For those of you who were referred here via a redditor....

fetefille said:
So a new forum is asking you not to talk about fight club publicly, huh? Well don’t that beat all.

Everyone didn’t start at the same level bc of varied backgrounds, and some folks just plain catch onto things faster.

I suggested to someone that helps run the tirzhelp discord that maybe a “what to expect while expecting” guide would be a good idea bc I was watching their folks freak the fuck out about wait times, communication, etc. They told me to kick fucking rocks. I let them know I’d seen at least 4 server owners lose their shit in long posts, not just bc of the large influx of folks, but bc of the behavior. No one advised the newer members to sit back, relax, observe a server’s atmosphere, and then join in. Again, told to fuck right off.

I had been directing people obviously drowning to that server, tg, whatever, now I just scroll right on by.
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Oof! I also have been directing the babiest of birds to the TirzHelp TG. Even though I was initially against a place like that, it does seem like some people really, truly need to be in the kiddie pool for a bit before they can swim with the big kids. Are you saying that, even in that environment, people still aren't getting the basics that it claims to provide?

TG doesn't seem like a great format to learn in because of how fast it moves. There must be like the same questions asked 15x/day because it gets asked, answered, then 50000 chats happens and then someone new comes in and asks the same thing because the information isn't in a searchable format. I much prefer the forum/topic/discussion environment.

Who told you to fuck off? I'd be very surprised if it was Stairmaster or Delulu as I haven't seen either of them be an actual asshole in public. I don't really know any of their other mods/admins.
 
MiniatureSnail said:
Oof! I also have been directing the babiest of birds to the TirzHelp TG. Even though I was initially against a place like that, it does seem like some people really, truly need to be in the kiddie pool for a bit before they can swim with the big kids. Are you saying that, even in that environment, people still aren't getting the basics that it claims to provide?

TG doesn't seem like a great format to learn in because of how fast it moves. There must be like the same questions asked 15x/day because it gets asked, answered, then 50000 chats happens and then someone new comes in and asks the same thing because the information isn't in a searchable format. I much prefer the forum/topic/discussion environment.

Who told you to fuck off? I'd be very surprised if it was Stairmaster or Delulu as I haven't seen either of them be an actual asshole in public. I don't really know any of their other mods/admins.
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For the record I did not tell her to fuck off at all.
My response was extremely cordial considering the 10 paragraphs of unsolicited criticism she sent me out of the blue at 6am. If anyone cares about this, dm me somewhere else and I’ll send you screenshots of the full convo - it’s mostly just boring and weird 😂

To any newbies reading, if you haven’t found us already, come join us on Telegram if you’re looking for an open, safe space to learn about the gray market without all this toxic pretentiousness. We have a lot more fun and you might even learn some stuff 😁

https://t.me/+jMcrqBGWRiJlZTEx
 
MiniatureSnail said:
Oof! I also have been directing the babiest of birds to the TirzHelp TG. Even though I was initially against a place like that, it does seem like some people really, truly need to be in the kiddie pool for a bit before they can swim with the big kids. Are you saying that, even in that environment, people still aren't getting the basics that it claims to provide?

TG doesn't seem like a great format to learn in because of how fast it moves. There must be like the same questions asked 15x/day because it gets asked, answered, then 50000 chats happens and then someone new comes in and asks the same thing because the information isn't in a searchable format. I much prefer the forum/topic/discussion environment.

Who told you to fuck off? I'd be very surprised if it was Stairmaster or Delulu as I haven't seen either of them be an actual asshole in public. I don't really know any of their other mods/admins.
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I tried to convince SM it was a bad idea to make a seperate location that is disconnected from the people that have historical context. It's going to end badly.
 
zpped said:
I tried to convince SM it was a bad idea to make a seperate location that is disconnected from the people that have historical context. It's going to end badly.
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I mean, after some reflection, I don't think the idea of a "shallow end" is necessarily bad, I just think TG sucks for anything other than casual chat or announcements where the channel is closed for further discussion. How am I supposed to find any meaningful information when I come back after 4+ hours and there are 1000+ messages just in one channel!? I'm not looking for a needle in that haystack.
 
MiniatureSnail said:
I mean, after some reflection, I don't think the idea of a "shallow end" is necessarily bad, I just think TG sucks for anything other than casual chat or announcements where the channel is closed for further discussion. How am I supposed to find any meaningful information when I come back after 4+ hours and there are 1000+ messages just in one channel!? I'm not looking for a needle in that haystack.
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This is the shallow end though. And it works because the important information from the deep end gets filtered up. agreed that tg is particularly bad for it as well because of the lack of context and history.

So they have two problems, not having strong connections to the deep end and an endless stream of chatter that means what you learn is entirely dependent on who's currently hanging out at any given moment.
 
delululemonade said:
For the record I did not tell her to fuck off at all.
My response was extremely cordial considering the 10 paragraphs of unsolicited criticism she sent me out of the blue at 6am. If anyone cares about this, dm me somewhere else and I’ll send you screenshots of the full convo - it’s mostly just boring and weird 😂

To any newbies reading, if you haven’t found us already, come join us on Telegram if you’re looking for an open, safe space to learn about the gray market without all this toxic pretentiousness. We have a lot more fun and you might even learn some stuff 😁

https://t.me/+jMcrqBGWRiJlZTEx
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Everyone has an opinion and something something.

I'm personally not interested in any dirty laundry. It's nice that your subreddit is directing traffic to a place where a lot of these people can receive the level of attention they might need if they want to continue their weight loss/life improvement journey.

Somehow they end up on here, and boy, what a drag it is for this forum to have to have 7 pages of posts telling people how they ought to be doing something different for the newcomer instead of actually doing it. Or people threatening to come up with their own preferred vendor list, or recon tutorial, but not actually producing anything.

Shine on!
 
brentm said:
Everyone has an opinion and something something.

I'm personally not interested in any dirty laundry. It's nice that your subreddit is directing traffic to a place where a lot of these people can receive the level of attention they might need if they want to continue their weight loss/life improvement journey.

Somehow they end up on here, and boy, what a drag it is for this forum to have to have 7 pages of posts telling people how they ought to be doing something different for the newcomer instead of actually doing it. Or people threatening to come up with their own preferred vendor list, or recon tutorial, but not actually producing anything.

Shine on!
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it must do something for you since you spend so much time here.
 
MiniatureSnail said:
I mean, after some reflection, I don't think the idea of a "shallow end" is necessarily bad, I just think TG sucks for anything other than casual chat or announcements where the channel is closed for further discussion. How am I supposed to find any meaningful information when I come back after 4+ hours and there are 1000+ messages just in one channel!? I'm not looking for a needle in that haystack.
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The actual tirzepatidehelp Telegram site is good. I agree it would be better if there was a Reddit-type group for tirzepatidehelp that didn’t have a rule prohibiting the naming of sources. But there isn’t. The GLP1 forum is set up reasonably well but has members that tend to be anti-newbie. People in the tirzhelp Telegram site are okay with newbies or else they wouldn’t belong to the channel. (I think channel is the right term, but I’m not Telegram savvy enough to know for sure.).
 
keangkong said:
The actual tirzepatidehelp Telegram site is good. I agree it would be better if there was a Reddit-type group for tirzepatidehelp that didn’t have a rule prohibiting the naming of sources. But there isn’t. The GLP1 forum is set up reasonably well but has members that tend to be anti-newbie. People in the tirzhelp Telegram site are okay with newbies or else they wouldn’t belong to the channel. (I think channel is the right term, but I’m not Telegram savvy enough to know for sure.).
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Everyone keeps saying it is anti-newbie which is not true at all. If a newbie posts:

“hi! I am new here, about to place my first order. I’ve done some reading and am stuck between Vendor X and Vendor Y for these reasons: yada yada yada. Does anyone have some anecdotal accounts that can speak to those concerns? Ideally if you’ve ordered from both that would be super helpful. Thanks very much, I appreciate you guys!”

… we would surely be welcoming and helpful. When they post “who do I buy from” it demonstrates that they have not done the bare minimum, which reads as lazy entitlement. The problem isn’t that someone is new, it is that it is both dangerous for them and disrespectful to all of us to try to outsource their due diligence to internet strangers.

If you’re new, but not that type of person, you probably won’t have to post a question anyway, since everything you need to know is all ready at your fingertips if you have a modicum of initiative. The lazy ones self-select by making those posts which gives the impression that we are anti-newbie.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Everyone keeps saying it is anti-newbie which is not true at all. If a newbie posts:

“hi! I am new here, about to place my first order. I’ve done some reading and am stuck between Vendor X and Vendor Y for these reasons: yada yada yada. Does anyone have some anecdotal accounts that can speak to those concerns? Ideally if you’ve ordered from both that would be super helpful. Thanks very much, I appreciate you guys!”

… we would surely be welcoming and helpful. When they post “who do I buy from” it demonstrates that they have not done the bare minimum, which reads as lazy entitlement. The problem isn’t that someone is new, it is that it is both dangerous for them and disrespectful to all of us to try to outsource their due diligence to internet strangers.

If you’re new, but not that type of person, you probably won’t have to post a question anyway, since everything you need to know is all ready at your fingertips if you have a modicum of initiative. The lazy ones self-select by making those posts which gives the impression that we are anti-newbie.
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Nah, there was a whole thread of people complaining about the anticipation of the influx of new accounts when the compound Tirz rugpull occurred.

I mean, you're going to get your fair share of newcomers that are the "lazy ones".

That's what the spreadsheets were for. But no one has come up with a better version of it that pleases everyone. Vendor vetting on here is "bare minimum" at best. And maybe sometimes people just want someone with some time under their belt to tell them the time. Not build a clock.

It's not about being lazy as much as it is an attempt to be efficient. Or maybe it is lazy... let them spend money.... financial loss is a great teacher.

Heck, for longer than I care to admit, I thought purity meant no contaminants.
 
brentm said:
Nah, there was a whole thread of people complaining about the anticipation of the influx of new accounts when the compound Tirz rugpull occurred.

I mean, you're going to get your fair share of newcomers that are the "lazy ones".

That's what the spreadsheets were for. But no one has come up with a better version of it that pleases everyone. Vendor vetting on here is "bare minimum" at best. And maybe sometimes people just want someone with some time under their belt to tell them the time. Not build a clock.

It's not about being lazy as much as it is an attempt to be efficient. Or maybe it is lazy... let them spend money.... financial loss is a great teacher.

Heck, for longer than I care to admit, I thought purity meant no contaminants.
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If you actually believe that and you want to be helpful and not just contrarian then instead of shitposting here all day go to the spinoff forum and get your guy to open up/take down the wall that he put the spreadsheet behind, we'll gladly direct them there.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
If you actually believe that and you want to be helpful and not just contrarian then instead of shitposting here all day go to the spinoff forum and get your guy to open up/take down the wall that he put the spreadsheet behind, we'll gladly direct them there.
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exploitedworkerbee said:
Is it really that out of line to instruct newcomers that this isn’t a joke, they need to take responsibility for their own education because it involves personal risk assessment about decisions and consequences that only effect them, potentially quite seriously? All in a landscape full of cash grabbing opportunists? It’s not a “friendly” thing to say but the reality is that they’re wandering into a lion’s den with their wallet in hand and health on the line.

It is irresponsible not to take this approach in my opinion. You can’t spoon feed them whoever your preferred vendor is and then say “but I’m not responsible if you experience bad outcomes!”
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That part kind of blows my mind, these people want a random internet stranger to tell them who to order from and what to do, and they're going to blindly follow that information like its reputable or fact. Scary shit lol
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
If that happens we will send over all the lazy entitled ones for you to hold their hands and for baba to prey on their inexperience but we are keeping the ones that show some initiative for ourselves
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C'mon bee, that was a great meme in response to what you were saying. I know everyone in this thread is wrapped up in despising each other, but you got to admit that was a good response. It caught me off guard 🤣
 
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