and PGB and selling them single at a markup, which is honestly fine with me. But I don't think I'd call that "good practice."

Right on, I guess I am over thinking it. Like , What If the vial is 21% over full or under filled what would my dose be.. I also understand where we are buying these things from. Most my 3rd party testing has came back very GOOD. plus overfilled lol..

 

[randompersonrandom]

Right on, I guess I am over thinking it. Like , What If the vial is 21% over full or under filled what would my dose be.. I also understand where we are buying these things from. Most my 3rd party testing has came back very GOOD. plus overfilled lol..

Yep, I go back and forth. I mean, on the one hand, I should be more careful. On the other hand, I clearly was not in a "very careful" headspace when I did that; I only used Gray Asіx cause @Calm Logic or one of my other internet-friends mentioned they liked them, and because their website was well-orgnized and clear, and I feel like these are not solid metrics for me going "eh, it's fine." 😀

(I had a perfectly fine experience with G.A., for what it's worth)

 

[HereKittyKitty]

If it helps a pinch ill brew up some coffee, I'm studying for my privet pilot license tonight so i'm up. plus looking at airplanes to buy. (small ones) and the more weight from GLP's I loose the more people I can bring up in my plane lol....

Cool on your pilots license!

I know a lot of people think it's so great to get an overfill. A variance +/- 5% is acceptable. Anything else is bad manufacturing, imho.

 

[CNCCurrency]

Cool on your pilots license!

I know a lot of people think it's so great to get an overfill. A variance +/- 5% is acceptable. Anything else is bad manufacturing, imho.

I love over fills, as long as I know how much. Who doesn't like a bonus? Never mind there are a few Karen's on here

 

[FarmgirlRebel]

Same thing happened to me with a vendor (not one from here). Completely different cap etc...they said it was fine. I did end up sending in a vial, just to double check and it was good. But yes, looking at purchasing elsewhere in the future.

 

[lessthanhalf]

I do not really understand what the vendor has done wrong here except send the wrong COA in the first place. If you had seen the 10mg COA ( before you ordered?) and ordered the 5mg kit, I do not see how the vendors can know in advance that you would have a problem, given that most customers just want to see some evidence that they are bothering testing anything at all. If you were concerned about the COA matching your order then why did you not request the COA that matched your order 5mg?, before the order was made? If they sent you the COA they sent you for the 5mg kit before you ordered it, would you have been happy with it? If so then why does it matter if you got it after you got the 5mg kit? Or am I just misunderstanding what happened? Is it just that the second COA had a different company name on it ? If you have the funds to test the batch then that would solve the problem, but an expensive way to get 50mg of tested compound X.

 

[DjJoshua]

I do not really understand what the vendor has done wrong here except send the wrong COA in the first place. If you had seen the 10mg COA ( before you ordered?) and ordered the 5mg kit, I do not see how the vendors can know in advance that you would have a problem, given that most customers just want to see some evidence that they are bothering testing anything at all. If you were concerned about the COA matching your order then why did you not request the COA that matched your order 5mg?, before the order was made? If they sent you the COA they sent you for the 5mg kit before you ordered it, would you have been happy with it? If so then why does it matter if you got it after you got the 5mg kit? Or am I just misunderstanding what happened? Is it just that the second COA had a different company name on it ? If you have the funds to test the batch then that would solve the problem, but an expensive way to get 50mg of tested compound X.

The main issue for me isn't just the initial wrong COA (10 mg instead of 5 mg) that's a common slip-up I guess. The real red flag is what happened next:
They dismissed your concern ("it's all good").
Then sent a brand-new COA from a completely different lab/company, claiming it now matches.

This looks like a cover-up tactic (common in grey-market peptides): swapping paperwork after the fact instead of admitting a mismatch or providing the correct batch-specific COA upfront. If they'd sent the second (different-lab) COA before I ordered and it looked legit, most people would have been fine. The post-shipment switch and denial make it suspicious. That all. and maybe I'm over reacting. This is why i'm asking

 

[yrrdead]

The main issue for me isn't just the initial wrong COA (10 mg instead of 5 mg) that's a common slip-up I guess. The real red flag is what happened next:
They dismissed your concern ("it's all good").
Then sent a brand-new COA from a completely different lab/company, claiming it now matches.

This looks like a cover-up tactic (common in grey-market peptides): swapping paperwork after the fact instead of admitting a mismatch or providing the correct batch-specific COA upfront. If they'd sent the second (different-lab) COA before I ordered and it looked legit, most people would have been fine. The post-shipment switch and denial make it suspicious. That all. and maybe I'm over reacting. This is why i'm asking

Just order from Binh, then you never have to deal with any CoA.......

 

[lessthanhalf]

That makes sense. I do think they genuinely don't care, as far as they are concerned it is all fine, and the testing is just to keep the customers happy. I am assuming they are approaching this as a get rich quick business plan that is sort of legal rather than from a health care provisioning type of thinking , where you absolutely must never ever make mistakes like get the wrong peptide in a vial or the wrong dose. It seems to work surprisingly well , at least on this forum people getting the wrong drug or doses that are off by a lot just does not seem to happen much. Some of the non GLP peptides might be acting more like placebos so getting the wrong peptide might not be always noticed, but getting a GLP that was 50% higher in dose or a different one would mostly be obvious, or worse still getting insulin instead of semaglutide and ending up in intensive care, which was in a paper I saw recently. If you can find a vendor that does seem to actually care about testing and matching tests to batches, that is perfect but not easy to find.
The problem is not much of a problem if you have the resources to test everything, which is always going to be the safest approach by far, or are organised enough to join a group test, but a lot of people like me do not have the funds to spend, and are not that organised and just take the 1 in a 1000 or 1 in 10000 risk of major errors in labelling or contamination etc.

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Hey everyone, I paid extra for faster shipping by ordering "Item X" (5mg) from a vendor with USA warehouse stock. When it arrived:
The vial had a different color cap than shown on the original COA I was sent (which matched 10mg).
The plastic box label said 5mg, which is what I ordered.
But the original COA was clearly for 10mg.

Vendor's response: "It's all good, that's what you ordered." Then they sent me a brand-new COA from a completely different lab AND company name altogether, claiming this now matches what I received. I get that vendors sometimes fill from whatever batch is available when low, and mismatches happen in this space. I've always third-party tested my peptides anyway (and yeah, sometimes I do a tiny test dose while waiting for results)

Question for the group, Should I just send this one off for my own independent third-party testing to verify purity/quantity and move on if it checks out? Or is the COA swap/red flag and avoid this vendor going forward? Has anyone dealt with similar COA switches or label mismatches? How did you handle it? Appreciate any advice or experiences trying to stay safe and smart with this stuff.
Thanks!

Unless you were relying specifically on independent third-party testing that had confirmed the mass and purity of the "batch" you thought you were buying when you placed your order, IMHO this is much ado about nothing.

Inventory changes. Sales reps don't just have 5000 vials from "batch a" sitting on their desk that they can constantly monitor and confirm the instant the last vial is sold and then immediately update/revise all of their ads/posts and stop taking orders before moving on to "batch b".

Relying solely on vendor tests for making purchase decisions is unwise.

Frankly I would have more faith in a vendor that shipped a different "batch" of product with different test results than simply having the child labor on the production line keep using the same color cap so customers remain blissfully ignorant to the fact it's not the same "batch".

 

[RetCurious]

ill let you know Via privet mail, I do not want to throw them under the bus publicly.

They're pulling shady 💩, they have no right to privacy and your fellow rats need to know for their own safety. Lack of concern for precise information and product is dangerous.

 

[DjJoshua]

They're pulling shady 💩, they have no right to privacy and your fellow rats need to know for their own safety. Lack of concern for precise information and product is dangerous.

My goodness....

 

[ZippityDooDah]

I'm studying for my privet pilot license tonight so i'm up. plus looking at airplanes to buy. (small ones)

Buy a Mooney. And only a Mooney. You'll thank me later.

The main issue for me isn't just the initial wrong COA (10 mg instead of 5 mg) that's a common slip-up I guess. The real red flag is what happened next:
They dismissed your concern ("it's all good").
Then sent a brand-new COA from a completely different lab/company, claiming it now matches.

This looks like a cover-up tactic (common in grey-market peptides): swapping paperwork after the fact instead of admitting a mismatch or providing the correct batch-specific COA upfront. If they'd sent the second (different-lab) COA before I ordered and it looked legit, most people would have been fine. The post-shipment switch and denial make it suspicious. That all. and maybe I'm over reacting. This is why i'm asking

You're way over-thinking this. Most of these sales reps are literally warm bodies in a boiler room with no idea what's actually going on with what they're selling. There's a good chance that at the same time they're talking to you, they are selling knock-off iPhones, handbags, and Air Jordans on their other twelve WhatsApp accounts.

 

[BellyD]

ill let you know Via privet mail, I do not want to throw them under the bus publicly.

Always hold the sellers accountable.
This isn't about throwing them under the bus.
This is about maintaining thorough and safety representation of each vendor.

 

[DjJoshua]

Buy a Mooney. And only a Mooney. You'll thank me later.

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You're way over-thinking this. Most of these sales reps are literally warm bodies in a boiler room with no idea what's actually going on with what they're selling. There's a good chance that at the same time they're talking to you, they are selling knock-off iPhones, handbags, and Air Jordans on their other twelve WhatsApp accounts.

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I 100% LOVE the Mooney M20. I would love to get a hold of one of these after a few years of flying in a 172.

 

[indolent]

I guess I am over thinking it.

No. You're magical-thinking it. You'd really like to believe that a vendor's CoA means anything, even if it matches the vial colors. But it doesn't, and it didn't, so the swap is the same null value.

It's too bad Discord knocked out posted databases of legitimate third-party group tests (which would never be relied upon anyway if the vendor is the conduit or otherwise involved), but maybe if you post the details here someone can dig around.

[I'm still unclear on whether the kit box you received is labeled 5mg or 10mg.]

 

[Habibibi]

They're pulling shady 💩, they have no right to privacy and your fellow rats need to know for their own safety. Lack of concern for precise information and product is dangerous.

Ah ssa. They were so loved by everyone, even though they clearly didn't care about batch identification, and said so. The same batch could have different cap colors, same batch number. Or same cap color, different batch numbers. Or the crap you see in the attached image.

 

[tubby]

Buy a Mooney. And only a Mooney. You'll thank me later.

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You're way over-thinking this. Most of these sales reps are literally warm bodies in a boiler room with no idea what's actually going on with what they're selling. There's a good chance that at the same time they're talking to you, they are selling knock-off iPhones, handbags, and Air Jordans on their other twelve WhatsApp accounts.

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Are you suggesting that the person who calls me honey all the time may not be the attractive woman pictured in the ad copy?
Somehow that seems like a far bigger betrayal than them selling out of the batch ordered and sending the next one in line.