Finnrick.com

[BooneDonk]

As a sensitive kind of gal, I used to think this and @ZippityDooDah were overly cynical and little jaded.
Now I'm sure it's not even cynical enough. You need to stay on your toes in this dystopian carnival 😄

True story.....

We might be running our own circus, but the monkeys and elephants are definately borrowed!

 

[ZippityDooDah]

As a sensitive kind of gal, I used to think this and @ZippityDooDah were overly cynical and little jaded.
Now I'm sure it's not even cynical enough. You need to stay on your toes in this dystopian carnival 😄

Now you know how it feels to be one of my ex-wives.

 

[desinr-gal]

Being new, and perhaps not risk averse enough..I would like to hear about any bad batch experiences researchers have had. I hear about trips to ER but usually on reddit and those people made choices I would never make.. What are the likely bad batch scenarios? Not theoretical, but actual.

 

[chmuse]

Being new, and perhaps not risk averse enough..I would like to hear about any bad batch experiences researchers have had. I hear about trips to ER but usually on reddit and those people made choices I would never make.. What are the likely bad batch scenarios? Not theoretical, but actual.

Too much overfill. Too little pep. No pep. Wrong pep. Weird contaminates.

Some bad humanin supposedly sent people to the ER. I personally bought tesa that turned out to be MT2.

 

[FamousGoodkitty]

View attachment 8212can someone help me understand this? if the purity is 99.61% why is the test score low? Is it because of the difference in quantity?

If I understand correctly, they "mark down" differences between the label (10 mg) and the test results (for example 11.590 mg), because for some of these peps that number is important to figuring out your dosing from that vial. I think they do take into account if the vendor's COA points out the difference and if they point out the difference when advertising the product - although you would need to check with Finnrick on that. They are looking to ensure that the customer knows exactly what they are getting - 10 mg or 11.59 mg.

 

[zpped]

Great points, can never be too skeptical of vendors. That just makes me think group testing as a whole is pointless if no batch information can be trusted

Group testing is not as certain as individual testing, but it's always a tradeoff on how much risk you're willing to take. The kits ARE finished in batches. You just have no idea when one batch stops and another ends. Knowing about the the manufacturing and sales pipeline process allows us to make educated guesses.

Too much overfill. Too little pep. No pep. Wrong pep. Weird contaminates.

Some bad humanin supposedly sent people to the ER. I personally bought tesa that turned out to be MT2.

This is presupposing there is such a thing as good humanin 😉 (but also that vial almost certainly had nothing to do with it). Also, hows your tan, lol

If I understand correctly, they "mark down" differences between the label (10 mg) and the test results (for example 11.590 mg), because for some of these peps that number is important to figuring out your dosing from that vial. I think they do take into account if the vendor's COA points out the difference and if they point out the difference when advertising the product - although you would need to check with Finnrick on that. They are looking to ensure that the customer knows exactly what they are getting - 10 mg or 11.59 mg.

Yeah, I am very vocal about overfill being an issue. But that is only under the condition that it wasn't known before sale. If the vender marketed it saying it was 11mg who cares if they called it a T10

 

[desinr-gal]

Too much overfill. Too little pep. No pep. Wrong pep. Weird contaminates.

Some bad humanin supposedly sent people to the ER. I personally bought tesa that turned out to be MT2.

I did see a couple of reports of bad tesa sending people to ER a month ago..
I am trying to guage the odds of this occuring I guess.

 

[chmuse]

This is presupposing there is such a thing as good humanin 😉 (but also that vial almost certainly had nothing to do with it). Also, hows your tan, lol

I don't use things that aren't tested. 😘 I'm as pale as ever. It's still sitting in my freezer, I should probably get rid of it.

 

[chmuse]

I did see a couple of reports of bad tesa sending people to ER a month ago..
I am trying to guage the odds of this occuring I guess.

Bad tesa? I missed that one. Got any deets?

 

[joseblo]

I'm glad to see some of my own thinking echoed here. The reliability of lot codes (or cap colors) could only be influenced by the original manufacturers in collaboration with distributors, and I just don't think they have any incentive (for security reasons). Even if they wanted to label, it would have to be with printed unique codes on the caps/bottles (though fluorescence labeling of the lyoph would be cool), and in my short time I've seen plenty of mistakes here which are so reputationally bad they must be screw-ups. Frankly, other than more testing/filtering I'm not sure the compounding pharms are that much better. I certainly had a batch from one I didn't trust (ended up alternating 2 sources for 4 weeks) never went back and tossed out jabs at $100 each.

When group buys get different color caps that are supposedly to be the same batch, you have to laugh or cry (I guess it's better than getting the same color for different peps). I almost think that with the data available on fill%, purity, and cap colors from different vendors over time there's almost enough statistical data to figure how many sources there are and which distributors use which ones. Maybe that's part of what Finnrick is up to?

 

[keangkong]

I work in the same industry (and not tangentially, I'm a swe at a very prominent corp).

What's an swe?

 

[ZippityDooDah]

What's an swe?

Smothered Waffle Eater.

Or the much more boring software engineer.

 

[rsmith]

First, they have no "stated" revenue model. If they had no future revenue model, they wouldn't be getting billionaire investors.

Chromate isn't the worst but I would never use them. Trust Pointe is fine. They've used Vanguard which has been proven for just making things up. But they use Krause a lot which is a complete unknown that popped up out of nowhere. Theres a reason Jano has over a decade of trust built up in the community.

Their ratings are broken as well. A "batch id" bumps someone up 2 grade letters, but we all know they are meaningless. It also encourages new users to rely on a vendors reputation instead of testing their purchase.

For your early Wednesday comedy enjoyment... This T60 Nexaph batch was widely tested and then sent to Finnrick who had Krause test the same batch. Look at the Finnrick/Krause results (95.3 mass for 60 mg.).

 

[rsmith]

For your early Wednesday comedy enjoyment... This T60 Nexaph batch was widely tested and then sent to Finnrick who had Krause test the same batch. Look at the Finnrick/Krause results (95.3 mass for 60 mg.).

More comedy... In this case a well-tested SSA T60 with an alleged mass of 85.5 per Finnrick/Krause, the probability of which is exactly zero.

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that testing Peptides is not Finnrick's primary intention since they would have to try really hard to be this bad. That leaves me to conclude that there is something more sinister going on. I don't trust them at all at this point.

 

[desinr-gal]

Bad tesa? I missed that one. Got any deets?

I just tried to go search for it but havent found it. I did find a Lot of severe allergic reaction posts though. So A guy had said he had such a bad reaction he was on the floor shaking unable to move for hours until someone found him. Then in the comments another person said something similar but not as bad had happened to them as well. No one said where they had sourced from. Except that it was a well known and reliable source. That's all I remember sorry.

 

[chmuse]

I just tried to go search for it but havent found it. I did find a Lot of severe allergic reaction posts though. So A guy had said he had such a bad reaction he was on the floor shaking unable to move for hours until someone found him. Then in the comments another person said something similar but not as bad had happened to them as well. No one said where they had sourced from. Except that it was a well known and reliable source. That's all I remember sorry.

Yes tesa is one of the ones people can be allergic to. One of my friends had a very severe reaction. Pretty sure it's one of the ones you're supposed to keep an EpiPen around for.

 

[slowsixstang]

When a group buy organizer receives a bulk shipment then distributes to individual buyers culling samples at random I personally have more confidence in the testing. The bulk order was placed at the same time, shipped at the same time and tested at the same time.

If you personally test a vial out of your kit the result is only for the unrecoverable vial submitted. You can't be 100% certain the remaining 9 vials even came from the same run. Lid colors? For a long time Amo used the same lid color (blue) on everything regardless of peptide or date of manufacture. Over the last couple months there were at least 6 vendors with orange top T30. Several group buy T30's had the orange top as well. At what point would a batch number be useful here? The origin of the raws or the individual lyophilizers or the vendors who claim to have their own factories who are just salespeople sitting on a laptop collecting crypto?

The first representation a vendor displays is an attractive Asian actress/model avatar they've selected to represent themselves. If you accept the reality might be your "Bella" or "Lucy" is actually a row of chain smoking dudes in a computer lab fighting over laptop space the value of 3rd party testing becomes more clear. Trust with a vendor is always temporary and fleeting.

Don't get me wrong, you're completely right, it's just a bummer.

 

[Laxfinity]

Bad tesa? I missed that one. Got any deets?

I think that was the humanin....

 

[desinr-gal]

I think that was the humanin....

I remember the posts specified Tesa. But then again almost everyone is researching multiple things at the same time. They said it was Tesa, and since another person reported the same reaction, at the same timeframe, it seemed (to me)* to be a batch situation. That was just my 3rd party observer opinion. It wasn't verified by any tests that I know of. And I cant find the thread now to quote them.

 

[MadisonB]

Where can I apply to be a Smothered Waffle Eater? Oh wait, who am I kidding, these meds have taken away the joy of all things scattered, smothered or covered 😢

Smothered Waffle Eater.

Or the much more boring software engineer.

 

[zpped]

I'm glad to see some of my own thinking echoed here. The reliability of lot codes (or cap colors) could only be influenced by the original manufacturers in collaboration with distributors, and I just don't think they have any incentive (for security reasons). Even if they wanted to label, it would have to be with printed unique codes on the caps/bottles (though fluorescence labeling of the lyoph would be cool), and in my short time I've seen plenty of mistakes here which are so reputationally bad they must be screw-ups. Frankly, other than more testing/filtering I'm not sure the compounding pharms are that much better. I certainly had a batch from one I didn't trust (ended up alternating 2 sources for 4 weeks) never went back and tossed out jabs at $100 each.

When group buys get different color caps that are supposedly to be the same batch, you have to laugh or cry (I guess it's better than getting the same color for different peps). I almost think that with the data available on fill%, purity, and cap colors from different vendors over time there's almost enough statistical data to figure how many sources there are and which distributors use which ones. Maybe that's part of what Finnrick is up to?

a while back, Jano theorized there are ~7 tirz api sources based on test signatures.

 

[conzopiriani]

a while back, Jano theorized there are ~7 tirz api sources based on test signatures.

Jano dear - do tell!

 

[ZippityDooDah]

Where can I apply to be a Smothered Waffle Eater? Oh wait, who am I kidding, these meds have taken away the joy of all things scattered, smothered or covered 😢

Right there with you. Just threw out a bottle of syrup the other day that expired in 2023.

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

a while back, Jano theorized there are ~7 tirz api sources based on test signatures.

I’m surprised it’s that many, honestly.

Usually with Chinese manufacturers you see they make product a for the name brand and then a little extra to sell unbranded out the back door. I figured it was something like that then off to some sketchy garage to be filled into vials

 

[Peotidethrowaway]

Right there with you. Just threw out a bottle of syrup the other day that expired in 2023.

We get real maple at Costco pretty cheap. Maybe this year I’ll try the bourbon barrel aged maple. I hear it’s good. And I make pancakes like twice a year so why not.

 

[keangkong]

We get real maple at Costco pretty cheap. Maybe this year I’ll try the bourbon barrel aged maple. I hear it’s good. And I make pancakes like twice a year so why not.

It's not like I won't eat waffles after starting a GLP-1 drug. However, there are far fewer foods that I can buy in Costco sizes.