Dedicated Hospira Bac Water Updates

[BigDog8084]

I n j e c t i on 😉, hope this is legal. If not, please delete.

 

[BlueDog55]

Yes, it was given to me as advice from a more experienced peptide enthousiast here at the forum when I was very new at this and couldn't find Hospira BAC in The Netherlands.

I'm a person that likes to be able to procure supplies and DIY a lot. I like to be as informed and independent as I can be 😉
I'm collecting a shipment from my DHL packstation in Germany tomorrow with a box of Ampuwa 50ml glass sterile water bottles.
I plan to gift them to friends that are starting peps because of me 🙂
I have reconstituted several vials with my DIY BAC water without any problems.

Where is the best place to find the recipe and process?

Thanks

 

[TazaTaza]

The person that gave me the advice on how to make your own BAC water did just that.
He sent several vials with peps reconstituted with his homemade BAC to Janoshik and the CoA was fine...

I'm patiently waiting for you to drop the legit 3P COAs that also include endotoxin and sterility testing? Where is the COA, show me the proof if you're making these bold claims of "the person" doing this. COA doesn't even matter, bc let's be real it's made in an unsterile environment aka ur dining room table.

We don't have to lie here, it is extremely risky and dangerous to homebrew your own BAC, that is fine and dandy you do it to yourself but let's not promote it as something low-risk or encourage other ppl to do it.

I don't even promote the peps, and always steer ppl into going name brand direct if they have the funds/insurance route. I understand the risks and accept them but no, I don't like to promote this let alone promote ppl into making their own injection water when there are legitimate routes to get it safely (majority of ppl here are in the US). No, we don't have to encourage ppl into sourcing sterile water for inj, sterile BA for inj, sterile vials to homebrew it.

 

[SeaGypsy]

I can't get my hands on Hospira for a decent price, I still have 4 1/2 vials left. I just ordered 12 Lambda 30ml. I'll use the Lambda for my cheaper, less sensitive peps (which most of mine are). Tirz is like a cockroach, even Vendor bac did fine with it. I've used Lambda before on several peps (SS31, MT-2, NAD+, TB-500, BPC-157, MOTS-C.....) and never had any issues so I will use it again.
I'll continue looking for hospira but it'll probably be awhile before the lower prices and availability come back....if they ever do.
I looked into DIY but Lambda is really affordable and better than anything I feel I could do DIY.

 

[RaveBaddie]

I'm patiently waiting for you to drop the legit 3P COAs that also include endotoxin and sterility testing? Where is the COA, show me the proof if you're making these bold claims of "the person" doing this. COA doesn't even matter, bc let's be real it's made in an unsterile environment aka ur dining room table.

We don't have to lie here, it is extremely risky and dangerous to homebrew your own BAC, that is fine and dandy you do it to yourself but let's not promote it as something low-risk or encourage other ppl to do it.

I don't even promote the peps, and always steer ppl into going name brand direct if they have the funds/insurance route. I understand the risks and accept them but no, I don't like to promote this let alone promote ppl into making their own injection water when there are legitimate routes to get it safely (majority of ppl here are in the US). No, we don't have to encourage ppl into sourcing sterile water for inj, sterile BA for inj, sterile vials to homebrew it.

Wow, why so much aggression?
I do not have to proof anything to you. Who do you think you are? What makes you this angry towards a person you do not know?

I am not naming the person that was so nice and open to answer all my questions as a newbie because I have not asked him to mingle in this conversation. If he wants to reply he is free to do so by himself.

Good for you in steering people into going name brand IN THE US.
If people mostly from Europe ask me about my experiences in Europe and where to find the supplies I ordered IN EUROPE because they cannot acquire Hospira, I answer those questions to my best knowledge.

There are A LOT of NON-US citizens here that ask genuine questions about other people's experiences. They are adults and can make their own decisions what to do and what not.

I will not reply to your aggressive replies any further. I am an honoust person and I do not lie (stop putting words in my mouth).

People here can form their own opinion about making or not making their own BAC water.

Jeez calm down TazaTaza

 

[BNLFL]

Wow, why so much aggression?
I do not have to proof anything to you. Who do you think you are? What makes you this angry towards a person you do not know?

That seems to be his nature. I can't believe I haven't put him on ignore, but I will. If he's trying to be helpful, he's failing.

 

[RaveBaddie]

Where is the best place to find the recipe and process?

Thanks

There is no recipe?
To make a 0,9% solution BAC water you need to add 0,9% of Benzylalcohol USP to your glass bottle of sterile water for injection after removing that amount of water out of the bottle.
To be very exact:

With a 50ml bottle of water, remove 0,45ml water and then add 0,45ml BA.
With a 100ml bottle of water, remove 0,9ml water and add 0,9ml BA.

 

[RaveBaddie]

That seems to be his nature. I can't believe I haven't put him on ignore, but I will. If he's trying to be helpful, he's failing.

🙏

 

[bay_area_schizo]

Thanks!
This forum is great for asking any questions and learning from other people's experiences.

Just remember to work as clean as possible with everything.
And maybe think about filtering your peptides. Some people say it's a must, some say it's a personal risk choice to not filter them.

wanna hear something really funny? I filtered my first kit of RT15 couple weeks ago. I filtered RIGHT BACK INTO ORIGINAL VIALS 🤓🙃🥹😂.
costly lesson had to toss entire kit....oh wait I also put kick ass labels on each vial 🤣 🤣
fucking genius I tell ya 🤤

 

[SeaGypsy]

I'm patiently waiting for you to drop the legit 3P COAs that also include endotoxin and sterility testing? Where is the COA, show me the proof if you're making these bold claims of "the person" doing this. COA doesn't even matter, bc let's be real it's made in an unsterile environment aka ur dining room table.

We don't have to lie here, it is extremely risky and dangerous to homebrew your own BAC, that is fine and dandy you do it to yourself but let's not promote it as something low-risk or encourage other ppl to do it.

I don't even promote the peps, and always steer ppl into going name brand direct if they have the funds/insurance route. I understand the risks and accept them but no, I don't like to promote this let alone promote ppl into making their own injection water when there are legitimate routes to get it safely (majority of ppl here are in the US). No, we don't have to encourage ppl into sourcing sterile water for inj, sterile BA for inj, sterile vials to homebrew it.

Not gonna lie, I have promoted a few peps to loved ones 🤷‍♀️ if I feel it's something that could possibly benefit their situation. Just started my own mom on GLOW to try and help her arthritic joints. If it helps her without her having to take prescription meds everyday I'll call it a win. I've only recommend peps I have used and noticed benefits from. You do you and let others do what they do.

 

[woundcarping]

wanna hear something really funny? I filtered my first kit of RT15 couple weeks ago. I filtered RIGHT BACK INTO ORIGINAL VIALS 🤓🙃🥹😂.
costly lesson had to toss entire kit....oh wait I also put kick ass labels on each vial 🤣 🤣
fucking genius I tell ya 🤤

You reconstituted the whole kit at once?


You do realize you could have left it in the original vials until the new vials came in (assuming you didn't have them), then draw and filter into the new vials?

 

[RaveBaddie]

wanna hear something really funny? I filtered my first kit of RT15 couple weeks ago. I filtered RIGHT BACK INTO ORIGINAL VIALS 🤓🙃🥹😂.
costly lesson had to toss entire kit....oh wait I also put kick ass labels on each vial 🤣 🤣
fucking genius I tell ya 🤤

Show me them kick ass labelssssss!!! 😁😁😁😁😁 Love the DIY-ing! 😁

 

[bay_area_schizo]

Show me them kick ass labelssssss!!! 😁😁😁😁😁 Love the DIY-ing! 😁

used M2 niimbot on holographic label...looked so cool. next kit I'll do better 😂

 

[bay_area_schizo]

You reconstituted the whole kit at once?


You do realize you could have left it in the original vials until the new vials came in (assuming you didn't have them), then draw and filter into the new vials?

yes whole kit! I got too hyper went crazy. schizoid episode..... SHUT UP LARRY!!...anyways we'll do it propers next time. He told me it was ruined since I put filtered material into dirty vials. he's a fucking LIAR!?

 

[dancs]

There's a lady on TG that sells hospira for $12 a bottle, $55 for 5, and a case of 25 for $225.

HMU if you wanna know the juicy details. 😉

 

[woundcarping]

yes whole kit! I got too hyper went crazy. schizoid episode..... SHUT UP LARRY!!...anyways we'll do it propers next time. He told me it was ruined since I put filtered material into dirty vials. he's a fucking LIAR!?

It wasn’t any dirtier than when you reconstituted it. Y’all could have pulled it back out of those vials in the future and filtered into a new vial, same end result.

 

[bay_area_schizo]

There's a lady on TG that sells hospira for $12 a bottle, $55 for 5, and a case of 25 for $225.

HMU if you wanna know the juicy details. 😉

a "lady" 😂 😂 😂

 

[J.Ayden]

Nothing grows in 99%+ alcohol: the little creatures need water. It's the same principle as jams and cherries in kirsch.



You need to find sterile, pyrogen-free water, specified for injection. RNAse-free water is for another use. Unlike DNA and RNA strands, and cultured cells, we have an immune system.

You'll have a better chance of finding Hospira in the USA or even Canada.

I guess my point overall is I don't care about finding Hospira? I don't mean to sound like an ass, it's just not important to me personally. I don't even know what brand I'm currently using, but it's been fine the 3+ years I've been using it. The only problem is Amazon took all their bac water down. Luckily I massively stocked up when I first started, but I'm down to my last vial now. So I'm looking for alternatives. I don't mind at all finding another brand, and that's probably what I'll end up doing honestly, if I can find one for a decent price. I'm seeing Hospira for more than a dollar a ml now! I might ask my doctor if she can write me a prescription or something, as well, so I can buy it from a medical site that isn't price gouging. I also wonder if it'd be possible to get from a needle exchange/harm reduction program. I mean, I used tap water when shooting up so...it feels like they might stock sterile alternatives for people? It's something I literally never even thought about or was concerned with at the time though, so I don't know for sure.

SWFI, like bac water, seems to be only sold with a prescription or to someone with a medical license, as far as I can tell. But sterile water for irrigation is readily available on Amazon and is used specifically for all kinds of different medical procedures, including cleaning body cavities during surgery, cleaning wounds, moistening bandages, etc. The reason I quoted that one particular sterile water is because most of them don't mention endotoxins at all, since they obviously don't have to. I don't understand how sterile water could cause a pyrogen reaction if there are no endotoxins since it's filtered and bacteria/virus free. I know endotoxins aren't taken out by filters and as far as I understand they're more dangerous than other things because normal sterility methods don't remove them and they tend to really stick to lab equipment.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions, though, especially in a respectful manner. I loved AP biology but that was almost twenty years ago so a lot of this shit is over my paygrade lol.

 

[ams116]

wanna hear something really funny? I filtered my first kit of RT15 couple weeks ago. I filtered RIGHT BACK INTO ORIGINAL VIALS 🤓🙃🥹😂.
costly lesson had to toss entire kit....oh wait I also put kick ass labels on each vial 🤣 🤣
fucking genius I tell ya 🤤

Did you really have to toss them all? I mean yea there would still have been some contamination but they'd at least have been cleaner than they were before you filtered at all...

 

[ams116]

There's a lady on TG that sells hospira for $12 a bottle, $55 for 5, and a case of 25 for $225.

HMU if you wanna know the juicy details. 😉

uhh yea i'd like to know but i can't message you maybe bc i am newbie?

 

[J.Ayden]

In my opinion if you have other ppl involved, just buy the H water at the markup or other sources of BAC water like US resellers sites, Lambda, India's Ocean, or even venny water. I'm guessing you're from the US?

It's not fearmongering at all, transferring liquids between vials with sterile syringes has way less points of failure vs you homebrewing your own BA. You have to source sterile water for inj, sterile vials, sterile BA for inj, sterile syringes? And then transfer and mix all of that in your unsterile home on ur kitchen counter I'm guessing?

Peps are expensive, spend the $ to get proper SWFI even if it's venny water or US reseller BAC water, just something.

Like you don't trust over the seas BAC water or want to pay for H water but you think you can formulate BAC water in your kitchen w/chemical reagents + generic syringes you got off of Amazon? Do you think your homebrew BAC would past testing? It's so asinine.

Lambda water is back down again. I have no problem with vendor water, I just don't want to pay a ridiculous price for it.

Honestly, your entire argument here is so disingenuous to me. All of that shit is true regardless of if you're just reconstituting or if you're adding BA to sterile water. I already have sterile vials, syringes, filters, etc. And all I'd be doing is adding benzyl alcohol to a bottle of sterile water, then transferring from that to my peptides. So it's only one more point of failure, which while isn't ideal, really isn't the end of the world like people make it out to be.

I never said I don't trust overseas bac water, that's one of my hang ups about people being obsessed with Hospira, actually. Although there are some who definitely think it's safer to source your own SWFI and add your own BA to it, because then you know it's in the correct ratio and it's actually (reasonably) sterile. It's so asinine to me to pretend that the syringes are perfectly fine for reconstituting and injecting yourself with but not fine for mixing a very simple ratio of benzyl alcohol to sterile water. Like if you think they're not good enough for that, you probably shouldn't be using them at all, no?

 

[ams116]

I think we should all agree that Pfizer pharmaceutical bacteriostatic water is probably about as good as it's gonna get. That's what they have in the stockrooms in hospitals that nurses use for reconstituting medications that are given to patients. However I think we should also be open to and encourage alternatives because there isn't an infinite amount of H BAC available. And like J. Ayden is saying, if we're reconning peptides ourselves outside of a glovebox in a clean room then we are implicitly accepting some amount of sub-optimal conditions for the material we are self administering. So it should reason that it's not totally ridiculous to think we could ~safely prepare our own BAC water. Sure, it takes a tiny amount of extra stoichiometry but we're already doing that same math when we reconn in the first place. And it takes a few more materials. But this isn't dark magick or anything crazy.

 

[bay_area_schizo]

Did you really have to toss them all? I mean yea there would still have been some contamination but they'd at least have been cleaner than they were before you filtered at all...

tossing them may have been overkill

 

[5byfive]

Wow, why so much aggression?
.
Jeez calm down TazaTaza

He is just here to pick fights. If he doesn't get bored and go away soon he'll get banned.

 

[BNLFL]

He is just here to pick fights. If he doesn't get bored and go away soon he'll get banned.

Let's hope.

 

[RaveBaddie]

He is just here to pick fights. If he doesn't get bored and go away soon he'll get banned.

If he keeps being unreasonable for no reason then I'm glad there's always the 'ignore' option 🙂

 

[dndgeek]

How far past the expiration would you trust a bottle of hospira?

 

[RicFlair]

How far past the expiration would you trust a bottle of hospira?

I have seen some people quote in this forum, that an unopened vial of hospira realistically lasts years, not sure about an exact number, but way past the expiration date on the vials. Those are only to be followed by those in a pharmaceutical environment but for us researchers, in regards to sterility and potency, it lasts way beyond that.

 

[Brandon556]

How far past the expiration would you trust a bottle of hospira?

Im not advocating doing this but Im using a bottle i found in my cabinet thats 3-4 years old and was half empty. We will expire before bac water does. Its just water and benzyl alcohol. The only risk is bacteria growth from contamination or if it wasn't steril to begin with.

 

[TazaTaza]

Lambda water is back down again. I have no problem with vendor water, I just don't want to pay a ridiculous price for it.

Honestly, your entire argument here is so disingenuous to me. All of that shit is true regardless of if you're just reconstituting or if you're adding BA to sterile water. I already have sterile vials, syringes, filters, etc. And all I'd be doing is adding benzyl alcohol to a bottle of sterile water, then transferring from that to my peptides. So it's only one more point of failure, which while isn't ideal, really isn't the end of the world like people make it out to be.

I never said I don't trust overseas bac water, that's one of my hang ups about people being obsessed with Hospira, actually. Although there are some who definitely think it's safer to source your own SWFI and add your own BA to it, because then you know it's in the correct ratio and it's actually (reasonably) sterile. It's so asinine to me to pretend that the syringes are perfectly fine for reconstituting and injecting yourself with but not fine for mixing a very simple ratio of benzyl alcohol to sterile water. Like if you think they're not good enough for that, you probably shouldn't be using them at all, no?

Vendor water price range is usually ~$0.1-$0.5/mL for waters, how much cheaper is it homebrew and is the money saved worth the risk with your health? What is a ridiculous price? Where are you getting cheap bulk SWFI that's less than that?

I do not do all of that.

I literally transfer my BAC into my pep, and keep it moving. I keep it super simple. The less steps the better.

Look, go ahead and make your homebrew BAC water for yourself and your gf + sister. It's no sweat off my back.

And to be clear, it is disingenuous for you to think it's "simple" to make BAC, if it was that simple this whole thread would not exist. There would be plenty of suppliers overflowing with validated and trusted BAC. You and others are too blasé + cavalier about this, which is just dangerous.

You adding lab graded BA to sterile water doesn't mean it's validated, and verifiably sterile BAC water. There is no testing or validation on that or ur raw materials. It's not a sure thing. If you are in the US there are various ways to obtain BAC or SWFI that doesn't involve homebrewing & hoping for the best. It's super reckless for no reason. Plenty of sites/resellers, H water is $11-$13/bottle before shipping.

Go ahead and make your BAC, but do not try to downplay it for what it is or get super defensive about it. If you can't afford BAC then maybe this grey market stuff isn't for you, you probably shouldn't be using them at all, no?