Legal chat: Are we co-conspirators?

[BenevolentMrTang]

I wrote out a really long post giving numerous examples of why the end user of a product would never be prosecuted under a theory of conspirator liability. And I wrote a lot of other stuff, too. But I deleted it. The US Attorney for a certain jurisdiction (the one in which I practice) is a friend of mine. I’ll probably talk to him about some of these issues when I get a chance!

 

[GimmeABreak]

I appreciate all of the attorneys in the house taking the time to weigh in on this topic. I am not an attorney a fact that my attorney wife frequently points out whenever I talk about anything legal related. Her line "are you an attorney? Then shut the f&^k up!". So have learned to keep quiet when matters concerning the law are discussed.

 

[stickfigure]

I wrote out a really long post giving numerous examples of why the end user of a product would never be prosecuted under a theory of conspirator liability. And I wrote a lot of other stuff, too. But I deleted it. The US Attorney for a certain jurisdiction (the one in which I practice) is a friend of mine. I’ll probably talk to him about some of these issues when I get a chance!

One interesting thing to ask would be the impact of the size of the stash, if there's a search warrant and the stash is found. Could the size be used as evidence of intent to distribute if a normal person cannot possibly consume the whole stash in reasonable amount of time - provided there is no other evidence of distribution.

 

[mopo89]

Honestly? Same. I'd much rather spend my time reading @chmuse pontificating about Taylor Swift. But when I see just patently wrong statements about the law from lay people that make an entire community unnecessarily anxious, I can't help myself.

I’m so at the point (especially after the last 3 exhausting months at work - I’m in government! I shouldn’t have to work this much!!) where I read incorrect legal things and I’m like… cool, I hope that works out for you. Because I’m too exhausted! And my brain is mush and if I try to form sentences it comes out like msjzjsiskaoapwnwixksixixox.

Please.

Boys only want love if it's torture.

You like her, admit it.

P.S. I'd also just like to point out, I'm not even the one who went to her concert.

It’s me, hi, I’m the problem it’s me.

 

[YoYoFat]

One interesting thing to ask would be the impact of the size of the stash, if there's a search warrant and the stash is found. Could the size be used as evidence of intent to distribute if a normal person cannot possibly consume the whole stash in reasonable amount of time - provided there is no other evidence of distribution.

Get an attorney if you’re that concerned. Because we aren’t.

 

[stickfigure]

I am not concerned a bit. It's just a mental exercise. You know, stuff that keeps Alzheimer's at bay.
Doctors are saying it's good for you.
I am not paying for some attorney's Alzheimer's prophylaxis . They better pay for their healthcare themselves.

 

[BenevolentMrTang]

One interesting thing to ask would be the impact of the size of the stash, if there's a search warrant and the stash is found. Could the size be used as evidence of intent to distribute if a normal person cannot possibly consume the whole stash in reasonable amount of time - provided there is no other evidence of distribution.

Theoretically, I suppose that could be true, as it is with controlled substances, although peptides are obviously not at all the same and there's no statute establishing graduated penalties for the amount at issue or classifying that amount as intent to distribute or trafficking. If you have 300 kits in your home, it would be hard to argue convincingly that those kits are for personal use. But there would obviously be a ton of other evidence, also, in almost every case. A simple look at the person's phone or computer would reveal that.

 

[keangkong]

One interesting thing to ask would be the impact of the size of the stash, if there's a search warrant and the stash is found. Could the size be used as evidence of intent to distribute if a normal person cannot possibly consume the whole stash in reasonable amount of time - provided there is no other evidence of distribution.

You win. You don't have to use grey peptides. Just buy from Eli Lilly. Meanwhile other attorneys like myself will continue to buy grey.

 

[AndyPanda]

One interesting thing to ask would be the impact of the size of the stash, if there's a search warrant and the stash is found. Could the size be used as evidence of intent to distribute if a normal person cannot possibly consume the whole stash in reasonable amount of time - provided there is no other evidence of distribution.

Here is 2 cents nobody asked for… I am retired Law Enforcement (circa 2021). I don’t know about small agencies that have little to do, but I cannot fathom a busy agency wasting resources to come after people like us. I can already hear a prosecutor asking “why are you bringing me this?” I assure you places like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Atlanta have more pressing matters.

 

[stickfigure]

You win. You don't have to use grey peptides. Just buy from Eli Lilly. Meanwhile other attorneys like myself will continue to buy grey.

I am not an attorney, relax, I never claimed to be one and these days I tend to get by without bothering attorneys - paid o1 ChatGPT model is good enough for my mental exercises, easily providing references to both statutory and case law without bothering busy guys and gals like you

 

[BenevolentMrTang]

Be careful relying on ChatGPT for legal advice or guidance. It’s ok some of the time, but wildly wrong some of the time, too. Some of the attorneys in my office and I have experimented with it by researching things to which we already know the answer. Sometimes it’s mostly correct, but I’ve also found that it can simply make things up or flat out misstate the law. And I know this because I am literally the person who wrote the law!

 

[stickfigure]

I've been asked to serve as a character reference for a couple of friends for NCBE. So, I do have friends who are real attorneys that I can consult when needed. I usually don't bother them though. With ChatGPT, besides using a more advanced model, the trick is to request specific references to statutory or case law and then verify that they actually exist. This minimizes the risk of hallucinations. To be honest, the o1 model has not produced any significant hallucinations for me so far.

 

[penewbie]

Be careful relying on ChatGPT for legal advice or guidance. It’s ok some of the time, but wildly wrong some of the time, too. Some of the attorneys in my office and I have experimented with it by researching things to which we already know the answer. Sometimes it’s mostly correct, but I’ve also found that it can simply make things up or flat out misstate the law. And I know this because I am literally the person who wrote the law!

Sounds like that person is doing mostly mental masturbation, and for that ChatGPT is the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[stickfigure]

I admit I am a highly compensated knowledge worker. That's about the extent to which I am prepared to dox myself.

What is your preferred kind of masturbation? It's Friday, let it out.

 

[penewbie]

I admit I am a highly compensated knowledge worker. That's about the extent to which I am prepared to dox myself.

What is your preferred kind of masturbation? It's Friday, let it out.

That's a brave admission, I applaud you for you candor.

I prefer masturbating while looking at feet pics.

 

[stickfigure]

Good for you, good for you, whatever floats your boat. Enjoy the weekend and holidays.

 

[stickfigure]

stocking stuffers get a whole new meaning

 

[noteablequotable]

Sounds like that person is doing mostly mental masturbation, and for that ChatGPT is the best thing since sliced bread.

I admit I am a highly compensated knowledge worker. That's about the extent to which I am prepared to dox myself.

What is your preferred kind of masturbation? It's Friday, let it out.

I'm begging you to use the ignore button instead of engaging in whatever this is.

I'll be taking my own advice now. Good luck and God bless to you both

 

[chmuse]

Edit: never mind I'm derailing

 

[noteablequotable]

But then I couldn't make another Taylor Swift joke

I promise that you'll survive.