If not tirz+cagri, then what?

[clayd]

I have zero interest at all in getting into the drama about who's posting what about cagri and the personal attacks etc. Stay out of that here please.

I have seen enough to have some caution about China cag + bac water. Maybe it's solved by a pH adjustment, maybe not. Or maybe it doesn't need to be. I don't know really but let's say I'm ok with erring on the side of caution...

But my thing is lots of folks are trying cagri to offset the hunger of tirz on day 5-7 of the weekly cycle. So the problem is pretty defined: tirz doesn't last a week, we need a 3 day boost.

Let's assume for now that cagri isn't the answer. What is? A little semaglutide on day 5? My thought is maybe a 5-day tirz dosing schedule.

But id take a good 3 days of appetite suppression from anything definitely safe.

If not cagri, what do you think can provide the 3 day boost?

 

[clayd]

It doesn't have to be a peptide or GLP1. My wife had great success on contrave. What about a classic weight loss med like that or like liraglutide?

 

[brentm]

how about take tirz more frequently?

semaglutide?

You'll get objections to all of them...

 

[clayd]

Tirz on 5 day schedule seems easiest, but not the least costly

 

[clayd]

how about take tirz more frequently?

semaglutide?

You'll get objections to all of them...

I think tirz every 5 days seems the most likely, 5 days requires some calendar diligence but should solve the issue. What it doesn't solve is all this cag in my freezer and my hopium that it was money well spent

 

[clayd]

Also not entirely opposed to adding a little 2.4 ph white vinegar to my cag
People will laugh but that's just acetic acid + water

 

[brentm]

I think tirz every 5 days seems the most likely, 5 days requires some calendar diligence but should solve the issue. What it doesn't solve is all this cag in my freezer and my hopium that it was money well spent

I like Tirz + Sema.

My wife and I really respond well to it.

Sorry about the Cag in your freezer and that you aren't comfortable using it. I don't think I would use it... but then again, I wanted to always stay on the FDA-approved side of the fence.

 

[clayd]

I like Tirz + Sema.

My wife and I really respond well to it.

Sorry about the Cag in your freezer and that you aren't comfortable using it. I don't think I would use it... but then again, I wanted to always stay on the FDA-approved side of the fence.

What's your dose schedule?

 

[clayd]

My entire pile of cagri is 50mg, I'm not too concerned that 50 mg will give me t2d or Alzheimer's, but I'm for now reluctant to reorder.

 

[ThePepPlanner]

SURVO

I was dosing every 3 days(alternating meds) of Tirz + cag & reta + cag.

Dropped the tirz and replaced with Survo. Works great.

 

[brentm]

What's your dose schedule?

Every 3.5 days, I take 5mg of Tirz and 1mg of Sema....

 

[kayh9]

Also not entirely opposed to adding a little 2.4 ph white vinegar to my cag
People will laugh but that's just acetic acid + water

I’m also curious about this. I’ve got a bunch of Cagri that I’d hate to see go unused. I saw some 0.6% acetic acid solution vials on a few peptide sites and even on Amazon, but I’m not sure if you reconstitute with that AND bac water or just the acetic acid solution. Or how much acetic acid to add to a vial you’ve already reconstituted with BAC water. Anything specific to how we achieve this pH of 4 would be incredibly helpful, preferably by someone who has done/is currently doing this.
Unfortunately I’ve invested many hours into searching for this info and am no closer to a solid, definite answer lol.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

I’m also curious about this. I’ve got a bunch of Cagri that I’d hate to see go unused. I saw some 0.6% acetic acid solution vials on a few peptide sites and even on Amazon, but I’m not sure if you reconstitute with that AND bac water or just the acetic acid solution. Or how much acetic acid to add to a vial you’ve already reconstituted with BAC water. Anything specific to how we achieve this pH of 4 would be incredibly helpful, preferably by someone who has done/is currently doing this.
Unfortunately I’ve invested many hours into searching for this info and am no closer to a solid, definite answer lol.

From what I've seen, most people ph test after adding bac and then add a few drops of the acetic acid to bring the ph down if needed. I've not seen anything more specific than this.

 

[amynurse]

Consider mazdutide. My RS started it a few weeks ago, and has been able to titrate down on the cagri. Plan is to eventually discontinue cagri, and just use maz/tirz combo.
Maz mostly helps with satiety. RS cannot eat more than half of a serving at a time. It might work well for your research.

 

[chmuse]

It doesn't have to be a peptide or GLP1. My wife had great success on contrave. What about a classic weight loss med like that or like liraglutide?

As an aside, please be careful using contrave. It's a mix of bupropion and naltrexone, both of which have their own side effects. Bupropion lowers the seizure threshold so it's not appropriate for everyone, and can lead to suicidal impulses. It's a great drug, but has some issues people should be aware of before going in. (Not that everything doesn't have issues- we're here discussing cagri, reta has the potential for raised heart rate, etc.)

 

[penewbie]

Tirz on 5 day schedule seems easiest, but not the least costly

No offense, but, with Tirz prices now in the $0.5-1/mg range, you could probably fund a couple months of the new schedule by cutting out a single Starbucks coffee.

 

[clayd]

No offense, but, with Tirz prices now in the $0.5-1/mg range, you could probably fund a couple months of the new schedule by cutting out a single Starbucks coffee.

yeah tirz is getting cheaper. i make my coffee at home though.

 

[nccane]

Having taken cagri and probably shouldnt have. I would do the following first, personally. Some the below do not follow recommended guidelines by EL, but I'd probably explore them before resulting to cag.

1. Higher dose of my main glp
2. Switch to a 5 day schedule
3. Explore doses above the current recommendation (tirz studies at 20/25 happening)
4. Stack with Sema
5. Explore a stack with other glp1s
6. Explore other peptides/options.

 

[Sunflower]

It doesn't have to be a peptide or GLP1. My wife had great success on contrave. What about a classic weight loss med like that or like liraglutide?

Uhh, contrave is a hybrid of naltrexone and the NDRI, Wellbutrin. You can’t cycle Wellbutrin and she WILL have withdrawals ever trying to get off of it. I’d try cycling a number of peptides and even cycling low dose naltrexone before committing to a daily psychotropic. I was on Wellbutrin for 5+ yrs and it made me suicidal during the 6months weaning off. Much better now tho.

 

[Sunflower]

As an aside, please be careful using contrave. It's a mix of bupropion and naltrexone, both of which have their own side effects. Bupropion lowers the seizure threshold so it's not appropriate for everyone, and can lead to suicidal impulses. It's a great drug, but has some issues people should be aware of before going in. (Not that everything doesn't have issues- we're here discussing cagri, reta has the potential for raised heart rate, etc.)

Bupropion I thought was great for a few years till I realized it made me not care enough to change my addictive behavior and was lacking impulse control, among other issues. I wasn’t suicidal until after I tired to wean off, and that lasted at least 6months.

I don’t think anyone should be on it UNLESS there are bio markers indicating their norepinephrine and dopamine levels are insufficient. And you know psychiatry doesn’t use those before offering a script.