LIPO-C with NAD+

Boosey77 said:
I tossed mine. Asked a few people about it being so thick and the color. Was told it’s due to the NAD + degrading and oxidation. I didn’t want to risk it! I’m such a chicken!
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Thick? Color? B12 is that reddish yuck color. I didn't find it thick.. just had to pump some air in the vial to get it going.
 
yelloeyes said:
How much lidocaine are you adding? Mine should be here next week...
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I haven't actually done it yet but here is my logic, maybe people smarter than me on this board can weigh in.

I have 1% lidocaine which is 10mg/ml and Hallendale Bioboost+ (Lipo-C) has1mg/ml lidocaine. To achieve the same concentration in the 20ml Pegasus/Carved I was planning to add 2ml of lidocaine to an unpinned vial of Pegasus/Carved provided it will fit in the vial. I think there is room in the vial, if there isn't I will cut it back to 1ml or 1.5ml until I have used some of the vial and then top it off later. I think I also will need to adjust my dosage by about 10% to account for the additional volume of liquid.
 
Following this because it would be good to know how to add lido in general! Where did you buy the lidocaine?
 
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yelloeyes said:
Thick? Color? B12 is that reddish yuck color. I didn't find it thick.. just had to pump some air in the vial to get it going.
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It was super thick - I tried all the tricks. It wasn’t B12 red - it was deep orange/brown. It literally blobbed out of the vial into the syringe when it would actually come out. I have a vial of AM Shred 2.0 from HVY and it’s somewhat thick and typical B12 red - Carved wasn’t anything close to that. It was…. Off for sure. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I have found in all this from several vendors/people to make sure and keep NAD/NAD+ or NADH refrigerated if it’s reconstituted. Likely what the issue was with Carved.
 
AndyPanda said:
Lidocaine HCL powder is readily available.To make a 2% solution you weigh out 3 grams and add it to 15ml of sterile water, saline, or a recon solution. I have used it for a few things.

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Thanks! And then do you add a certain number of units to a reconned vial? Obviously you don't add 15mL to it.
 
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MingHenry said:
Medex seems to require a medical license on file for lidocaine!
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Try placing the order, mine went through. I added about 1.8ml to my vial of Carved today and it really didn't help with the injection site stinging/burning that lasted about an hour. I probably had about 16-18ml left in the vial.
 
Boosey77 said:
It was super thick - I tried all the tricks. It wasn’t B12 red - it was deep orange/brown. It literally blobbed out of the vial into the syringe when it would actually come out. I have a vial of AM Shred 2.0 from HVY and it’s somewhat thick and typical B12 red - Carved wasn’t anything close to that. It was…. Off for sure. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I have found in all this from several vendors/people to make sure and keep NAD/NAD+ or NADH refrigerated if it’s reconstituted. Likely what the issue was with Carved.
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I thought that refrigerating NAD+ can cause it to gel up? I haven't been keeping mine in the fridge would could be why it is thick and brown. Takes a minute or so to get it into the 31G syringe because it is so thick.
 
GimmeABreak said:
Try placing the order, mine went through. I added about 1.8ml to my vial of Carved today and it really didn't help with the injection site stinging/burning that lasted about an hour. I probably had about 16-18ml left in the vial.
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Wow that stuff has some sting! 1.8mL of lidocaine is a lot of think - did wherever you injected go numb?
 
MingHenry said:
Wow that stuff has some sting! 1.8mL of lidocaine is a lot of think - did wherever you injected go numb?
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No, I added 1.8ml to the 20ml vial (that was actually down to about 17-18ml. This is the same ratio as Hallendale Bioboost+ (10mg/ml)
 
GimmeABreak said:
No, I added 1.8ml to the 20ml vial (that was actually down to about 17-18ml. This is the same ratio as Hallendale Bioboost+ (10mg/ml)
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You are using a 1% lidocaine solution? I would use the Lidocaine HCL powder and the LIPO-C to dissolve it in a sterilized vial and make a stronger solution. Then, inject it back into the vial to combine.
 
AndyPanda said:
You are using a 1% lidocaine solution? I would use the Lidocaine HCL powder and the LIPO-C to dissolve it in a sterilized vial and make a stronger solution. Then, inject it back into the vial to combine.
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Ok, now I need to hunt down lidocaine powder...
 
GimmeABreak said:
Damn it Bobby!

Just checked the two vials I received about a week ago and both have crystals. The vial I am currently using is fine (but does smell awful and has a mild burn for several hours after inj).
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I requested replacement vials from Kimera for the crystalized Pegasus (Lipo-C w/NAD+) and received an email that they shipped yesterday. Hopefully, they have the problem corrected.

They also show in stock on their website if anyone else wants to give them another shot.
 
GimmeABreak said:
I requested replacement vials from Kimera for the crystalized Pegasus (Lipo-C w/NAD+) and received an email that they shipped yesterday. Hopefully, they have the problem corrected.

They also show in stock on their website if anyone else wants to give them another shot.
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Thank you for that! I may wait to order until you get yours...
 
yelloeyes said:
That's fine.. I am leaving tomorrow... and I still have 2 vials of Carved.
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I’ve been talking to Nexus Aminos and they have been working on LipoC and NAD+. Due to the NAD+ needing to be refrigerated he didn’t think it would be cost effective to combine them and cold ship them. I’ve bought several vials of blends from other vendors that had NAD+ premixed and not kept cold during shipping and they all degraded and had to be chucked.

His thought is to do a vial of LipoC (10ml vial) and bundle it with a vial of 100mg NAD+ that would be powder. Then reconstituted once we you get it and add it to the LipoC and kept in the fridge. He said roughly around 60.00 but that isn’t set in stone. They are US based. He would do a limited run on his site to start and then can increase availability if it does well. Would any of y’all be interested? Understandably he wanted an idea of interest in moving forward.
 
Boosey77 said:
I’ve been talking to Nexus Aminos and they have been working on LipoC and NAD+. Due to the NAD+ needing to be refrigerated he didn’t think it would be cost effective to combine them and cold ship them. I’ve bought several vials of blends from other vendors that had NAD+ premixed and not kept cold during shipping and they all degraded and had to be chucked.

His thought is to do a vial of LipoC (10ml vial) and bundle it with a vial of 100mg NAD+ that would be powder. Then reconstituted once we you get it and add it to the LipoC and kept in the fridge. He said roughly around 60.00 but that isn’t set in stone. They are US based. He would do a limited run on his site to start and then can increase availability if it does well. Would any of y’all be interested? Understandably he wanted an idea of interest in moving forward.
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How did you know the NAD+ was degraded, did it just feel like it wasn't working or did something happen that you could identify visually? I asked Kimera and they said NOT to store Pegasus in the refrigerator - dark room temperature.
 
GimmeABreak said:
How did you know the NAD+ was degraded, did it just feel like it wasn't working or did something happen that you could identify visually? I asked Kimera and they said NOT to store Pegasus in the refrigerator - dark room temperature.
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It was orange/brown and thick. I talked to several vendors (not who the vials that had to be thrown away came from) and all said the same thing. Not refrigerating it can cause degradation and oxidation. I googled it - gotta love google 🤣 - and pretty much everything I found said it needs to be refrigerated after it’s reconstituted. I have a bottle of stand alone NAD+ I’ve been using this week and it’s been in the fridge and it’s fine.
 
Boosey77 said:
It was orange/brown and thick. I talked to several vendors (not who the vials that had to be thrown away came from) and all said the same thing. Not refrigerating it can cause degradation and oxidation. I googled it - gotta love google 🤣 - and pretty much everything I found said it needs to be refrigerated after it’s reconstituted. I have a bottle of stand alone NAD+ I’ve been using this week and it’s been in the fridge and it’s fine.
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Given the crystallization problems Kimera is had recently they could be advising not to store in the fridge because they are concerned it will happen again. I have had a vial of Carved for about two weeks at room temp and it seems fine. A little brown but it was like that when I received it.

I also have had a vial of buffered NAD+ reconstituted with BAC water stored at room temp for about the same amount of time. I'm due for another pin of this tomorrow and will see how it is holding up.
 
I’m just going to keep taking my LIPO-C and NAD separately. I’m looking into seeing if buying a LIPO-C kit is worth it, or just continue to buy BioBoost+ from Groupon via Hallandale.
 
Dahlbaby said:
I’m just going to keep taking my LIPO-C and NAD separately. I’m looking into seeing if buying a LIPO-C kit is worth it, or just continue to buy BioBoost+ from Groupon via Hallandale.
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Hallendale is a pretty good value @ ~$50 for 30ml, I just wish they used meythl B12 instead of cyano. I have a full vial and will use it but probably won't order it again.
 
GimmeABreak said:
I requested replacement vials from Kimera for the crystalized Pegasus (Lipo-C w/NAD+) and received an email that they shipped yesterday. Hopefully, they have the problem corrected.

They also show in stock on their website if anyone else wants to give them another shot.
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Following… I’d love to know what the new vial looks like!
 
GimmeABreak said:
Hallendale is a pretty good value @ ~$50 for 30ml, I just wish they used meythl B12 instead of cyano. I have a full vial and will use it but probably won't order it again.
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The one I get from Groupon is the 10 ml vial. I haven’t seen the 30 ml vial being offered at that price.
 
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