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So lucky to have found you all! I’ve been silently reading everything for the past two weeks- finally made an account to join the fun. My RS is on a weight loss journey after a pregnancy loss. She lost 5 lbs through diet and exercise over 2 months and another 6 just in the past 3 weeks that she’s been on Tirz 2.5mg/wk. only 25lbs to go lol

She loves working out (cycle classes, HIIT circuits, lifting, hikes with her dog, swimming). She’s a vegetarian so it’s hard getting her daily protein in but she is really trying now to hit at least 100g every day.

I have a theory that since she doesn’t eat meat, she’s not getting any L-Carnitine in her regular diet. And I think that makes fat metabolism harder for her body. I’ve ordered some AOD9604 (I know I know) and she’s going to take L-Carnitine with it fasted in the morning, then go on a run with her pup. She will do this for 2 months and report back. Five days on, two days off. She gets the weekends off lol. The theory is, alongside the Tirz, AOD is going to aid in kick starting lipolysis. The L-Carn will help shuttle the free fat to be metabolized for energy. Since she’s working out 2x a day (morning run or hike with pup and a studio class in evening), she’ll need that energy. If she was more sedimentary, she could have taken Lipo-c and avoided the painful IM injection of L-Carn but like I said, I think she actually needs it.

Has anyone else tried this stack and what was your experience? Happy to hear from you!
 
Pinmebaby1moretime said:
So lucky to have found you all! I’ve been silently reading everything for the past two weeks- finally made an account to join the fun. My RS is on a weight loss journey after a pregnancy loss. She lost 5 lbs through diet and exercise over 2 months and another 6 just in the past 3 weeks that she’s been on Tirz 2.5mg/wk. only 25lbs to go lol

She loves working out (cycle classes, HIIT circuits, lifting, hikes with her dog, swimming). She’s a vegetarian so it’s hard getting her daily protein in but she is really trying now to hit at least 100g every day.

I have a theory that since she doesn’t eat meat, she’s not getting any L-Carnitine in her regular diet. And I think that makes fat metabolism harder for her body. I’ve ordered some AOD9604 (I know I know) and she’s going to take L-Carnitine with it fasted in the morning, then go on a run with her pup. She will do this for 2 months and report back. Five days on, two days off. She gets the weekends off lol. The theory is, alongside the Tirz, AOD is going to aid in kick starting lipolysis. The L-Carn will help shuttle the free fat to be metabolized for energy. Since she’s working out 2x a day (morning run or hike with pup and a studio class in evening), she’ll need that energy. If she was more sedimentary, she could have taken Lipo-c and avoided the painful IM injection of L-Carn but like I said, I think she actually needs it.

Has anyone else tried this stack and what was your experience? Happy to hear from you!
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I haven't tried that stack, but I appreciate the effort and reasoning you put into this

You can't go wrong with that thinking, good luck!
 
Welcome!

Even vegans should naturally produce enough L-carnitine (at least to prevent deficiency):

www.livestrong.com

Do Vegans Need Carnitine? | Livestrong.com

The best food sources of carnitine are animal products, including meats and dairies, but vegans who strictly avoid these products generally do not get carnitine deficiency.
www.livestrong.com www.livestrong.com
Generally your body makes sufficient carnitine to meet your daily needs, and your kidneys are quite efficient in conserving carnitine when the level falls. Even with a carnitine-deficient diet, a healthy person rarely has carnitine deficiency.
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But popular weight-loss supplements do have L-carnitine, so it may be of some benefit. It seems the jury is still out. But we all have our own preferences and favorite theories. I like B-12 injections even though they may not help much (or even at all since I was always in the normal range). The cost vs. benefit ratio is good enough for me since a vial of B-12 is only $1 from India.
 
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Calm Logic said:
Welcome!

Even vegans should naturally produce enough L-carnitine (at least to prevent deficiency):

www.livestrong.com

Do Vegans Need Carnitine? | Livestrong.com

The best food sources of carnitine are animal products, including meats and dairies, but vegans who strictly avoid these products generally do not get carnitine deficiency.
www.livestrong.com www.livestrong.com


But popular weight-loss supplements do have L-carnitine, so it may be of some benefit. It seems the jury is still out. But we all have our own preferences and favorite theories. I like B-12 injections even though they may not help much (or even at all since I was always in the normal range). The cost vs. benefit ratio is good enough for me since a vial of B-12 is only $1 from India.
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Valid point! This makes me feel better for sure, thanks for linking the article. Let's see if the stack has any delta in fat loss!
 
Welcome, I'll just bluntly say AOD and L-carn are both a waste of money. The effect you want only comes from increasing growth hormone. That can be done directly with hgh (illegal) or gh secretougues like tesamorelin/ipamorelin. But these are not something to dabble in without a lot of research into getting your own bloodwork and reading it.
 
Pinmebaby1moretime said:
Thank you fellow rs 🙂 Yes, I'll definitely let you all know how it goes- getting the stack from HK peptides.
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Welcome, and full disclosure.. I cannot read the 3rd party RS posts without thinking...
"it puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again.." LOL

Seriously, you will be glad you found this place
 
Skidude said:
Welcome, and full disclosure.. I cannot read the 3rd party RS posts without thinking...
"it puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again.." LOL

Seriously, you will be glad you found this place
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And no need to talk that way here. It's not required here. We're all injecting ourselves with Chinese mystery drugs here.
 
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All the more reason to take more 😀

"A non-linear dose-response association was seen between l-carnitine supplementation and body weight reduction (P < 0.001) suggesting that ingestion of 2000 mg l-carnitine per day provides the maximum effect in adults."
 
Calm Logic said:
All the more reason to take more 😀

"A non-linear dose-response association was seen between l-carnitine supplementation and body weight reduction (P < 0.001) suggesting that ingestion of 2000 mg l-carnitine per day provides the maximum effect in adults."
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`This association was not seen for BMI, WC and body fat percent.` ...All the actual important measurements... (well BMI is mostly pointless too)
 
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Of the peptides, do you think tesa or ipamorelin or some combination is best for burning fat?
 
Calm Logic said:
Of the peptides, do you think tesa or ipamorelin or some combination is best for burning fat?
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HGH is also a peptide (polypeptide to be very exact), but if you mean the secretagogues Tesa/Ipa are best used in combination. Tesa can be substituted for ModGRF (cjc NO dac). Tesa has more research though. But most people don't use them long enough to see benefits. Elevated IGF1 levels for at least 6 months for it to become apparent. But even with secretagogues you need to be doing regular blood tests to monitor levels.

Peloma said:
Let's hope. I have both now, and plan on making a cocktail after the Mots-c.
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What is your IGF1 and zscore baseline?
 
zpped said:
But most people don't use them long enough to see benefits. Elevated IGF1 levels for at least 6 months for it to become apparent.
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That does explain a lot, thanks. I have my money on clenbuterol, partly because I am cheap 🙂
 
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zpped said:
HGH is also a peptide (polypeptide to be very exact), but if you mean the secretagogues Tesa/Ipa are best used in combination. Tesa can be substituted for ModGRF (cjc NO dac). Tesa has more research though. But most people don't use them long enough to see benefits. Elevated IGF1 levels for at least 6 months for it to become apparent. But even with secretagogues you need to be doing regular blood tests to monitor levels.


What is your IGF1 and zscore baseline?
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Tesamorelin activates GHRH receptors in the pituitary gland of the brain, and I previously had a tumor there, it was removed but you can never be too careful. So that’s off the table for me. Actually many people have benign pituitary adenomas and don’t even know! Only relieved after an autopsy of someone dead at 92. Mine just caused other issues which is how I found out. So that’s why I’m trying another stack (AOD+L-Carn+Tirz).
 
Peloma said:
260's on Igf1... why do you ask?
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You said you're going to use some tesa/ipa right? If you're already at 260, assuming that's a zscore between 1.5-2 for you (i don't know your demographic though) You're unlikely to see a big difference with tesa/ipa. They don't tend to push people over 2 because the other mechanisms of the body start pushing back.
 
zpped said:
You said you're going to use some tesa/ipa right? If you're already at 260, assuming that's a zscore between 1.5-2 for you (i don't know your demographic though) You're unlikely to see a big difference with tesa/ipa. They don't tend to push people over 2 because the other mechanisms of the body start pushing back.
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Gotcha. We'll see. My main concern is reduction in visceral fat and slight muscle development (not a main focus).

I appreciate the info. Hopefully there is an impact. 6'2" 250 (and losing) Hispanic male... in case those demos help.
 
Peloma said:
Gotcha. We'll see. My main concern is reduction in visceral fat and slight muscle development (not a main focus).

I appreciate the info. Hopefully there is an impact. 6'2" 250 (and losing) Hispanic male... in case those demos help.
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Age and sex are the most important factors for the zscore, but taller people also tend to have higher numbers as well (even though it doesn't factor into the zscore)

The idea of tesa and visceral fat is tied back to it's study on AIDs patients who have abnormal amounts of visceral fat. Most logically it effects all fat equally. Pumping IGF1 up 100 points will have a modest effect, but since yours is already high it would be unusual for you personally to get even half that increase from secretagogues.
 
zpped said:
Age and sex are the most important factors for the zscore, but taller people also tend to have higher numbers as well (even though it doesn't factor into the zscore)

The idea of tesa and visceral fat is tied back to it's study on AIDs patients who have abnormal amounts of visceral fat. Most logically it effects all fat equally. Pumping IGF1 up 100 points will have a modest effect, but since yours is already high it would be unusual for you personally to get even half that increase from secretagogues.
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Late 40s... keep it coming. I like this info.
 
Pinmebaby1moretime said:
Tesamorelin activates GHRH receptors in the pituitary gland of the brain, and I previously had a tumor there, it was removed but you can never be too careful. So that’s off the table for me. Actually many people have benign pituitary adenomas and don’t even know! Only relieved after an autopsy of someone dead at 92. Mine just caused other issues which is how I found out. So that’s why I’m trying another stack (AOD+L-Carn+Tirz).
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Do you know why the research on AOD was abandoned? The receptors that were promising in the mice studies don't exist in humans and the inventor gave up when the human trials had no results. But because it's legal, safe, and cheap to make it has become a favorite of the influencers to make a quick buck.
But like I said, you're just going to be wasting your money.
 
Peloma said:
Let's hope. I have both now, and plan on making a cocktail after the Mots-c.
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Have you had a chance to try the tesa/ipa combo? I took it for several weeks but I kept getting red and itchy lump where I injected. It would last a few days. Did you have similar reactions?
 
Modernomeds said:
Have you had a chance to try the tesa/ipa combo? I took it for several weeks but I kept getting red and itchy lump where I injected. It would last a few days. Did you have similar reactions?
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I've been taking it for the past 3 days am and pm. No isrs, but my sleep sucks.
 
zpped said:
Do you know why the research on AOD was abandoned? The receptors that were promising in the mice studies don't exist in humans and the inventor gave up when the human trials had no results. But because it's legal, safe, and cheap to make it has become a favorite of the influencers to make a quick buck.
But like I said, you're just going to be wasting your money.
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You got promoted! ❤️ Or were you always a closet mod?
 
zpped said:
I don't know how many people received invitations, but there were a couple other OGs added at the same time as Bee but they were smart enough to stay away 😉
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I have been impressed with the choices, Bee did a great job holding down the fort and has earned a vacation. You seem to be a great addition to the team, i have enjoyed your posts both from content and attitude. Thanks for helping
 
chmuse said:
Ooh, so there ARE closet mods. 🤭
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I heard @exploitedworkerbee was going to tour the Nexaph factory in Shanghai, Wyoming before joining Tracy for some pink day relaxation. Real reason going to the Caribbean is getting @keangkong 's money back. In case you missed it he's out some Reta. I'm also out some crypto but it might be in the bit left in QSC's wallet or I'm paying for their Pina Coladas. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
nonyabizznez said:
I heard @exploitedworkerbee was going to tour the Nexaph factory in Shanghai, Wyoming before joining Tracy for some pink day relaxation. Real reason going to the Caribbean is getting @keangkong 's money back. In case you missed it he's out some Reta. I'm also out some crypto but it might be in the bit left in QSC's wallet or I'm paying for their Pina Coladas. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Allegedly...

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Skidude said:
Allegedly...

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Yikes! If he brought @keangkong along I'm scared! Sand will be pounded! Dog shit will be thrown and a gorilla (sadly) will be left scratching.

Great collage on the fly!... Kept it classy editing the chocolate titties! Scrapbooking while injecting drugs is def working for you! 🤗
 
Pinmebaby1moretime said:
So lucky to have found you all! I’ve been silently reading everything for the past two weeks- finally made an account to join the fun. My RS is on a weight loss journey after a pregnancy loss. She lost 5 lbs through diet and exercise over 2 months and another 6 just in the past 3 weeks that she’s been on Tirz 2.5mg/wk. only 25lbs to go lol

She loves working out (cycle classes, HIIT circuits, lifting, hikes with her dog, swimming). She’s a vegetarian so it’s hard getting her daily protein in but she is really trying now to hit at least 100g every day.
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Honestly, with only 25 pounds left to lose, I believe Tirzepatide and whey protein will see you through. And they will make for a simpler maintenance, too.
I’m so sorry for the loss you’ve experienced, and I’m excited to hear about all the healing and wellness in your future. 😊
 
Pinmebaby1moretime said:
So lucky to have found you all! I’ve been silently reading everything for the past two weeks- finally made an account to join the fun. My RS is on a weight loss journey after a pregnancy loss. She lost 5 lbs through diet and exercise over 2 months and another 6 just in the past 3 weeks that she’s been on Tirz 2.5mg/wk. only 25lbs to go lol

She loves working out (cycle classes, HIIT circuits, lifting, hikes with her dog, swimming). She’s a vegetarian so it’s hard getting her daily protein in but she is really trying now to hit at least 100g every day.

I have a theory that since she doesn’t eat meat, she’s not getting any L-Carnitine in her regular diet. And I think that makes fat metabolism harder for her body. I’ve ordered some AOD9604 (I know I know) and she’s going to take L-Carnitine with it fasted in the morning, then go on a run with her pup. She will do this for 2 months and report back. Five days on, two days off. She gets the weekends off lol. The theory is, alongside the Tirz, AOD is going to aid in kick starting lipolysis. The L-Carn will help shuttle the free fat to be metabolized for energy. Since she’s working out 2x a day (morning run or hike with pup and a studio class in evening), she’ll need that energy. If she was more sedimentary, she could have taken Lipo-c and avoided the painful IM injection of L-Carn but like I said, I think she actually needs it.

Has anyone else tried this stack and what was your experience? Happy to hear from you!
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I'm on AOD, and take Lipo-C (with lidocaine already added). No burn! However, I can take Lipo-C and go take a nap for two hours, so it definately doesn't do anything for energy. As for how the stack is going, so far I am still in a two month stall and this hasn't helped break it. ( I'll probably drop the AOD.
 
pavlovs said:
I'm on AOD, and take Lipo-C (with lidocaine already added). No burn! However, I can take Lipo-C and go take a nap for two hours, so it definately doesn't do anything for energy. As for how the stack is going, so far I am still in a two month stall and this hasn't helped break it. ( I'll probably drop the AOD.
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I’m just about to post this on the public square forum but oh my goodness- l-carn is the worst pain I’ve ever felt. My whole thigh stings the rest of the day. 1inch needle, following all the steps to make sure I’m injecting in the correct location. Does the lidocaine help that much? I’m trying my 🍑 tomorrow but if it hurts to sit I’m throwing this out 😭

Also I will say, anecdotally, many women swear by AOD when paired with a shuttler peptide like l-carn. And also a GLP like Tirz or Reta. I’ll report back my results from this week- first week doing the duo+ Reta! I know there are so many people here that have different experiences but I want to at least try it myself.
 
Pinmebaby1moretime said:
I’m just about to post this on the public square forum but oh my goodness- l-carn is the worst pain I’ve ever felt. My whole thigh stings the rest of the day. 1inch needle, following all the steps to make sure I’m injecting in the correct location. Does the lidocaine help that much? I’m trying my 🍑 tomorrow but if it hurts to sit I’m throwing this out 😭

Also I will say, anecdotally, many women swear by AOD when paired with a shuttler peptide like l-carn. And also a GLP like Tirz or Reta. I’ll report back my results from this week- first week doing the duo+ Reta! I know there are so many people here that have different experiences but I want to at least try it myself.
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Well, I am a woman. On Lipo-C with L-Carnatine and Tirz. Anecdotally, I can tell you that AOD has done fuck-all for me 😉

The lidocaine does help that much🙂 For the fiery peps, I'll subtract .50ml BAC and add .50ml Lidocaine.
 
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