Does anyone buy "raw powder"?

[steppinthrax]

I'm exploring suppliers that offer raw powder at significantly lower prices. For instance, $120 per gram could yield slightly over 16 vials of 60 mg each. From what I understand, you'd need at least an analytical balance for accurate measurement, along with several vials with crimp caps. The analytical balance seems to be the most costly component.

 

[scarywood75]

I'm exploring suppliers that offer raw powder at significantly lower prices. For instance, $120 per gram could yield slightly over 16 vials of 60 mg each. From what I understand, you'd need at least an analytical balance for accurate measurement, along with several vials with crimp caps. The analytical balance seems to be the most costly component.

Don't do it, there are reasons why it's cheaper

 

[steppinthrax]

Don't do it, there are reasons why it's cheaper

Why, i guess it's inferior?

 

[scarywood75]

Why, i guess it's inferior?

By the time you receive it it's gonna be cooked already, that's not talking about all the supply you need, aseptic technique and proper knowledge.

I'm telling you, don't lose your time on this

 

[GimmeABreak]

Looks like we have another one. "I'm gonna just buy raws and save a ton of money."

I heard Amazon sells a home lyophilization kit for like $99.

 

[scarywood75]

Looks like we have another one. "I'm gonna just buy raws and save a ton of money."

I heard Amazon sells a home lyophilization kit for like $99.

Right lol, that's why I didn't enter into much details here

 

[GimmeABreak]

I heard Amazon sells a home lyophilization kit for like $99.

I made this intended to be sarcastic comment and then checked Amazon. They actually do sell a lyophilizer for $4300. Anyone gonna buy one, then you too can save $$ doing it yourself. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.amazon.com/Yokoma-Scientific-Lyophilizer-Sublimation-Vegetable/dp/B0DKNKBNHL/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1D4YZLKPQY011

 

[penewbie]

I made this intended to be sarcastic comment and then checked Amazon. They actually do sell a lyophilizer for $4300. Anyone gonna buy one, then you too can save $$ doing it yourself. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.amazon.com/Yokoma-Scientific-Lyophilizer-Sublimation-Vegetable/dp/B0DKNKBNHL/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1D4YZLKPQY011

Ah, drats, "This item cannot be shipped to your selected delivery location. Please choose a different delivery location."

Oh well, I do have a food dehydrator, that should work, right?

 

[scarywood75]

Ah, drats, "This item cannot be shipped to your selected delivery location. Please choose a different delivery location."

Oh well, I do have a food dehydrator, that should work, right?

Worse case use your oven...

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

If you’d like to homebrew with raws you should do the research to actually understand what that entails instead of just posting on a forum because it sounds like a cool way to save money on your injectables. Until you’ve done the research you aren’t in a position to make a decision regardless of that we say. Once you’ve done the research I promise you’ll conclude that it isn’t a good use of time or money.

 

[GimmeABreak]

If you’d like to homebrew with raws you should do the research to actually understand what that entails instead of just posting on a forum because it sounds like a cool way to save money on your injectables. Until you’ve done the research you aren’t in a position to make a decision regardless of that we say. Once you’ve done the research I promise you’ll conclude that it isn’t a good use of time or money.

So you're saying we shouldn't use a food dehydrator and kitchen oven?

 

[scarywood75]

So you're saying we shouldn't use a food dehydrator and kitchen oven?

Don't listen to this guy I do it all the time and it works good, each time I inject I end up at the hospital and since I'm so sick I can't eat so I lose weight

 

[scarywood75]

Trust me bro it works

 

[MiniatureSnail]

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Ah, drats, "This item cannot be shipped to your selected delivery location. Please choose a different delivery location."

Oh well, I do have a food dehydrator, that should work, right?

It ships to me - wanna go halvsies?? But we gotta hurry - there's only 1 left!

 

[steppinthrax]

Okay, thanks guys. I didn't realize the powder wasn't Lyophilized, among other equipment needed. Dosen't make any sense going this route now.

 

[scarywood75]

Okay, thanks guys. I didn't realize the powder wasn't Lyophilized, among other equipment needed. Dosen't make any sense going this route now.

If it was that easy we would not all be buying finished products, just this bit should give you a pretty good hint

 

[scarywood75]

But no joke even in china most vendors are resellers, they don't even finish products and those that actually finish them only do it for some of their products, not for everything

When you buy from a vendor, you have more chance to get resold products

 

[Glp1judd]

At least buy a key.

Go big or go home, amirite?

 

[normal]

Are we finally bumping lines of tirz hell yeah let's goooo

 

[Revo39564]

I have bought “raw” tirzepatide for an experiment . It tested 99.8 percent pure. I used a cheap scale and vialed it. I measured it with a cheap scale to 53 mg …..
so at the lab it weighed 55.78mg of powder, of which 51.64mg was Tirzepatide … so I was 2.78 mg off total weight …..

Resellers buy “raw “ tirzepatide” from a bulk factory by the KG and it is a near pure API ….. some then sell it raw , some have it mikes with salts, binders , and sterilized , re-lyophilzed and put into vials.


1) raw peptides aren’t sterilized
2) raw peptides are lyophilized ( freeze dried) during the filtering/ purification stage.

3) once they leave the original manufacturer you have no clue where they were……. Or possible contamination.

4) cheaper and smarter to buy a finalized product.

5) I bought it as an experiment to see if I could ballpark accurately measure a peptide, test it , vial it, then freeze it at -20 to -30 C for 3 years . I want to retest it and check its mg and potency …..

6) that I could do this and have an adequate “HPLC test should be a gut check . Anyone could do this and sell it .


6) I will destroy the test vials in 3 years

 

[stickfigure]

Should have went all the way in in the name of science 😅 - dissolved in distilled water with some mannitol, filtered into a spiked vial with an air filter, frozen it and then vacuumed it with an $80 amazon vacuum chamber and $100 vacuum pump. If there was no way to get finished product and there was still access to raws, this is how I'd homebrew it. Then tested for purity and fill.

 

[Revo39564]

Should have went all the way in in the name of science 😅 - dissolved in distilled water with some mannitol, filtered into a spiked vial with an air filter, frozen it and then vacuumed it with an $80 amazon vacuum chamber and $100 vacuum pump. If there was no way to get finished product and there was still access to raws, this is how I'd homebrew it. Then tested for purity and fill.

Should have went all the way in in the name of science 😅 - dissolved in distilled water with some mannitol, filtered into a spiked vial with an air filter, frozen it and then vacuumed it with an $80 amazon vacuum chamber and $100 vacuum pump. If there was no way to get finished product and there was still access to raws, this is how I'd homebrew it. Then tested for purity and fill.

Should have went all the way in in the name of science 😅 - dissolved in distilled water with some mannitol, filtered into a spiked vial with an air filter, frozen it and then vacuumed it with an $80 amazon vacuum chamber and $100 vacuum pump. If there was no way to get finished product and there was still access to raws, this is how I'd homebrew it. Then tested for purity and fill.

Should have went all the way in in the name of science 😅 - dissolved in distilled water with some mannitol, filtered into a spiked vial with an air filter, frozen it and then vacuumed it with an $80 amazon vacuum chamber and $100 vacuum pump. If there was no way to get finished product and there was still access to raws, this is how I'd homebrew it. Then tested for purity and fill.

No reason for all that . Compounded tirz that is sold in a solution is “raw tirz “ pure unsterile API mixed with a solution like b12 or bacteriostatic water/saline… filtered and tested for sterility, endotoxins , and potency …….

 

[mopo89]

No reason for all that . Compounded tirz that is sold in a solution is “raw tirz “ pure unsterile API mixed with a solution like b12 or bacteriostatic water/saline… filtered and tested for sterility, endotoxins , and potency …….

I swear I’ve seen all of your posts disproven on peppys a number of times.

 

[Revo39564]

I swear I’ve seen all of your posts disproven on peppys a number of times.

Disproven ? Nope. Some folks just don’t know the process and what actually occurs with lyophilization. Many think raw means the raw product to produce the peptides. It is a raw unsterile API…..

How are compounded meds sold in a solution like tirzepatide made then? The vialed ones in cake form have binders, salts, stabilizers , etc added and are sterilized and lyophilized a second time….

 

[mopo89]

Disproven ? Nope. Some folks just don’t know the process and what actually occurs with lyophilization. Many think raw means the raw product to produce the peptides. It is a raw unsterile API…..

How are compounded meds sold in a solution like tirzepatide made then? The vialed ones in cake form have binders, salts, stabilizers , etc added and are sterilized and lyophilized a second time….

Yeah no, I went back and looked at that post and you have MANY people telling you that you are wrong, and that people have asked manufacturers who say that you are wrong.

 

[Revo39564]

Yeah no, I went back and looked at that post and you have MANY people telling you that you are wrong, and that people have asked manufacturers who say that you are wrong.

Yeah they are wrong. I have contacted manufacturers as well. Some fda approved too. The compounded pharmacies buy raw tirzepatide and semaglutide

Interesting that my “raw tirz “ tested 99.8 percent potency ……

 

[penewbie]

Yeah they are wrong. I have contacted manufacturers as well. Some fda approved too. The compounded pharmacies buy raw tirzepatide and semaglutide

Interesting that my “raw tirz “ tested 99.8 percent potency ……

We have been through this so many times already, purity testing is doing some very narrow things. It tells us nothing about what ingredients and in what quantity are in the vial, except the tirz itself.

It does not prove anything about what you're claiming, but it doesn't disprove it either.

 

[Revo39564]

We have been through this so many times already, purity testing is doing some very narrow things.

It does not prove anything about what you're claiming, but it doesn't disprove it i

We have been through this so many times already, purity testing is doing some very narrow things. It tells us nothing about what ingredients and in what quantity are in the vial, except the tirz itself.

It does not prove anything about what you're claiming, but it doesn't disprove it either.

True it proves the potency of the target peptide only ….. you will never know what impurities are in it……. Or endotoxin contaminants without much more expensive testing.

 

[Nikki nik]

I have bought “raw” tirzepatide for an experiment . It tested 99.8 percent pure. I used a cheap scale and vialed it. I measured it with a cheap scale to 53 mg …..
so at the lab it weighed 55.78mg of powder, of which 51.64mg was Tirzepatide … so I was 2.78 mg off total weight …..

Resellers buy “raw “ tirzepatide” from a bulk factory by the KG and it is a near pure API ….. some then sell it raw , some have it mikes with salts, binders , and sterilized , re-lyophilzed and put into vials.


1) raw peptides aren’t sterilized
2) raw peptides are lyophilized ( freeze dried) during the filtering/ purification stage.

3) once they leave the original manufacturer you have no clue where they were……. Or possible contamination.

4) cheaper and smarter to buy a finalized product.

5) I bought it as an experiment to see if I could ballpark accurately measure a peptide, test it , vial it, then freeze it at -20 to -30 C for 3 years . I want to retest it and check its mg and potency …..

6) that I could do this and have an adequate “HPLC test should be a gut check . Anyone could do this and sell it .


6) I will destroy the test vials in 3 years

Shut the front door. You frickin genius!