If not tirz+cagri, then what?

[chmuse]

i clearly hit on a touchy topic. i'm very sorry for people's bad experience on contrave or wellbutrin. i only meant to suggest that there are non-glp1 weight loss meds available that might be useful as a stack. but i agree that contrave/wellbutrin is not to be trifled with, and i'm very sorry for the way it affected some of you.

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail; it's just not something to go on casually. You need a dr to supervise a taper coming off, whereas a glp-1 you can stop cold turkey. We're all here, so I doubt anyone who needs this information would see it on this forum anyway.

 

[clayd]

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail; it's just not something to go on casually. You need a dr to supervise a taper coming off, whereas a glp-1 you can stop cold turkey. We're all here, so I doubt anyone who needs this information would see it on this forum anyway.

no worries at all, i'm glad people shared their experience here so that anyone running across this thread can be informed.

 

[MrsRoper_1977]

SURVO 🎼

I was dosing every 3 days(alternating meds) of Tirz + cag & reta + cag.

Dropped the tirz and replaced with Survo. Works great.

It’s been a few weeks since you posted this. How’s Survo working for you now?

 

[keangkong]

I have zero interest at all in getting into the drama about who's posting what about cagri and the personal attacks etc. Stay out of that here please.

I have seen enough to have some caution about China cag + bac water. Maybe it's solved by a pH adjustment, maybe not. Or maybe it doesn't need to be. I don't know really but let's say I'm ok with erring on the side of caution...

But my thing is lots of folks are trying cagri to offset the hunger of tirz on day 5-7 of the weekly cycle. So the problem is pretty defined: tirz doesn't last a week, we need a 3 day boost.

Let's assume for now that cagri isn't the answer. What is? A little semaglutide on day 5? My thought is maybe a 5-day tirz dosing schedule.

But id take a good 3 days of appetite suppression from anything definitely safe.

If not cagri, what do you think can provide the 3 day boost?

Take it twice per week.

 

[ThePepPlanner]

It’s been a few weeks since you posted this. How’s Survo working for you now?

Still love it! I'm on maintenance with it though. But dosing every 2 weeks because the suppression lasts for some time.

 

[Super Trips]

SURVO 🎼

I was dosing every 3 days(alternating meds) of Tirz + cag & reta + cag.

Dropped the tirz and replaced with Survo. Works great.

were do you order your servo from? my 2 guys dont carry it

 

[clayd]

Still love it! I'm on maintenance with it though. But dosing every 2 weeks because the suppression lasts for some time.

You had me convinced to try some survo but man it's expensive. 10mg kit for $320 maybe I'll keep tirzing and cagrisema

 

[clayd]

Still love it! I'm on maintenance with it though. But dosing every 2 weeks because the suppression lasts for some time.

Finally considering some survo

 

[keangkong]

Bupropion I thought was great for a few years till I realized it made me not care enough to change my addictive behavior and was lacking impulse control, among other issues. I wasn’t suicidal until after I tired to wean off, and that lasted at least 6months.

I don’t think anyone should be on it UNLESS there are bio markers indicating their norepinephrine and dopamine levels are insufficient. And you know psychiatry doesn’t use those before offering a script.

One could say the same for GLP-1 medicines; that you shouldn't take them unless you have proof that you have biochemical balance indicating that you need them. The fact that you have depression that isn't responding to therapy or you're too fat and can't lose the weight otherwise are insufficient to justify taking medication. You're talking about testing in a way that wasn't done for clinical trials that proved the efficacy of the medicine. I have an allergy to Penicillin. My anecdotal story of what happened to me is a poor reason for others to avoid the same antibiotic. There are folks who take tirzepatide to the maximum dose and don't lose any weight. Most medicines, when taken as recommended by the manufacturer, may turn out to be a poor fit for an individual patient.

 

[Sunflower]

One could say the same for GLP-1 medicines; that you shouldn't take them unless you have proof that you have biochemical balance indicating that you need them. The fact that you have depression that isn't responding to therapy or you're too fat and can't lose the weight otherwise are insufficient to justify taking medication. You're talking about testing in a way that wasn't done for clinical trials that proved the efficacy of the medicine. I have an allergy to Penicillin. My anecdotal story of what happened to me is a poor reason for others to avoid the same antibiotic. There are folks who take tirzepatide to the maximum dose and don't lose any weight. Most medicines, when taken as recommended by the manufacturer, may turn out to be a poor fit for an individual patient.

The difference is, penicillin and GLP-1s have much higher efficacy for the condition they’re intended to treat than most antidepressants. Also, no one is putting young kids on GLP1s while their brains are still in an extra sensitive stage of development like they are with psychotropics.

When people experience negative effects from GLP1s, the docs usually reduce their dosage or remove them ASAP. Yet with Wellbutrin and similar psychotropics, docs tend to increase the dose, even when it’s clear the drug isn’t “helping.” Weaning off a GLP1 isn’t associated with negative effects like suicidal ideation. Same with penicillin.