Gray market crackdown ?

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There have been a number of posts here recently linking to articles talking about a crackdown on the grey market. US border patrol seizures, DOJ actions and lawsuits from big Pharma. I’m no expert but my feeling is that they will always be available. So long as there is a market of people wanting it there will be companies willing to take the risk. if they bust a shipment or a domestic reseller, others will pop up in their place. Hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars are involved. If fentanyl can get through then so can a GLP-1 peptide.
 
This post made me think. I am relatively new to peptides. Not so new I don't have an inventory of my top four peptides from my favorite three vendors that could last a year or two.
BUT I am too new to see the ebb and flow of seasonal availability or trends of that nature? If one was playing the long game and could sit back and watch for a year, when do the vendors get active and suggest there is a lot of inventory? It "seems" like there has been a slowdown of a lot of certain skus? Right before CNY there seemed like a lot of activity going on?
Can someone share their observations of annual cycles who has been doing this for awhile? Thanks.
 
I recall similar pronouncements back when Napster was a popular way to share/pirate music. Now, it's true that music piracy still exists today, but I'd wager than 90% of the people here don't know how to do it because they made it just hard enough to motivate most normal people to pay for their music. And then Bittorrent came along, which was too normie friendly. Did industry sit on their hands when that came alone? No, they clogged up the courts by filing individual lawsuits against everyone they could bust participating in the service, forcing people to pay hundred to thousands of dollars in settlements as a deterrent.

Pharma has much deeper pockets and given the retail price of these meds they have much more work ahead of them (VS keeping people from saving a buck here and there on a digital song). But I suspect they're up to the task of ensuring that 80% to 90% of consumers find gray to be too inconvenient to ever consider. Can't say what they'll do exactly, of course.
 
I think they are around, but as other options get cheaper they become less interesting. Gray is so big because how expensive the legit stuff is. If insurance companies can make a deal and I can get it covered for $100 a month, what's the point. Even if it's an inferior product not dealing with the hassle and risks make it worth it.
 
BNLFL said:
I think maybe having a 5 year reserve is sufficient. I need to figure out what I have and order from there. I'm sure I'll be just maintaining eventually.
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This is what I'm trying to do. Have a multi-year buffer in case things get hard to source, and then try to maintain from there.

Trouble is, I keep finding more things I want to try! (Reta, Cagri, TB500, BPC157, GHK-Cu, etc!)

I track what's in my freezer on an excel spreadsheet. One benefit of staying a yr+ ahead of what I'm using is giving time for problems with batches to be revealed before I'm pinning them.
 
AcadiaPeptides said:
This post made me think. I am relatively new to peptides. Not so new I don't have an inventory of my top four peptides from my favorite three vendors that could last a year or two.
BUT I am too new to see the ebb and flow of seasonal availability or trends of that nature? If one was playing the long game and could sit back and watch for a year, when do the vendors get active and suggest there is a lot of inventory? It "seems" like there has been a slowdown of a lot of certain skus? Right before CNY there seemed like a lot of activity going on?
Can someone share their observations of annual cycles who has been doing this for awhile? Thanks.
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I haven't been peptiding for long but I buy in a different market segment from CN for several years.

I do all my buying from late March/early April until the end of November for last deliveries of the year received by early December.

I've applied the same approach here. It worked out this cycle.
 
deluge said:
This is what I'm trying to do. Have a multi-year buffer in case things get hard to source, and then try to maintain from there.

Trouble is, I keep finding more things I want to try! (Reta, Cagri, TB500, BPC157, GHK-Cu, etc!)

I track what's in my freezer on an excel spreadsheet. One benefit of staying a yr+ ahead of what I'm using is giving time for problems with batches to be revealed before I'm pinning them.
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Reta only, so I'm good. Currently waiting on a group buy, and testing to come back for fresh R30 and R60. One R60 should last us, wife and I one year at 6mg/week.
 
HereKittyKitty said:
I haven't been peptiding for long but I buy in a different market segment from CN for several years.

I do all my buying from late March/early April until the end of November for last deliveries of the year received by early December.

I've applied the same approach here. It worked out this cycle.
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This is exactly what I have been doing...my goal is to have 5 yrs built up to run any protocol I want when I want. Unfortunately I pep my horses with BPC so it seems no matter how much I have, I don't have enough.
Thinking of doing a 1.7k buy at Uther just for their 40mg BPC vials...

Anyone know of a vendor that sells 40mg vials of BPC other than Uther? I'd rather not plunk down that much all in one order for just one item.
 
HereKittyKitty said:
I haven't been peptiding for long but I buy in a different market segment from CN for several years.

I do all my buying from late March/early April until the end of November for last deliveries of the year received by early December.

I've applied the same approach here. It worked out this cycle.
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So you have been doing all your buying for the year around this time of year? Seems like slim pickings of late. I should look a little harder I guess.
 
FarmgirlRebel said:
This is exactly what I have been doing...my goal is to have 5 yrs built up to run any protocol I want when I want. Unfortunately I pep my horses with BPC so it seems no matter how much I have, I don't have enough.
Thinking of doing a 1.7k buy at Uther just for their 40mg BPC vials...

Anyone know of a vendor that sells 40mg vials of BPC other than Uther? I'd rather not plunk down that much all in one order for just one item.
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Curious, I thought tb 500 was designed originally for horses? Is BPC and better option for them?
 
AcadiaPeptides said:
So you have been doing all your buying for the year around this time of year? Seems like slim pickings of late. I should look a little harder I guess.
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I said I buy from CN in a different market segment and that is my buying schedule. Completely different products than peptides. I am following the same schedule since starting grey last year. So far, so good.
 
CNCCurrency said:
Curious, I thought tb 500 was designed originally for horses? Is BPC and better option for them?
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Yep...I don't think it was designed for them, but they get the same benefits as we do. I have a mare here with fecal water syndrome (it's yuck) and she gets BPC and KPV and it is really doing well by her.
BPC is a staple in the barn...but I have also used TB500 when I'm putting some extra stress on joints and tendons, esp at the beginning of the ride season (like now)
 
FarmgirlRebel said:
Yep...I don't think it was designed for them, but they get the same benefits as we do. I have a mare here with fecal water syndrome (it's yuck) and she gets BPC and KPV and it is really doing well by her.
BPC is a staple in the barn...but I have also used TB500 when I'm putting some extra stress on joints and tendons, esp at the beginning of the ride season (like now)
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Maybe i saw it in a anti doping article.
 
leeann82 said:
It doesnt help with all these tik tokers and other buffoons posting pics of their "discreet packaging" all over the socials. They're telling the feds exactly what to look for.
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Pet peeve! Not to mention they have zero clue what they’re talking about half the time. I wish all social media flagged them as a violation and get anything peptide related taken down.
 
CNCCurrency said:
Maybe i saw it in a anti doping article.
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Yes...you are correct. BPC cannot be used in any WADA horse competitions or racing industry. But they all (well not all) do it. It really is a shame because BPC is much safer for the horses than the typical NSAID Bute that is typically used as an analgesic. As well, it doesn't mask pain, rather repair ...dumb, dumb stupid rule that actually harms horses.
 
FarmgirlRebel said:
This is exactly what I have been doing...my goal is to have 5 yrs built up to run any protocol I want when I want. Unfortunately I pep my horses with BPC so it seems no matter how much I have, I don't have enough.
Thinking of doing a 1.7k buy at Uther just for their 40mg BPC vials...

Anyone know of a vendor that sells 40mg vials of BPC other than Uther? I'd rather not plunk down that much all in one order for just one item.
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Let me check with a vendor I have, before you do that. They sometimes take special orders.
 
We're always in the middle of a "gray market crackdown" or a "compounding pharmacy crackdown". It's why I'm still burning through a stash of T30 I panic bought in September 2024 at around $220 a kit. I figure my wife an I will finally burn through it all in another year or two 🤣
 
I looked the Dec/Jan/Feb offering from the marketplace and compare them to their current prices.
 
AcadiaPeptides said:
So you have been doing all your buying for the year around this time of year? Seems like slim pickings of late. I should look a little harder I guess.
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I just got in to a group buy for T-100 for $215. I wont see it in my hands for about 90 days, but still at that price I figured why not. At current usage that puts me and wife at 3ish years worth.
 
As a reminder, the entertainment industry was willing to take on the bad press that came with financially devastating a sympathetic defendant in court to accomplish their goal of scaring normies away from piracy:
www.nbcnews.com

Single mom can't pay $1.5M song-sharing fine

A Minnesota woman ordered to pay a recording industry trade group $1.5 million for illegally sharing music online doesn't plan to pay those damages as her attorneys continue to argue the amount is unconstitutional, she said Thursday.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Pharma already has a history of being willing to let people die from undisclosed side effects they purposely hid from regulators. For now pharma likes gray reta because it's generating amazing organic social media marketing for them that they could never hope to achieve through paid marketing. I have no idea what their approach will be once they decide it's time to bring that revenue stream home, though. LOL
 
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