Has anybody plotted out serum concentrations of tirz over time based on overlapping dosage at different spacing intervals?

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Like the title says, I’m curious what the effect of dosing tirz on a 5 or maybe 4 day interval will be on cumulative serum concentration.

It should be pretty basic math based on below chart, but I’m too lazy to do it at the moment, and hoping someone else has done the work for me.
 

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Like the title says, I’m curious what the effect of dosing tirz on a 5 or maybe 4 day interval will be on cumulative serum concentration.

It should be pretty basic math based on below chart, but I’m too lazy to do it at the moment, and hoping someone else has done the work for me.
There's a website specifically to calculate this - https://glp1plotter.com/
 
So here’s a plot of t15 on a 7 days schedule vs t12 on a 5 day’s schedule.

I think it’s obvious 5 days schedule of 80% dosage is far more desirable.
 

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So here’s a plot of t15 on a 7 days schedule vs t12 on a 5 day’s schedule.

I think it’s obvious 5 days schedule of 80% dosage is far more desirable.
I wouldn't say, in general our body will take more time to get used to peaks, which in turn may help for tolerance.

That's not specifically for peptide, it's just how our body adapts in general.
 
Excellent link. Tks. So much better than an Excel spreadsheet. Great for not overdosing and for stacking. Now, I wonder how would my rat's body react if I microdose Triz 2.0-2.5mg every day? The residual seems to be pretty constant and the peak about the same as 15mg every 7 days. Is that an option to get around a plateau? Like shortening the dosing period by one day each month and adjusting the dose down?
 
Excellent link. Tks. So much better than an Excel spreadsheet. Great for not overdosing and for stacking. Now, I wonder how would my rat's body react if I microdose Triz 2.0-2.5mg every day? The residual seems to be pretty constant and the peak about the same as 15mg every 7 days. Is that an option to get around a plateau? Like shortening the dosing period by one day each month and adjusting the dose down?
No, you want those peaks, there's a reason why they didn't do that in the study.
 
No, you want those peaks, there's a reason why they didn't do that in the study.
Not sure im following you. You’re saying the peaks are helpful in staving off tolerance (and reduced effectiveness)?

Based on what data?

I’d imagine we are studying a weekly dosing schedule because people are stupid and afraid of needles generally, so the goal is to make it as idiot proof as possible for the masses this is intended for.
 
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FYI, I did a bunch of research yesterday (instead of all the pre Xmas stuff I need to do - another rabbit hole of distraction).

Anyways, from what I learned, it seems peptide are typically sealed with a vacuum of about 70-80%.

I’m not sure how much my chamber vac is capable of, but the dial goes lower than that. I will test it today and of course try to keep well below.
 
Not sure im following you. You’re saying the peaks are helpful in staving off tolerance (and reduced effectiveness)?

Based on what data?

I’d imagine we are studying a weekly dosing schedule because people are stupid and afraid of needles generally, so the goal is to make it as idiot proof as possible for the masses this is intended for.
There's many ways to look at it. I'm on Prograf (anti rejection medication) and a stable level is desired to prevent rejection. This might not be as effective with GLP medications and may cause the user to need ever increasing dosages to be effective. There's always been the argument that periods of feast and famine trick the metabolism which might be behind the dosing schedule or that the peaks and valleys help with efficacy. Intermittent fasting and the rationale there.

Weekly injections are life changing for those dealing with diabetes. Living life with a weekly GLP remedy instead of living by the moment with insulin shots, a CGM or finger sticks is transformative.
 
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Yes, I plotted out the difference between 7, 5, and 3.5 days.

For now, I think I like 3.5 days best, twice a week to match the change of my estrogen patch.

It keeps the serum levels high enough that I have all of the benefits, without the extreme peaks that cause bad side effects.
 
Yes, I plotted out the difference between 7, 5, and 3.5 days.

For now, I think I like 3.5 days best, twice a week to match the change of my estrogen patch.

It keeps the serum levels high enough that I have all of the benefits, without the extreme peaks that cause bad side effects.
I didn't know about these plotting things but I have been on 2 shots a week, just like my estrogen patch, and I am almost at goal. I had extreme swings in food cravings at the start, which were never my issue and I didn't like it. I found a group talking about the 2x's a week and so I went with it.
 
I'm wondering if both ways (4 day or 7) could be the right answer for different scenarios. Maybe the 7 day is best for rapid weight loss, while the more constant supply of GLP1 of the 4 day could be beneficial for other therapeutic benefits.

Thoughts?
 
Yes, there is a reason. However, I assume the reason to be that they wanted once weekly dosing. It's easier to get people to take a medicine if it's only once per week.
I don't think Novo/Lilly had to dumb down a drug designed for diabetics. Diabetics are accustomed to finger sticks or CGMs, insulin injections and daily or as needed medications. If FDA approval was based on dumb Americans remembering when to dose the US would be drug free.
 
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I don't think Novo/Lilly had to dumb down a drug designed for diabetics. Diabetics are accustomed to finger sticks or CGMs, insulin injections and daily or as needed medications. If FDA approval was based on dumb Americans remembering when to dose the US would be drug free.
I don't know many pills, even with long half lives, that require once per week dosing. Once per week dosing is usually reserved for more inconvenient dosing. As to not having to take the medicine every day, that's an advantage for many diabetics.
 
This is what my girlfriend said:
Yes, there are several reasons why a medication might be prescribed with a once-a-week dose instead of daily or bi-weekly. The decision often comes down to effectiveness, patient convenience, and how the drug is absorbed and processed by the body.


Here are some of the main advantages of a once-a-week medication:


1. Sustained Release/Long Half-Life:


  • Some medications are designed to be slow-release or have a long half-life, meaning they stay active in your system for longer periods. This allows for less frequent dosing while still maintaining consistent therapeutic effects.
  • For example, some medications used for chronic conditions (like GLP-1 agonists such as tirzepatide) or hormone therapies are formulated to be long-acting, meaning they can work effectively with a weekly dose.

2. Patient Convenience and Adherence:


  • Taking medication weekly is often much easier for patients, especially for chronic conditions where long-term adherence is important. Weekly dosing helps improve compliance, as patients are less likely to forget their medication.
  • It's easier to remember a weekly dose compared to daily or bi-weekly doses.

3. Reduced Side Effects:


  • Some medications cause side effects that may be less pronounced when taken less frequently. By spacing out the doses, the body can avoid high peaks of the drug concentration, potentially reducing side effects like nausea, headaches, or gastrointestinal issues.
  • With weekly dosing, the body can adjust to a steady state without overwhelming it with a higher concentration that daily doses might cause.

4. Lower Peaks and Troughs:


  • Some medications have peaks (high concentration) and troughs (low concentration) in their effect when taken daily. A weekly dose can allow for a smoother, more consistent effect by flattening the peaks and troughs, ensuring the drug stays active in the system at a steady level over time.

5. Specialized Formulations:


  • Some drugs are specially formulated to be slow-release, such as extended-release tablets or injectables. These formulations gradually release the medication over time, making it effective for longer durations.
  • For example, some hormonal therapies and biologic injections are designed to provide therapeutic levels with minimal fluctuations, which works well with weekly dosing.

6. Cost and Insurance Benefits:


  • In some cases, having a weekly dose can be more cost-effective for both the patient and the healthcare system, as it reduces the number of prescriptions or visits to a healthcare provider. It's more convenient and can be more affordable than daily or bi-weekly therapies.

Examples of Weekly Medications:


  • GLP-1 Agonists (e.g., tirzepatide, semaglutide) – Often prescribed weekly for diabetes or weight loss. These drugs have long half-lives, allowing for less frequent administration.
  • Hormonal Therapies (e.g., testosterone replacement) – Some testosterone therapies are designed to be injected weekly, as they have a long-lasting effect in the body.
  • Biologic Drugs – Medications for autoimmune conditions like Rheumatoid Arthritis (e.g., Humira) may be prescribed on a weekly or bi-weekly basis due to their prolonged effects.

In short, the decision to prescribe once-weekly medication is often based on maximizing effectiveness, convenience, and patient compliance while minimizing side effects.
 

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