Endotoxin Warning

Jeeps response as to "go buy pharma instead" is almost amazing.
One thing is to not guarantee mass as it can still be used. Another is dangerous levels of endotoxins and we payed for something to dispose.
I bought 4 kits. Will test two of them for Endo before throwing them out.

And will find another vendor. All my T30 are orange caps and they were all tested. First ones were SSA and tested at less than 10EU per vial, it tested less than 1 eu per vial.

The thing is that they can't say if we are picky we should buy pharma
It's not being picky when you bought something you can not use.
 
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I'm just so disappointed at how they handled the situation. Considering I bought these for health reasons and don't want to risk developing other issues. It's easy for them to say oh go with (insert manufacturer here) if you want quality but they also keep pushing that they're selling high quality. I'd go for name brand if I could but being out of work and currently struggling makes it suck more knowing I wasted money on these.
 
I have this batch number, bought in January, I'm pretty sure they are the darker cap. But the cap is flat, it doesn't have the ridge around the outside as the ones in the picture do. I've used one bottle for the past 3 weeks and had no ill effects. I was due to start the 2nd bottle next week. Any thoughts on this? Should I be binning the rest? Obviously not looking for medical advice, just seeing what others thoughts and opinions are
 
Frozenfrog said:
I have this batch number, bought in January, I'm pretty sure they are the darker cap. But the cap is flat, it doesn't have the ridge around the outside as the ones in the picture do. I've used one bottle for the past 3 weeks and had no ill effects. I was due to start the 2nd bottle next week. Any thoughts on this? Should I be binning the rest? Obviously not looking for medical advice, just seeing what others thoughts and opinions are
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Ultimately it's up to you. Some might say if you've felt no effects so far then just to carry on. Personally if it's the same product, bought from the same vendor at the same time then I'd be tossing it as I wouldn't consider it was worth the risk.
 
Depending on risk tolerance, financial need, and whatever else you want to lump in, you can take a 30mg vial with 2300eu “safely”.

15mg has 1150eu
Split into daily dosing, that’s 164eu per pin.
5eu/kg (for IV)… I don’t think there are many customers taking Tirz that weigh less than 72lb.

I am currently 236lb, or 107kg, making a 7mg injection fit the 5eu/kg standard for IV.

I wouldn’t be thrilled taking a GLP every day, but if I had this batch I’d still keep it around for a rainy day.
 
woundcarping said:
Depending on risk tolerance, financial need, and whatever else you want to lump in, you can take a 30mg vial with 2300eu “safely”.

15mg has 1150eu
Split into daily dosing, that’s 164eu per pin.
5eu/kg (for IV)… I don’t think there are many customers taking Tirz that weigh less than 72lb.

I am currently 236lb, or 107kg, making a 7mg injection fit the 5eu/kg standard for IV.

I wouldn’t be thrilled taking a GLP every day, but if I had this batch I’d still keep it around for a rainy day.
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Mine have a completely different lid style but the same batch number, this is why I'm unsure
 
Frozenfrog said:
Mine have a completely different lid style but the same batch number, this is why I'm unsure
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Nobody can say for sure one way or the other if your vials are the same, lower or higher levels of endotoxin because they havent been tested. So you need to consider your own risk aversion and make your own decision.
 
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Considering that these products are for research use only and not for human consumption, it would make perfect sense that sterility is not up to par. Most accept that knowingly going into grey. It's not a sudden risk. It's a known fact. If purity is above 98% and it's the correct substance, filter everything before your research. After that if it's a new batch and it's the correct substance and purity, and has been filtered, start with a small .1ml pin. Make sure there's no reaction within 24 hrs. If the lab rats are good then run it. If any of that makes you uncomfortable, I would suggest going to your doctor for a prescription or paying 500+ per month for prescription grade through one of those medical sites. Only run with what you're comfortable with because at the end of the day it's entirely up to you whether or not the risk is worth it.... As for me I take the risk knowingly and so far it has been phenomenal. But everyone has different levels of acceptable.
 
Radxpro43 said:
Considering that these products are for research use only and not for human consumption, it would make perfect sense that sterility is not up to par. Most accept that knowingly going into grey. It's not a sudden risk. It's a known fact. If purity is above 98% and it's the correct substance, filter everything before your research. After that if it's a new batch and it's the correct substance and purity, and has been filtered, start with a small .1ml pin. Make sure there's no reaction within 24 hrs. If the lab rats are good then run it. If any of that makes you uncomfortable, I would suggest going to your doctor for a prescription or paying 500+ per month for prescription grade through one of those medical sites. Only run with what you're comfortable with because at the end of the day it's entirely up to you whether or not the risk is worth it.... As for me I take the risk knowingly and so far it has been phenomenal. But everyone has different levels of acceptable.
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Is that you Jeep? The difference is that Jeep presented itself as a vendor concerned with quality and service. They were vetted at STG and have (hopefully had) a presence here. Now they've shown that they are concerned with neither quality nor service. They made a financial decision and have determined that their profits are more important than their customer base. Everyone knows that bad things happen to peptides and that's why we test, but it's the response of the vendor to those things that really make the difference. That's why people are so disappointed. I wonder what their new name will be? How about Jendotox?
 
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Radxpro43 said:
Considering that these products are for research use only and not for human consumption, it would make perfect sense that sterility is not up to par. Most accept that knowingly going into grey. It's not a sudden risk. It's a known fact. If purity is above 98% and it's the correct substance, filter everything before your research. After that if it's a new batch and it's the correct substance and purity, and has been filtered, start with a small .1ml pin. Make sure there's no reaction within 24 hrs. If the lab rats are good then run it. If any of that makes you uncomfortable, I would suggest going to your doctor for a prescription or paying 500+ per month for prescription grade through one of those medical sites. Only run with what you're comfortable with because at the end of the day it's entirely up to you whether or not the risk is worth it.... As for me I take the risk knowingly and so far it has been phenomenal. But everyone has different levels of acceptable.
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Filtering does nothing for endotoxins. This is not a sterility issue.
If a vial comes full of endotoxins there's nothing you can do.
 
Chili777 said:
Is that you Jeep? The difference is that Jeep presented itself as a vendor concerned with quality and service. They were vetted at STG and have (hopefully had) a presence here. Now they've shown that they are concerned with neither quality nor service. They made a financial decision and have determined that their profits are more important than their customer base. Everyone knows that bad things happen to peptides and that's why we test, but it's the response of the vendor to those things that really make the difference. That's why people are so disappointed. I wonder what their new name will be? How about Jendotox?
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100% like so any aspects of life.

Every single one of us make mistakes, it's human.

We will all be judged by others on how we react and respond to those mistakes.
 
I have the dark orange caps that I purchased in November. I know the original post mentioned the lighter caps are affected, not dark, but at the same time I haven't seen any endotoxin testing for the darker caps. Has there been one?? I'm in Canada, thinking of sending one of mine to 'Testides'.
 
woundcarping said:
Depending on risk tolerance, financial need, and whatever else you want to lump in, you can take a 30mg vial with 2300eu “safely”.

15mg has 1150eu
Split into daily dosing, that’s 164eu per pin.
5eu/kg (for IV)… I don’t think there are many customers taking Tirz that weigh less than 72lb.

I am currently 236lb, or 107kg, making a 7mg injection fit the 5eu/kg standard for IV.

I wouldn’t be thrilled taking a GLP every day, but if I had this batch I’d still keep it around for a rainy day.
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Im 220 and would normally pin 15mg every 6 days.... i may pin 7.5 every 3... thatd be 575eu and a lil over what my max should be. Im a terrible responder to everything (glp1s, prescription vitamin supplements ill still test low, painkillers, i need max dose bp med, even the dentist has to use extra novacaine) i doubt itll effect me...
 
Chili777 said:
Is that you Jeep? The difference is that Jeep presented itself as a vendor concerned with quality and service. They were vetted at STG and have (hopefully had) a presence here. Now they've shown that they are concerned with neither quality nor service. They made a financial decision and have determined that their profits are more important than their customer base. Everyone knows that bad things happen to peptides and that's why we test, but it's the response of the vendor to those things that really make the difference. That's why people are so disappointed. I wonder what their new name will be? How about Jendotox?
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Thats where im at... were not always gonna get 7eu... but fuckin 2300... whats next 12,000
 
Airborne Daddy said:
Im 220 and would normally pin 15mg every 6 days.... i may pin 7.5 every 3... thatd be 575eu and a lil over what my max should be. Im a terrible responder to everything (glp1s, prescription vitamin supplements ill still test low, painkillers, i need max dose bp med, even the dentist has to use extra novacaine) i doubt itll effect me...
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If I knew I was potentially taking the higher EU vials, I might would 3x split it (1/3 split?) to “test the waters.”

You know, cautious recklessness😂
 
I'm truly shocked that people are simply "disappointed" in JEEP's reply. It's outrageous, not disappointing.

If their response doesn't do a 180 pronto, it's indicative of future performance, and I firmly believe that they should be deplatformed from all responsible peptides platforms. More so than if they simply kept money without sending product. Safety and health are paramount for these forums.
 
indolent said:
I'm truly shocked that people are simply "disappointed" in JEEP's reply. It's outrageous, not disappointing.

If their response doesn't do a 180 pronto, it's indicative of future performance, and I firmly believe that they should be deplatformed from all responsible peptides platforms. More so than if they simply kept money without sending product. Safety and health are paramount for these forums.
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Hopefully at least people are dumb enough to buy from them anymore.

But I'm doubtful.
 
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