GB's that aren't actually GB's - Carry the Torch!

[nurseratchit]

@Broken Chef @MrsRoper_1977 @G Vice @Mrpmrp
The Group Buy Devil is definitely in the Promo Details!
Vendors are quite deliberately blurring the merchandising distinctions between Real Group Buys, Group Buys so-called, and Promos.
Example: QSC opening an accurately named, competitive priced and WELCOME Discord PROMO channel while touting it as a GROUP BUY on GLP1forum.com's Vendor Forum and others.
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Can you explain to me the difference between this and ASCs August GB that you somewhat promoted with your own separate post. I think it's because QSC offers to pay for individual post-purchase testing...is that correct? Or am I missing something?

 

[Broken Chef]

I think it's because QSC offers to pay for individual post-purchase testing..

I know you asked Dionysos, but..

if by "individual" you mean any individual buyer who asks, I'm certain that's a No.

I'm not sure if they do 3rd party testing on their gb's or not... If that's what you were asking, and it's a good question, perhaps someone else will chime in.

What most vendors do offer is a replacement kit - if you spend $300 for a test and it comes back below 99% purity and/or underfilled by more than 10%. But then you'd probably want to test the replacement, so another $300.

Most people aren't willing to shell out the extra $. And this is why I prefer a gb that comes with 3 vial 3rd party testing. I have no issues paying an extra $10-$20 per kit for that. If the facilitator is making money for all the time they spend organizing, testing, monitoring the server, setting up buys, etc - I have no issue with that either. I'm happy to pay a bit extra to avoid having to spend $300+ and sacrifice vials.

 

[Drexeldragon216]

I know you asked Dionysos, but..

if by "individual" you mean any individual buyer who asks, I'm certain that's a No.

I'm not sure if they do 3rd party testing on their gb's or not... If that's what you were asking, and it's a good question, perhaps someone else will chime in.

What most vendors do offer is a replacement kit - if you spend $300 for a test and it comes back below 99% purity and/or underfilled by more than 10%. But then you'd probably want to test the replacement, so another $300.

Most people aren't willing to shell out the extra $. And this is why I prefer a gb that comes with 3 vial 3rd party testing. I have no issues paying an extra $10-$20 per kit for that. If the facilitator is making money for all the time they spend organizing, testing, monitoring the server, setting up buys, etc - I have no issue with that either. I'm happy to pay a bit extra to avoid having to spend $300+ and sacrifice vials.

That’s what makes the GB appealing to me, the built in testing.

 

[Broken Chef]

That’s what makes the GB appealing to me, the built in testing.

Egg Zackly

 

[MingHenry]

Just a heads up to the newer folks. You may have found your way into some GB servers pretty quickly that are hosted by vendors. They are having SALES/PROMOTIONS and calling them GB's. PLEASE do not confuse these with real GB's. A real group buy will often include free or cheap shipping (usually with a min order), post purchase testing that is organized by the buyer , NOT the vendor, and everyone gets the same price. The good group buys will not come as an open invite in this forum where dozens can just click. Getting in to a quality GB requires a bit of proving yourself, getting to know people, working your way up through the ranks (quite literally in some cases).

These promo's being wrongfully called GB's often require each person to order xx kits to get a better price (rather than everyone getting the discount), testing is either chaotic, extra, or non existent and left to the buyers to figure out on their own - no different than ordering from Amo and putting together a test group

Those who came before us have worked very hard to develop the 'Criteria" for a legit GB. It is the obligation of new members to understand what a real GB is, and not confuse it with these promotions. I fear what has been known as a GB is going to get misunderstood, diluted and the great things that come with it will go away or become nearly impossible to find.

We, as buyers, need to be holding these vendors to the high standards that our predecessors set in play. @dionysos has said it numerous times... As soon as we back off and allow low expectations, the vendors will take advantage, and the low expectations will become the norm.

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years. It is our duty as new members to carry the torch! Accept no substitutions!

If Compounding pharmacies are made to stop selling glp1's, this place is going to get nuts. So the people coming in now are ahead of this and need to be educated, so that when the flood gates open, you too can help direct the new people.

Don't let the greatness of a real GB get watered down to a sales blitz that comes with no perks!

End Panicked Rant.

So helpful, thank you!

 

[zpped]

Egg Zackly

It's not perfect there either. Group buy organizers can change the terms of the deal however they see fit. Another organizer recently got caught photoshopping test results because the lab didn't have public verification...

My point is, one model isn't better than the other. Vendors shouldn't be calling them group buys though.

 

[PopTart]

I’ve spent a fair amount of time watching and studying various group promos and GBs. I analyze previous promos/GBs to understand what is being sold, the conditions of the sale, pitfalls, limits, and risk. I read thru the chat. A lot can be learned by watching.

Be careful of promos. Know what you are getting, ask for the COA, understand the conditions of the sale. I saw a COA for a peptide in a promo with a purity of 95%. Some promos are clearance sales.

With that said, I like what I see at QSC. Yes, response and communication can be trying at times. The vendor pays for 3 vials to be tested and the vials are selected by a bot, through the test coordinator, on discord, from those who are willing to donate a vial to be tested. It’s a transparent process.

If more people want vials tested from that GB, there is a testing coordinator who will organize that group, determine cost, and coordinate shipping of vials for testing.

There is also group testing opportunities for promos as well and handled by a testing coordinator in the same manner.

Knowledge is power.

 

[Broken Chef]

This is great, thanks much for engaging in the conversation. I understand the various limitations and issues, but still feel that "the right" gb is the best way to go.

I am in the QSC servers, but it's just so chaotic in there and hard to follow all the chatter - I feel like it would take a lot of time to figure out what's going on and follow along. I chose to spend that time elsewhere and focus on getting in to some of the better gb options and learning how those operate.

Even with the hundreds of hours I've spent researching, I'm still very much new to all of this and have MUCH to learn, so I appreciate those of you who have commented on the things I've missed and providing alternate views. It shows how big this community is and how many different directions one can go to reach the desired outcome.

I'm fond of the gb options as they are like their own little community, which I'm sure QSC is as well.

It's a shame that so many bad actors have caused so many issues and made things so difficult for newcomers. I'm developing a deep understanding for the secrecy that surrounds so many aspects and why the strict rules are in place. On the other hand, I want the community to grow and help others discover the gift of peptides. The struggle is real.

If anyone has info regarding the various legal ramifications of this grey market, I'd love to chat about that. Most seem to understand they exist, but I've not seen it discussed anywhere. Happy to do so by phone or a discord voice chat to make it easier and less time consuming.

I'm very much interested in learning all aspects and being heavily involved in the market. I'm physically disabled, but my brain still works, mostly. I've not been this curious, enthusiastic, or just plain excited about something to this degree in many years. It has sparked a drive in me that I thought was lost.

 

[nurseratchit]

This has been such an informative thread and I appreciate everyone’s different perspectives.

 

[epochalypso]

So not to sound dense but Annie who goes under @anniemissfit and has a big telegram channel. I was recommended by another person and they confirmed they are with QYC but I so far only have a QSC telegram where tons of people confirm their sales and testing.

Email: anniemissfit@gmail.com
WhatsApp +852 7074 1685
I saw them mentioned via another person that they were legit but wanted to see if anyone else had experiences?

 

[milos]

So not to sound dense but Annie who goes under @anniemissfit and has a big telegram channel. I was recommended by another person and they confirmed they are with QYC but I so far only have a QSC telegram where tons of people confirm their sales and testing.

Email: anniemissfit@gmail.com
WhatsApp +852 7074 1685
I saw them mentioned via another person that they were legit but wanted to see if anyone else had experiences?

I only know Annie from GYC company, and this is not her contact
if you mean a different vendor can you please provide full company name for QYC?

 

[gothpeacock]

So not to sound dense but Annie who goes under @anniemissfit and has a big telegram channel. I was recommended by another person and they confirmed they are with QYC but I so far only have a QSC telegram where tons of people confirm their sales and testing.

Email: anniemissfit@gmail.com
WhatsApp +852 7074 1685
I saw them mentioned via another person that they were legit but wanted to see if anyone else had experiences?

I linked up with Annie via a referral, and have ordered a kit of BPC/TB from her. Communication (through telegram) was prompt and professional, and she provided 3rd party test results supposedly from this batch. Will report back once it arrives in a few days. The person who referred me has ordered Tirz of varying strengths from Annie for months, he and his family are all researching with it and find it effective. No issues to report.

 

[milos]

I linked up with Annie via a referral, and have ordered a kit of BPC/TB from her. Communication (through telegram) was prompt and professional, and she provided 3rd party test results supposedly from this batch. Will report back once it arrives in a few days. The person who referred me has ordered Tirz of varying strengths from Annie for months, he and his family are all researching with it and find it effective. No issues to report.

And you didn't ask for the company background?
Just order from anonymous person online?

 

[gothpeacock]

And you didn't ask for the company background?
Just order from anonymous person online?

I do plan to get it tested before research. I appreciate you making sure Im being responsible, I just didn’t include every detail of my due diligence in my comment here.

 

[gothpeacock]

And you didn't ask for the company background?
Just order from anonymous person online?

Editing / adding to this that the company is Wuhan Innotech. I figured this out with some digging.

 

[milos]

Editing / adding to this that the company is Wuhan Innotech. I figured this out with some digging.

That's all we need to know, thanks. It is a less known vendor, but has some reviews and 3rd party tests, the results were not always good, but it is relatively OK -> look around at peppys.
And please keep us updated as we don't have any review about them here.

 

[gothpeacock]

That's all we need to know, thanks. It is a less known vendor, but has some reviews and 3rd party tests, the results were not always good, but it is relatively OK -> look around at peppys.
And please keep us updated as we don't have any review about them here.

Thank you! That’s partly why I pulled the trigger on a small order, I have good anecdotal reports from a few customers I know but other reviews are mixed. I’m trying out a few vendors for science 🧪

 

[Myhealthmybiz]

Case in point - I ordered from a QSC promo recently. In the text of the promo, the product prices were listed, and were a bit of a discount off the regular listed price. Below the item list was a list of links to Jano test results. If you look at the wording carefully, there is really no statement that says "you will get a product from the same batch as this test shown here". It's just a list of EXAMPLE test results of the same product, could be from any batch. Makes you THINK these are the tested items, but QSC has made it clear that you get whatever cap color you get. So the tests they post in conjunction with those promos is IMO misleading and should basically just be ignored entirely.

In my case, the listed Jano test result had a cap color shown. When I received my items, the cap color didn't match. A few other people received this item and mentioned that the cap color didn't match the cap color on the test. When questioned about the received item, QSC said that the batch received had never been tested by QSC. A 3rd party person apparently did test the product, it was 'great', but QSC won't release that test result because it was given to them by an individual.

On top of that, people received the same untested item after having purchased it off list (not off promo), and having paid more for it.

So, now there's a bit of confusion. There's no batch number on the packaging for the items I received, no real way to include my items with any other items. There are a FEW people in the Q discords who are interested in joining in a test, but who's to say their items are even the same as mine, since some got the item on promo, and some got it off the list?

At the end of the day, if I'd waited for a real GB that included testing, I'd have a much better assurance that my items were in fact part of a larger batch produced for a group, and then vials randomly selected from that batch and tested by the group wouldn't have to be donate by me. I may not receive my items until after all that happens, but once I get them, I can use them with a reasonable expectation that they are what I paid for.

As it stands, I have several vials of who knows what in my cupboard that I won't use at the moment. Since interest in testing seems low, I'll likely end up just sending in two vials for testing at my own expense. I've never gone through that process, but what the hey, I'll learn all about THAT soon too 🙂

Promos are definitely NOT GBs, and any vendor calling a promo a GB is being disingenuous. I'm sure I'll buy items off a promo again, and maybe in the near future even, but when I do, I'll factor in the cost of submitting my own vials for testing at my own expense. If I end up saving a few bucks when others want to jump in, great. But I won't plan on it. For an actual GB, I'm much more confident in the testing results that will be produced being attached to the actual items I'm purchasing.

 

[MrsRoper_1977]

Case in point - I ordered from a QSC promo recently. In the text of the promo, the product prices were listed, and were a bit of a discount off the regular listed price. Below the item list was a list of links to Jano test results. If you look at the wording carefully, there is really no statement that says "you will get a product from the same batch as this test shown here". It's just a list of EXAMPLE test results of the same product, could be from any batch. Makes you THINK these are the tested items, but QSC has made it clear that you get whatever cap color you get. So the tests they post in conjunction with those promos is IMO misleading and should basically just be ignored entirely.

In my case, the listed Jano test result had a cap color shown. When I received my items, the cap color didn't match. A few other people received this item and mentioned that the cap color didn't match the cap color on the test. When questioned about the received item, QSC said that the batch received had never been tested by QSC. A 3rd party person apparently did test the product, it was 'great', but QSC won't release that test result because it was given to them by an individual.

On top of that, people received the same untested item after having purchased it off list (not off promo), and having paid more for it.

So, now there's a bit of confusion. There's no batch number on the packaging for the items I received, no real way to include my items with any other items. There are a FEW people in the Q discords who are interested in joining in a test, but who's to say their items are even the same as mine, since some got the item on promo, and some got it off the list?

At the end of the day, if I'd waited for a real GB that included testing, I'd have a much better assurance that my items were in fact part of a larger batch produced for a group, and then vials randomly selected from that batch and tested by the group wouldn't have to be donate by me. I may not receive my items until after all that happens, but once I get them, I can use them with a reasonable expectation that they are what I paid for.

As it stands, I have several vials of who knows what in my cupboard that I won't use at the moment. Since interest in testing seems low, I'll likely end up just sending in two vials for testing at my own expense. I've never gone through that process, but what the hey, I'll learn all about THAT soon too 🙂

Promos are definitely NOT GBs, and any vendor calling a promo a GB is being disingenuous. I'm sure I'll buy items off a promo again, and maybe in the near future even, but when I do, I'll factor in the cost of submitting my own vials for testing at my own expense. If I end up saving a few bucks when others want to jump in, great. But I won't plan on it. For an actual GB, I'm much more confident in the testing results that will be produced being attached to the actual items I'm purchasing.

Ya I think their promos are essentially clearance sales. It sucks to think you’re getting a certain tested product. But you have a great attitude about it.

 

[Myhealthmybiz]

Ya I think their promos are essentially clearance sales. It sucks to think you’re getting a certain tested product. But you have a great attitude about it.

Well really if I'd read things carefully and in the spirit they were written, instead of the spirit I wanted them to be written (because wheee peptides!!), nothing was being hidden from me 🙂 Just part of learning to navigate a different space.

 

[RedSkip]

Well really if I'd read things carefully and in the spirit they were written, instead of the spirit I wanted them to be written (because wheee peptides!!), nothing was being hidden from me 🙂 Just part of learning to navigate a different space.

Gunga galunga, gunga gunga galunga…

 

[Gwenhwyfar227]

I am relieved to see that was so well received! I'm a bit of a jabberjaw and sometimes get into TMI territory. I hesitate to say certain things here because there are things that are kind of hush hush. But on the other hand, I know what it was like walking in the door. Also want to protect this precious community. It's worth fighting for. Thanks for all the feedback!

I STILL haven't been invited to a real GB..lol...but I'm sure when a real one comes along I will find my way in..hahahaha

 

[Myhealthmybiz]

Gunga galunga, gunga gunga galunga…

…so, I got that going for me 😂

 

[zpped]

Well really if I'd read things carefully and in the spirit they were written, instead of the spirit I wanted them to be written (because wheee peptides!!), nothing was being hidden from me 🙂 Just part of learning to navigate a different space.

You're being too generous. It's done that way with the very explicit purpose of deceiving people.

 

[PopTart]

Exactly what zpped said. I looked at that promo wording and the COA for a really low priced peptide and realized it was going to be a shit show.

Tracy posted this over on mesorx about cap color.

 

[dmod1]

Oh wow, I assumed that if you bought from the QSC group buy you would get something from that tested batch they listed. They also say they will cover testing of 3 shipped vials from the batch. Is that not correct? I just bought into the t30 buy that ended today, so I guess I’ll see what happens.

 

[PopTart]

QSC has a growth problem IMO. The demand exceeds production capabilities and shortcuts lead to QA/QC problems.

 

[gothpeacock]

Exactly what zpped said. I looked at that promo wording and the COA for a really low priced peptide and realized it was going to be a shit show.

Tracy posted this over on mesorx about cap color.
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Wow lol what a wonderful customer service attitude 🥴

 

[PopTart]

Oh wow, I assumed that if you bought from the QSC group buy you would get something from that tested batch they listed. They also say they will cover testing of 3 shipped vials from the batch. Is that not correct? I just bought into the t30 buy that ended today, so I guess I’ll see what happens.

QSC GBs seem to have predictable (positive) outcomes so hopefully you’re good. The QSC promos can be clearance sales so they may be leftovers from prior batches combined with product from current batches. I stay clear of promos….it’s often what is not said in the promo description that causes me to hesitate.

EDIT: added QSC as this post is vendor specific

 

[milos]

GBs seem to have predictable (positive) outcomes so hopefully you’re good. The promos can be clearance sales so they may be leftovers from prior batches combined with product from current batches. I stay clear of promos….it’s often what is not said in the promo description that causes me to hesitate.

however ... some vendors are offering during promo specific batch number and show upfront jano test for the batch - example is GB4 from GYC right now
SRY also selling upfront tested batch right now but not batch numbers (yet) only top colors id