I took a chance with LSPL

So should I not order from them? Every single time I think I've made a decision on who to go with, I find a post about something shady going down about them on here. 😢😬
Pretty much every vendor has had a scandal at some point. Try to choose one people have been talking about positively recently.

LSPL is newer, so we know less about her. But she was banned for offering free bacteriostatic water for reviews. Make your own decisions with that knowledge. 🙂 The forum doesn't allow gifts for reviews, so she was banned.
 
So should I not order from them? Every single time I think I've made a decision on who to go with, I find a post about something shady going down about them on here. 😢😬
I don’t know of them ripping anyone off or anything nefarious. Like the last response from chmuse, you can find positive reviews from people if you read on. No vendor has a perfect track record.

I feel like Nexaph and bfflist are both good options for people who are hesitant. They are a little more expensive than others but they have websites. Nexaph, you can pay with a credit card. My current go to has been SRY-Lisa. They have had stellar deals. All three vendors I mentioned have domestic warehouses.

Do your research though. People on here don’t like to give recommendations for vendors because a lot can go wrong.
 
I don’t know of them ripping anyone off or anything nefarious. Like the last response from chmuse, you can find positive reviews from people if you read on. No vendor has a perfect track record.

I feel like Nexaph and bfflist are both good options for people who are hesitant. They are a little more expensive than others but they have websites. Nexaph, you can pay with a credit card. My current go to has been SRY-Lisa. They have had stellar deals. All three vendors I mentioned have domestic warehouses.

Do your research though. People on here don’t like to give recommendations for vendors because a lot can go wrong.
Thank you for taking the time to reply and explain! As a newbie, I really appreciate it!
 
I don’t know of them ripping anyone off or anything nefarious. Like the last response from chmuse, you can find positive reviews from people if you read on. No vendor has a perfect track record.

I feel like Nexaph and bfflist are both good options for people who are hesitant. They are a little more expensive than others but they have websites. Nexaph, you can pay with a credit card. My current go to has been SRY-Lisa. They have had stellar deals. All three vendors I mentioned have domestic warehouses.

Do your research though. People on here don’t like to give recommendations for vendors because a lot can go wrong.
I'm with argument that every 3 and 4 letter chinese company all get their stuff from the same source. They pick a stopper and cap color and place a large order.... its all the same. The note on top the kit always the same font and same text with same abbreviations. Only thing that changes is cap colors.
 
I'm with argument that every 3 and 4 letter chinese company all get their stuff from the same source. They pick a stopper and cap color and place a large order.... its all the same. The note on topi a the kit always the same font and same text with same abbreviations. Only thing that changes is cap colors.
i agree. is a lot of the testing that goes on redundant and unnecessary.
 
I'm with argument that every 3 and 4 letter chinese company all get their stuff from the same source. They pick a stopper and cap color and place a large order.... its all the same. The note on top the kit always the same font and same text with same abbreviations. Only thing that changes is cap colors.
These change a bit, and private investigator Krysia has a database* of them from various vendors across time on her new Discord.

*The database is really more of an unwieldy, disorganized, continuous thread of photographs and explanations, with a certain amount of tying them together. But it's a good start towards also matching them up to more or less identical independent CoAs.
 
Someone had posted an article recently.. Novo states Ozempic/Wegovy comes in around 97% purity. I have been using it for 3 years and I am still here.
There is one critical difference.

Every impurity that develops in pharma peptides has to be specifically characterized and assessed for risk. Impurities that are high risk to health must be eliminated. All of this is heavily documented and reviewed by the FDA.

The types of impurities that could be present are specific to the pharma formulation, manufacturing method, packaging, and storage. If anything changes, the impurities have to be recharachterized and get FDA approval.

None of this occurs with underground lab produced peptides.
 
There is one critical difference.

Every impurity that develops in pharma peptides has to be specifically characterized and assessed for risk. Impurities that are high risk to health must be eliminated. All of this is heavily documented and reviewed by the FDA.

The types of impurities that could be present are specific to the pharma formulation, manufacturing method, packaging, and storage. If anything changes, the impurities have to be recharachterized and get FDA approval.

None of this occurs with underground lab produced peptides.
I agree with you in part but only part. Janoshik says that using purity of a peptide is a worthless metric for measuring either the safety of what in a vial or how effective it will be. What's important is the net peptide ingested. A purity calculation simply reflects the target peptide mass divided by the total peptide mass, multiplied by 100. Janoshik says that the purity percentage provides clues as to the age of the peptide, the quality of its manufacture, and how much it has degraded.
I highly recommend Lab FAQ Guide With Janoshik Analytical. However, you have to be a member of Peppy's to have access to it. Then you're prohibited from publishing it elsewhere, as I'd like to do now.

If you're not a member of Peppy's and wish to join, contact FamousGoodKitty.

Interestingly, Janoshik believes sterility is usually not an issue with lypholized products. I highly recommend reading the guide that I mentioned from Peppy's. I've resisted quoting from it. However, since I'm not a scientist, my paraphrasing may be off.
 
Last edited:
Update. I ordered from LSPL 3/10 and received 3/26. Tirz 40 kit, Ipa 10 kit, MT1 kit. Arrived looking good and labeled so we knew what was what! Hubby started ipa, haven’t tried the others. He did say the metal piece tore when he took off a cap, that had never happened before in any other orders we’ve ever had. Not sure if that matters. Will update when I try tirz.
 
Update. I ordered from LSPL 3/10 and received 3/26. Tirz 40 kit, Ipa 10 kit, MT1 kit. Arrived looking good and labeled so we knew what was what! Hubby started ipa, haven’t tried the others. He did say the metal piece tore when he took off a cap, that had never happened before in any other orders we’ve ever had. Not sure if that matters. Will update when I try tirz.
The metal tears for me sometimes, has happened on several.. I am a bull in a china shop.. maybe your husband is too 🙂
 
Update. I’ve been using tirz from LSPL for two weeks. Just took my 3rd dose. Definitely not as strong as QSC. I am consistently 2 lbs heavier now and I’ve been maintaining exact same weight for months until now. I want snacks all week long. Good thing I only paid $165 for 40mgx10 kit, not sure if underdosed or what. May increase dose to see.

Ordering from SRY now because this is a huge change and different feeling than I’m used to. Anyone else have same or different experiences?
 
Update. I’ve been using tirz from LSPL for two weeks. Just took my 3rd dose. Definitely not as strong as QSC. I am consistently 2 lbs heavier now and I’ve been maintaining exact same weight for months until now. I want snacks all week long. Good thing I only paid $165 for 40mgx10 kit, not sure if underdosed or what. May increase dose to see.

Ordering from SRY now because this is a huge change and different feeling than I’m used to. Anyone else have same or different experiences?
Six orders with SRY so far. No regrets with their products
 
It seems they are willing to reship the R30, I want to give them a chance to make it right.. it is a big price difference indeed
I've received the reta after all. Shipping was a little slow for me, but I got Tirz 30 and and Reta 30 for the price of Reta 30 haha. I'm a happy camper, but will opt for a different vendor next time
 
3 weeks on Tirz from LSPL and I’m up 4 lbs. I’ve maintained my weight since Aug and I may go up 2 lbs but then back down 2 lbs every week. I don’t feel like this is good or is underdosed tirz. I just took a dose of my QSC stash until I can get a response from SRY. I’ve emailed SRY 3x to order and have only gotten vague responses with no instruction to pay.
 
3 weeks on Tirz from LSPL and I’m up 4 lbs. I’ve maintained my weight since Aug and I may go up 2 lbs but then back down 2 lbs every week. I don’t feel like this is good or is underdosed tirz. I just took a dose of my QSC stash until I can get a response from SRY. I’ve emailed SRY 3x to order and have only gotten vague responses with no instruction to pay.

What color caps? Regular 'light' orange or dark orange?

Mfg date?
 
ok thanks for the heads up. I'll reach out again
Yes, problem with Ava!!! Large order placed with a friend, on May 3rd.. I expected the order to be processed on May 5, after they had been off for their Chinese holiday. As of today, May 10, it still has not processed to get a tracking number. Plus, Ava commented that she had to take time off. What? She just had 5 days off. She has poor communication and is slow to answer. Here is the complaint: I made a complaint in the complaints section of the sellers platform. About, items not being shipped properly or in a timely manner. Also brought up that her other customers are receiving the wrong items, after paying duties to customs. I put in my complaint that the seller was sending me screenshots of other customers transactions, with their private information readable, asking me if it were my order. That is breaching privacy policies by showing me private information of her customers. Her response to my complaint was to make a joke out of it in a group chat, mocking me saying that she's gotta get on her cap and hat and start doing all the deliveries personally, continuing to mock me. I told the seller how very unprofessional of her to make a joke out of my concerns, and to publicly mock me. I ordered and payed for my items on t 5-3-25. The seller said items will be shipped out on the 6th, and my items have yet to leave their warehouse. So I want a refund. There is another 200 dollar transaction that I made immediately after this one that I will also be seeking a refund for. Making it a total of 940+/- it was an added purchase after 1st transaction of 740. I do not want to do business with this company that is so disorganized and extremely rude when you bring your concerns to their attention. I cannot afford to spend almost 1000 dollars on products and chance receiving someone else's order. I do have the saved messages about her telling me when shipping would take place. I then message 3 days later on the 6th inquiring about tracking and was told the shipping department doesn't have all my items. I asked why didn't she tell me something I ordered was out of stock? She informed me it is in stock in their warehouse but they have to take it to shipper. My items will be sent out next week sometime. I cannot wait another week for my items. I have waited long enough and endured her making a mockery of me on a public forum. I just want my money back and to move on.
 
Yes, problem with Ava!!! Large order placed with a friend, on May 3rd.. I expected the order to be processed on May 5, after they had been off for their Chinese holiday. As of today, May 10, it still has not processed to get a tracking number. Plus, Ava commented that she had to take time off. What? She just had 5 days off. She has poor communication and is slow to answer. Here is the complaint: I made a complaint in the complaints section of the sellers platform. About, items not being shipped properly or in a timely manner. Also brought up that her other customers are receiving the wrong items, after paying duties to customs. I put in my complaint that the seller was sending me screenshots of other customers transactions, with their private information readable, asking me if it were my order. That is breaching privacy policies by showing me private information of her customers. Her response to my complaint was to make a joke out of it in a group chat, mocking me saying that she's gotta get on her cap and hat and start doing all the deliveries personally, continuing to mock me. I told the seller how very unprofessional of her to make a joke out of my concerns, and to publicly mock me. I ordered and payed for my items on t 5-3-25. The seller said items will be shipped out on the 6th, and my items have yet to leave their warehouse. So I want a refund. There is another 200 dollar transaction that I made immediately after this one that I will also be seeking a refund for. Making it a total of 940+/- it was an added purchase after 1st transaction of 740. I do not want to do business with this company that is so disorganized and extremely rude when you bring your concerns to their attention. I cannot afford to spend almost 1000 dollars on products and chance receiving someone else's order. I do have the saved messages about her telling me when shipping would take place. I then message 3 days later on the 6th inquiring about tracking and was told the shipping department doesn't have all my items. I asked why didn't she tell me something I ordered was out of stock? She informed me it is in stock in their warehouse but they have to take it to shipper. My items will be sent out next week sometime. I cannot wait another week for my items. I have waited long enough and endured her making a mockery of me on a public forum. I just want my money back and to move on.
Your expectations are just not how the grey market works. It's not Amazon Prime, and it's not CVS.

Only start complaining when it's been a month from your order date and you still haven't received your goods. Or expect to be mocked by the vendors.
 
Yes, problem with Ava!!! Large order placed with a friend, on May 3rd.. I expected the order to be processed on May 5, after they had been off for their Chinese holiday. As of today, May 10, it still has not processed to get a tracking number. Plus, Ava commented that she had to take time off. What? She just had 5 days off. She has poor communication and is slow to answer. Here is the complaint: I made a complaint in the complaints section of the sellers platform. About, items not being shipped properly or in a timely manner. Also brought up that her other customers are receiving the wrong items, after paying duties to customs. I put in my complaint that the seller was sending me screenshots of other customers transactions, with their private information readable, asking me if it were my order. That is breaching privacy policies by showing me private information of her customers. Her response to my complaint was to make a joke out of it in a group chat, mocking me saying that she's gotta get on her cap and hat and start doing all the deliveries personally, continuing to mock me. I told the seller how very unprofessional of her to make a joke out of my concerns, and to publicly mock me. I ordered and payed for my items on t 5-3-25. The seller said items will be shipped out on the 6th, and my items have yet to leave their warehouse. So I want a refund. There is another 200 dollar transaction that I made immediately after this one that I will also be seeking a refund for. Making it a total of 940+/- it was an added purchase after 1st transaction of 740. I do not want to do business with this company that is so disorganized and extremely rude when you bring your concerns to their attention. I cannot afford to spend almost 1000 dollars on products and chance receiving someone else's order. I do have the saved messages about her telling me when shipping would take place. I then message 3 days later on the 6th inquiring about tracking and was told the shipping department doesn't have all my items. I asked why didn't she tell me something I ordered was out of stock? She informed me it is in stock in their warehouse but they have to take it to shipper. My items will be sent out next week sometime. I cannot wait another week for my items. I have waited long enough and endured her making a mockery of me on a public forum. I just want my money back and to move on.

It has only been a week. And half of that was a chinese holiday. Your expectations are way too high.

When I started buying peps a couple of years ago everyone was always told four to six weeks from order to door. And that is assuming no customs holds. That is assuming a week to two week processing times.

You do realize this is a gray legal area and they don't just ship out haphazardly they have to use certain shipping lines and times to try to avoid seizures. Even that is not perfect. It is not Amazon where someone just plucks something off a shelf puts it in a package and drops it in the mail.

They do not process your order immediately. They are always getting a ton of orders in. And a $1000 is nothing in their world. Maybe $50k is a large order for them. You will get your stuff. So be patient. Don't ever spend more money with than you can afford to lose either.

I fear with insurance denying zepbound and tiktokers and Facebookers are going to ruin this process from karening out.
 
Last edited:
It has only been a week. And half of that was a chinese holiday. Your expectations are way too high.

When I started buying peps a couple of years ago everyone was always told four to six weeks from order to door. And that is assuming no customs holds.

They do not process your order immediately. They are always getting a ton of orders in. And a $1000 is nothing in their world. Maybe $50k is a large order for them. You will get your stuff. So be patient. Don't ever spend more time with than you can afford to lose either.

I fear with insurance denying zepbound and tiktokers and Facebookers are going to ruin this process from karening out.
Sadly it has already been handicapped by some, resulting in the removal of methods of payment, in many cases.
I do wish the vendors would avoid showing others information, but as a whole this transaction will be identical to any other from CN.

The new people need to stick to domestic until they sort out and understand the nuances of ordering "Grey market" items from overseas vendors, who have to sneak it through customs.

Where is my dear Tracy when we need her/him..nothing is pink for this woman.
 
I think your expectations might be a bit high. I have been burned for $400 before, so I understand the anxiety of trusting a Chinese gray market peptide sales person that the only info you have on them is a fake photo of an Asian supermodel and a female name that is probably not theirs. And for the icing you have to pay with crypto to make it untraceable. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. People get burned with gray market peptides. Only buy what you're willing to lose.

And speaking of... Does Ava from LSPL remind anyone else of Tracy from QSC? Looking at the timeline and the vibe I get when I interact with Ava, I keep getting this feeling they are connected somehow.
 

Trending Topics

Latest Posts

Forum Statistics

Threads
3,346
Posts
54,976
Members
7,324
Latest member
lgmccarthy
Top Bottom