I need help optimizing my workout routine.

nono im not trying to increase the weight per week, thats just me being able to lift more weight ig from beginner gains. I follow your 3 components too, my goal is to just cut fat idm losing some muscle in the process, i started going to the gym so i could pack on muscle so when i did lose fat i didnt look weird and awkwardly built do to muscular imbalance, im not training for any strong man stuff or being huge it was only to build enough muscle to the point where if i did cut and lose muscle i wouldnt look bad. uh 73kg bicep curl i do 12 reps of it all controlled no momentum. Ive been through this before even with people inside my gym, they think im ego lifting when im telling them my weights and then i show them and they agree its a good working weight. I know my weights sound like im just ego lifting and tryna stack up as much weight as possible, if that was the case i could do like 10kg+ more than what im already doing and rep it out with horrible form for only 3-5 reps but i dropped the weights to a manageable level where i dont need to brace and shake just to control the weight, i went into the gym with the mindset that Im still new and that I wont be the strongest guy there so I always started with super low weights and progressed depending if it felt easy/hard.

Ive tried a couple variations and so far this ppl x arnold is the best for me. All the other ones were so boring ( to me anyways ) and quite repetitive and i just got bored of going to the gym. So i chose between just being lazy and quitting or switching it up and so i decided to do ppl x arnold ( also known as batman ). It still has everything needed but it has that switch up mid way through the week which i enjoy alot. I know ppl are saying its not optimal or whatever but I think that whatever allows me to enjoy my training should be my top priority ykwim?

For the wrist, ive got a doctors appointment soon.
optimal is the workout that you enjoy and will do, dont listen to anybody that says "this is the only way to do it" there are many. Figure out the one you like and stay consistant.
 
optimal is the workout that you enjoy and will do, dont listen to anybody that says "this is the only way to do it" there are many. Figure out the one you like and stay consistant.
yeahhh i agree whatever allows me to enjoy my training will be best but ofc i gotta follow the basic rules
 
Im planning on buying bpc-157 could you tell me more about it please? @Smiter Could you explain it too i saw you mention klow and glow and wolverine stack ive heard of them but like idk enough abt them. Im gonna look into them more n purchase it later on down the line
Yeah, sorry about that. I thought your wrist problems were due to an injury. But based on your subsequent posts, I see that the issue is uneven, undue growth in strength leading to imbalance. Your hope to increase your height makes me think you're a teenager. If so, there is an age criteria for when all eight bones of the wrist becomes develoed. Also, I saw one major error somewhere in your workout descrition. Hold on, let me find it.
though is stretching my wrists and doing wrist curls before attempting chest + shoulder excercises.
Never do forearm training BEFORE a major body part training. Do it after. Forearms like calves respond best to high intensity, high volume training. It's rare that way. You can strengthen your wrist with grippers, sledgehammer raises, plate pinch lifts, Sidewinder revolution 2.0
 
Im planning on buying bpc-157 could you tell me more about it please? @Smiter Could you explain it too i saw you mention klow and glow and wolverine stack ive heard of them but like idk enough abt them. Im gonna look into them more n purchase it later on down the line
BPC is dead simple. I don't claim to know exactly how it works, something about getting blood into places that don't get enough blood, but the effects are palpable. I started at 250mcg 3 times a day and went to 500mcg twice a day. Within a few days I noticed that I have no muscle soreness, aches and pains, when waking up, during stretching or workouts. Way easier to get started working out. Back pain reduced significantly. Some benefits to sexual health as well.

People usually recommend using 1mg per day split into two doses for 1, or 2 months before cycling off.

I have some TB4 on the way – TB4 is harder to find, more expensive, and is kind of like the "full version" of TB500. It technically has a shorter half life, but that's not really a concern for peptides. People usually recommend 3-5mg per week, and say that it enhances the effects of BPC particularly in the muscles.

More people describe having side effects from TB than from BPC – sides from BPC are rare.

I'm super excited to add it now that I've been on BPC for a week. I'm only 27, I can't imagine how useful it might be for someone older or with real injuries.
 
Im planning on buying bpc-157 could you tell me more about it please? @Smiter Could you explain it too i saw you mention klow and glow and wolverine stack ive heard of them but like idk enough abt them. Im gonna look into them more n purchase it later on down the line

BPC probably wont help you because your wrist probably isnt injured, its just not conditioned properly to use a barbell

wrist pain can be normal on certain exercises as you start working out lifting heavy and bpc isnt going to help, bpc repairs ligament injuries, what people commonly experience with their wrists is instability because they just arent conditioned properly yet. you can condition them by doing routines that are less stress on them, for example, swapping from normal bicep curl to hammer curl, or from bench press to barbell press

1. Drop the smith incline press. swap to barbell incline press. the barbell restricts the natural motion of your wrist, dumbells do not. do dumbell only bench press for about a month, you will be better at barbell with less pain when you return to it.

2. Focus each day on a like muscle group and rotate. For example 3days/week routine: Upper Body Pushing Muscles (chest, tricep, shoulders), Upper Body Pulling Muscles (back, lats, biceps), Lower Body. if you work out 5 days a week, make days 4 and 5 Upper Body Mixed, and Lower Body Hypertrophy

Im going to DM you for other stuff, idk what your goals are, you havent said if you are trying to lose weight, build muscle, get toned, etc and i'd like to help you
 
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dude asks for help optimizing his workout routine and everyones telling him to stack more peptides wtf everyone






Tell me your goals.

Are you trying to lose weight? Gain strength? Build mass? Cosmetic enhancement? what are you trying to do here
Peptides are the workout.

/S
 
Yeah, sorry about that. I thought your wrist problems were due to an injury. But based on your subsequent posts, I see that the issue is uneven, undue growth in strength leading to imbalance. Your hope to increase your height makes me think you're a teenager. If so, there is an age criteria for when all eight bones of the wrist becomes develoed. Also, I saw one major error somewhere in your workout descrition. Hold on, let me find it.

Never do forearm training BEFORE a major body part training. Do it after. Forearms like calves respond best to high intensity, high volume training. It's rare that way. You can strengthen your wrist with grippers, sledgehammer raises, plate pinch lifts, Sidewinder revolution 2.0
Im going to look into all of these exercises you stated thanks alot.
Also i didnt know about the wrist bone stuff so Im also going to look into that. Lol i am a teenager ( Im 18 ). Im 6'3 but im kinda greedy on height lol I just think 6'4 / 6'5 would be a nice height to chill at. Im sure I can reach it naturally so Im not too fussed about it ( just a nice hope lol ).
BPC is dead simple. I don't claim to know exactly how it works, something about getting blood into places that don't get enough blood, but the effects are palpable. I started at 250mcg 3 times a day and went to 500mcg twice a day. Within a few days I noticed that I have no muscle soreness, aches and pains, when waking up, during stretching or workouts. Way easier to get started working out. Back pain reduced significantly. Some benefits to sexual health as well.

People usually recommend using 1mg per day split into two doses for 1, or 2 months before cycling off.

I have some TB4 on the way – TB4 is harder to find, more expensive, and is kind of like the "full version" of TB500. It technically has a shorter half life, but that's not really a concern for peptides. People usually recommend 3-5mg per week, and say that it enhances the effects of BPC particularly in the muscles.

More people describe having side effects from TB than from BPC – sides from BPC are rare.

I'm super excited to add it now that I've been on BPC for a week. I'm only 27, I can't imagine how useful it might be for someone older or with real injuries.
Yeahh Im sure it will be useful for older people, my dad has loads of joint pain and stuff I wanted to buy bpc for him to help with those issues, however I dont think BPC will properly fix my issue. I think bpc will act more as a bandage on a wound rather than the wound actually healing ykwim? I think its just my wrist strength lacking behind the strength of all my other muscles. Mainly bc i kinda sorta used to skip forearm training. Whoops..
 
Oh yeah, I forgot this...DO NOT DO ANY PRESS MOVEMENT WITHOUT DOING THE JM PRESS FIRST. Master that shit. 10000 reps.
BRO I LOVE JM PRESS ITS SO GOOD. Bro everyone I go to the gym with hates JM Press but im like wtf? its literally amazing. Ive never killed my triceps like that before and I just love the ache bc its just lets me know Im working well. And my form for it I watch it like a hawk. Bc of my form ( not tryna toot my own horn ) my friends, who are showing other ppl how to do exercises, call me over to help with form bc they know Im very strict when it comes to form.

Thats why I was kinda hurt. when people thought I was ego lifting 😔
 
Also i didnt know about the wrist bone stuff so Im also going to look into that. Lol i am a teenager ( Im 18 ). Im 6'3
Dont remind me man. I reached 6"3 when I was 13 and this mofo doctor gave me cortisone tabs for a fever, and my vertical growth stopped. Only feet kept growing. I wear size 16 shoes. That mofo took away at least 6 inches off my height.
bpc will act more as a bandage on a wound rather than the wound actually healing ykwim
Wrong... Collagen and BpC= unlock Wolverine.
just my wrist strength lacking behind the strength of all my other muscles. Mainly bc i kinda sorta used to skip forearm training
BpC boosts recovery too allowing you to train quicker especially since you need to train forearms 4 days a week at least.
BRO I LOVE JM PRESS ITS SO GOOD. Bro everyone I go to the gym with hates JM Press but im like wtf? its literally amazing. Ive never killed my triceps like that before and I just love the ache bc its just lets me know Im working well.
Congrats, you have Unlocked master-lifter. JM doesn't just work the triceps, it thickens your elbow tendons, bulletproofing them against future tendonitis.
when people thought I was ego lifting
Fvck that shit man. We're men. Ego is all about us. Men are nothing without egos and without the stones to back it up. Ego lifting, Dick lifting, Nut-raising, do it all. Caveman see, caveman conquers, caveman relishes the lamentation of women. Bad to the Bone.
 
Dont remind me man. I reached 6"3 when I was 13 and this mofo doctor gave me cortisone tabs for a fever, and my vertical growth stopped. Only feet kept growing. I wear size 16 shoes. That mofo took away at least 6 inches off my height.

Wrong... Collagen and BpC= unlock Wolverine.

BpC boosts recovery too allowing you to train quicker especially since you need to train forearms 4 days a week at least.

Congrats, you have Unlocked master-lifter. JM doesn't just work the triceps, it thickens your elbow tendons, bulletproofing them against future tendonitis.

Fvck that shit man. We're men. Ego is all about us. Men are nothing without egos and without the stones to back it up. Ego lifting, Dick lifting, Nut-raising, do it all. Caveman see, caveman conquers, caveman relishes the lamentation of women. Bad to the Bone.
yoooo u gotta fight that doctor. There are cases of growth plates re opening ( such as mrwollas on tiktok check him out i recommended him to others ).

Hmm ima look into more peps ngl bpc 100% gonna be on the list so is ghk cu.

Yeah i realised with jm press + tricep pushdown I have a slight twang in my elbows.

Yeah I can ego lift if I want like I could full stack all the machines I use but whats the point if its just gonna hurt after a while. 73kg bicep curl isnt even the weight I should be doing I can do 86kg I just brace alot which hurts my sides so I dont do it lol. But yeah that last sentence from you funniest thing I seen today LOL.
 
yoooo u gotta fight that doctor. There are cases of growth plates re opening ( such as mrwollas on tiktok check him out i recommended him to others ).

Hmm ima look into more peps ngl bpc 100% gonna be on the list so is ghk cu.

Yeah i realised with jm press + tricep pushdown I have a slight twang in my elbows.

Yeah I can ego lift if I want like I could full stack all the machines I use but whats the point if its just gonna hurt after a while. 73kg bicep curl isnt even the weight I should be doing I can do 86kg I just brace alot which hurts my sides so I dont do it lol. But yeah that last sentence from you funniest thing I seen today LOL.
Well, you're a newbie so this is the time you can build tendons the easiest. Hyperplasia of the tendons. Also, I am not keen on the 12-15 reps. Strength training is what you should be doing except for the smaller muscles like forearm and calves.
 
Well, you're a newbie so this is the time you can build tendons the easiest. Hyperplasia of the tendons. Also, I am not keen on the 12-15 reps. Strength training is what you should be doing except for the smaller muscles like forearm and calves.
Yeah ik i dont wanna be endurance eagle fr its just that I cant do the proper weights for exercises that require my wrist to be a weight bearer and that means I cant stay in the 8-12 rep range. So i just gotta either force more wrist pain or just do a couple extra reps with lower weights. Hyperplasia of the tendons ima search that up ty youve actually been such a good help for me here so i just want to thank you.
 
Yeah ik i dont wanna be endurance eagle fr its just that I cant do the proper weights for exercises that require my wrist to be a weight bearer and that means I cant stay in the 8-12 rep range. So i just gotta either force more wrist pain or just do a couple extra reps with lower weights. Hyperplasia of the tendons ima search that up ty youve actually been such a good help for me here so i just want to thank you.
You're welcome. When I had my wrist injury, I used wrist wraps to hold the wrist as immobile as possible while also training normally. Then used wrist cuffs
 
You're welcome. When I had my wrist injury, I used wrist wraps to hold the wrist as immobile as possible while also training normally. Then used wrist cuffs
Ive got wrist wraps but theyre kinda idk lol just seem fancy with no actual use. I bought them from amazon but idk how effective they actually are lemme link them rq

So i cant link them so ima just attach an image of them

Ive also got hooks for lat pull down/wide grip row that have a wrist strap feature but idk if its specifically designed to stabilize the wrist or just so the hooks can be attached to my arm
 

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Ive got wrist wraps but theyre kinda idk lol just seem fancy with no actual use. I bought them from amazon but idk how effective they actually are lemme link them rq

So i cant link them so ima just attach an image of them
na that wont work, you need one where the fist or palm is held by the wrap.
 
if you were to search my post history, you will find tendon training regimen. 30 grams of collagen, hyaluronic acid, vitamin C along with specific time under tension training.
urm so filtering through almost 900 posts is gonna murder me but ill try.
na that wont work, you need one where the fist or palm is held by the wrap.
Could you link the best ones ( i woulda prefer just wrist straps for now not cuffs or anything.
 
urm so filtering through almost 900 posts is gonna murder me but ill try.
use search function
Could you link the best ones ( i woulda prefer just wrist straps for now not cuffs or anything.
 
use search function

Thank you Ima buy one after looking into it more.
Also idk where the search function is lol
 
@Wacky are you doing back twice in 48hrs, Tues Thurs? I'd give it more of a rest if it was me. I find my strength, recovery, growth is better if I leave at least 4 days before repeating the same area. I'm currently have to do mine in a 3 rota, instead of 5, as I've blown my back out, and I'm noticing it, I'm having to skip leg day and run day. Next week I'll be back to leg day and run day and a 5days cycle, and I know for a fact it'll have a massive effect on my other days, always does.
 
@Wacky are you doing back twice in 48hrs, Tues Thurs? I'd give it more of a rest if it was me. I find my strength, recovery, growth is better if I leave at least 4 days before repeating the same area. I'm currently have to do mine in a 3 rota, instead of 5, as I've blown my back out, and I'm noticing it, I'm having to skip leg day and run day. Next week I'll be back to leg day and run day and a 5days cycle, and I know for a fact it'll have a massive effect on my other days, always does.
I mean I dont feel any fatigue after working out like I feel sore and stuff a tiny bit after i leave and go home and for a couple hours after but then when I wake up im all good. So I dont think Ill be fatigued by thursday since I can still pull the same weights and stuff without sacrificing form and what not.
 
I mean I dont feel any fatigue after working out like I feel sore and stuff a tiny bit after i leave and go home and for a couple hours after but then when I wake up im all good. So I dont think Ill be fatigued by thursday since I can still pull the same weights and stuff without sacrificing form and what not.
Yeah, always listen to your body.
 
What I would suggest is to keep the routine but do a progressive overload with fewer reps for each succeeding set. That way you can build strength and challenge yourself safely without too much shock to your body/muscles
 
lol ikr!


I started working out about 3 years ago, and also within a few months, my wrists would be limiting me, so what I did was, I'd lower the weight and perform the reps slightly slower and with better form and control. And that seems to have fixed the issue. And the same thing also happened to my left shoulder or left clavicle, especially when benching. It's because I was just ego lifting. But when you put your ego aside and lower the weight and considerably improve the form and raise the reps to about 10 to 15, keep it in that range, and go to failure, then nothing no joints hurt. And I've been doing this for a while now. I am seeing insane hypertrophy. So it's good that your strength has increased significantly, but maybe don't focus on putting up a lot of weight and focus more on the form and the quality of each individual repetition. Because when I did that, all my joint pain over time completely disappeared. And I go and lift daily for two hours (ppl split) and have zero joint pain. so my question to you is whats your rep range looking like? are you ego lifting?
Totally agree with this. I would let the wrist heal. I used to have repetitive wrist injury. Wearing wrist supports and gloves help. In my experience my wrists were weak and I would get ganglion cysts form when I worked out. It wasn’t body’s way of
Protecting my wrists.
I’m 50 yoa and I can lift a lot but for strength training I lift slow and controlled and focus on my form. U can fatigue out without putting stress on your joints.
I would focus on other exercises and body parts, such as core and legs, for a while til your wrist feels better. And definitely start BPC-157, near the bad wrist, if you haven’t already
 

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