NAD+ Supplier Query

[husla22]

Hey guys,

Seem to be A LOT of very knowledgeable people on this forum and I know it's a GLP-1 forum but I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good supplier for NAD+. For all other peptides I am happy with the supplier but I've been going round and round in circles on the usual Chinese wholesale sites trying to find a good supplier for NAD+.

Ideally I am looking for a buffered version with purity testing. I am looking for >99% purity.

A lot of vendors just send me JanoShik reports but that just does weight and not purity for whatever reason so I want a supplier that has either a local report or the best would be an international report from a lab such as MZ Biolabs.

Whatever I buy, I plan on testing (Purity, Endotoxins & Sterility) but all this is expensive so would rather buy from a recommended source.

Also has to be able to ship to the UK.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Sunflower]

Hey guys,

Seem to be A LOT of very knowledgeable people on this forum and I know it's a GLP-1 forum but I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good supplier for NAD+. For all other peptides I am happy with the supplier but I've been going round and round in circles on the usual Chinese wholesale sites trying to find a good supplier for NAD+.

Ideally I am looking for a buffered version with purity testing. I am looking for >99% purity.

A lot of vendors just send me JanoShik reports but that just does weight and not purity for whatever reason so I want a supplier that has either a local report or the best would be an international report from a lab such as MZ Biolabs.

Whatever I buy, I plan on testing (Purity, Endotoxins & Sterility) but all this is expensive so would rather buy from a recommended source.

Also has to be able to ship to the UK.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks

I made the mistake of ordering sublingual NAD+ from science.bio (in a jar) and having trouble dissolving it in BAC water fully. Not to mention risk of contamination.

Have you tried QSC? They have this NAD+ on their international warehouse list— 1 kit (10 vials of 500mg each) for $110. I plan to do my first mass order with them next week and will try to confirm how well these reconstitute first.

 

[husla22]

I made the mistake of ordering sublingual NAD+ from science.bio (in a jar) and having trouble dissolving it in BAC water fully. Not to mention risk of contamination.

Have you tried QSC? They have this NAD+ on their international warehouse list— 1 kit (10 vials of 500mg each) for $110. I plan to do my first mass order with them next week and will try to confirm how well these reconstitute first.

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My friend looking for nad+ went with PGB as multiple people recommended them and their NAD+ is buffered. QSC I don't think are buffered. If you do buy from QSC then you will have to do something to adjust the p.h.

As for buying NAD+ in a jar it doesn't sound like a good idea at all. I would just cut my losses on that one.

 

[beefsteak]

I made the mistake of ordering sublingual NAD+ from science.bio (in a jar) and having trouble dissolving it in BAC water fully. Not to mention risk of contamination.

Have you tried QSC? They have this NAD+ on their international warehouse list— 1 kit (10 vials of 500mg each) for $110. I plan to do my first mass order with them next week and will try to confirm how well these reconstitute first.

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Following for updates. Their NAD is selling for $65 right now. I hope it's buffered.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Following for updates. Their NAD is selling for $65 right now. I hope it's buffered.

If you are referring to PGB, yes their NAD+ is buffered. AFAIK, QSC NAD+ is unbuffered. I am currently pinning a previous batch of PGB and virtually no sting or ISR. Tested PH and and tested in the 6ish range. I have a couple of kits of the latest batch on the way.

 

[Valerie]

If you are referring to PGB, yes their NAD+ is buffered. AFAIK, QSC NAD+ is unbuffered. I am currently pinning a previous batch of PGB and virtually no sting or ISR. Tested PH and and tested in the 6ish range. I have a couple of kits of the latest batch on the way.

 

[MrsRoper_1977]

If you are referring to PGB, yes their NAD+ is buffered. AFAIK, QSC NAD+ is unbuffered. I am currently pinning a previous batch of PGB and virtually no sting or ISR. Tested PH and and tested in the 6ish range. I have a couple of kits of the latest batch on the way.

I’m using PGB’s also and it seems to be good stuff. Hit mine 2-3 months ago testing at 595 mg,

 

[husla22]

I hope it's buffered.

My friend asked before ordering and it's def buffered. $65 is a good price IMO. Just look at the price for unbuffered from any of the vendors on here.

I’m using PGB’s also and it seems to be good stuff. Hit mine 2-3 months ago testing at 595 mg,

I'm wondering if anyone has had the NAD+ actually purity tested? The JanoShik tests are just weight which doesn't tell you too much unfortunately.

 

[GimmeABreak]

I'm wondering if anyone has had the NAD+ actually purity tested? The JanoShik tests are just weight which doesn't tell you too much unfortunately.

There are labs that can test it. I think requires a LC/MS setup. It would likely require at least one separate vial too. I am have not seen vendor or group buy tests that include it.

 

[beefsteak]

My friend asked before ordering and it's def buffered. $65 is a good price IMO. Just look at the price for unbuffered from any of the vendors on here.


I'm wondering if anyone has had the NAD+ actually purity tested? The JanoShik tests are just weight which doesn't tell you too much unfortunately.

The NAD from QSC is buffered?

 

[jmarf456]

I’m using PGB’s also and it seems to be good stuff. Hit mine 2-3 months ago testing at 595 mg,

Can you tell me what the full name is for PGB

 

[jmarf456]

My friend looking for nad+ went with PGB as multiple people recommended them and their NAD+ is buffered. QSC I don't think are buffered. If you do buy from QSC then you will have to do something to adjust the p.h.

As for buying NAD+ in a jar it doesn't sound like a good idea at all. I would just cut my losses on that one.

What is the full name for PGB?

 

[zpped]

What is the full name for PGB?

Its a group buy and the p could stand for a few things. If you look around the forum you can indirectly find a way in. Have you tried just using the search function?

 

[jmarf456]

Its a group buy and the p could stand for a few things. If you look around the forum you can indirectly find a way in. Have you tried just using the search function?

Thanks - Yeah I actually spent a good part of the last couple of days on the site and have found a treasure trove of information. As far as PGB I did try the search function and it did not being up anything specific.

I am buying large quantities so I don't think I need a group buy - Just need reliable vendors.

 

[brentm]

I did reach out to Tuk Angel to see if their NAD+ was buffered.

She reached out to her 'colleague' but the question was not answered.

Is it just then a matter of reconstituting it and adjusting the pH to become "buffered"?

 

[Vicki]

I did reach out to Tuk Angel to see if their NAD+ was buffered.

She reached out to her 'colleague' but the question was not answered.

Is it just then a matter of reconstituting it and adjusting the pH to become "buffered"?

Essentially yes but it's extra steps and more chances of contamination. Also sodium bicarbonate is only sold as single use vials when you buy brand name. So you might want to add benzyl alcohol to 0.9% or 1% to preserve it. Then after you do all this you need to buffer slowly and test as you go along until you get in the pH range you want. So while doing all this you're switching out syringes and doing a lot of extra work. Probably while working at your non-sterile kitchen table lol. Luckily, you can still filter it at the end however.

Tl;dr: a lot of extra steps nobody wants to do.

 

[brentm]

Essentially yes but it's extra steps and more chances of contamination. Also sodium bicarbonate is only sold as single use vials when you buy brand name. So you might want to add benzyl alcohol to 0.9% or 1% to preserve it. Then after you do all this you need to buffer slowly and test as you go along until you get in the pH range you want. So while doing all this you're switching out syringes and doing a lot of extra work. Probably while working at your non-sterile kitchen table lol. Luckily, you can still filter it at the end however.

Tl;dr: a lot of extra steps nobody wants to do.

This is with the goal of keeping it stable for storage, correct?

An alternative would be to find your dose in a single vial? Pin the whole vial. Then you could skip all the steps of manipulating the pH and adding preservative/

 

[notyourrobot]

I did reach out to Tuk Angel to see if their NAD+ was buffered.

She reached out to her 'colleague' but the question was not answered.

Is it just then a matter of reconstituting it and adjusting the pH to become "buffered"?

I received NAD+ from Tuk earlier this week, and it is not buffered. When reconstituted with saline to make a nasal spray, the pH level was 2. Sodium bicarbonate brought it up to 7 after some trial and error.

 

[beefsteak]

After going through this I've concluded buying unbuffered nad is simply not worth it when buffered costs exactly the same. Add in 50ml sodium bicarbonate and benzyl alcohol you've essentially doubled the cost. Not including the labor, supplies, and the complete waste of research time bring this product to a usable state.

It's all on me for not doing research beforehand I guess.

My recommendation for people reading this is just to buy from group buys because most chinese vendors are selling unbuffered nad.

 

[notyourrobot]

After going through this I've concluded buying unbuffered nad is simply not worth it when buffered costs exactly the same. Add in 50ml sodium bicarbonate and benzyl alcohol you've essentially doubled the cost. Not including the labor, supplies, and the complete waste of research time bring this product to a usable state.

It's all on me for not doing research beforehand I guess.

My recommendation for people reading this is just to buy from group buys because most chinese vendors are selling unbuffered nad.

I don't know, friend. For me, the time spent researching and prepping the materials is all part of the fun of it. The time and money are investments in my health, and that's invaluable.

It's all in your perspective. This is more of a fun hobby than something I view as a chore.

Also, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't group buys pool resources to purchase large quantities from... Chinese manufacturers? Again, someone please correct me if I'm mistaken. I would just hate for some unsuspecting soul to pin some NAD+ without checking the pH and suffering the acidic, fiery hell that might follow, along with the potential tissue damage.

The only way for you to get exactly what you want without any sort of time and labor spent is to go legit. There is no easy way out on this side of things. If you're not willing to research, then what is the point of going the research route?

 

[beefsteak]

I don't know, friend. For me, the time spent researching and prepping the materials is all part of the fun of it. The time and money are investments in my health, and that's invaluable.

It's all in your perspective. This is more of a fun hobby than something I view as a chore.

Also, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't group buys pool resources to purchase large quantities from... Chinese manufacturers? Again, someone please correct me if I'm mistaken. I would just hate for some unsuspecting soul to pin some NAD+ without checking the pH and suffering the acidic, fiery hell that might follow, along with the potential tissue damage.

The only way for you to get exactly what you want without any sort of time and labor spent is to go legit. There is no easy way out on this side of things. If you're not willing to research, then what is the point of going the research route?

Yeah personally I just don't find it fun. Just as glp1s are a shortcut to lose weight I would rather have the convenience of not mixing my nad. More power to whoever enjoys it.

As far as the group buy goes for nad I've ever only seen it buffered because you can buy it every day unbuffered. The organizer will usually disclose whether it's buffered or not.

 

[cooleql]

Ya'll , stupid question what is buffered NAD? I have ton of NAD from QSC and YGC.

 

[zpped]

Ya'll , stupid question what is buffered NAD? I have ton of NAD from QSC and YGC.

Buffered means there are additives in the vial to adjust the pH to a usable level by just adding Bac water. Unbuffered should be pH adjusted after it's reconstituted.

 

[cooleql]

Buffered means there are additives in the vial to adjust the pH to a usable level by just adding Bac water. Unbuffered should be pH adjusted after it's reconstituted.

How do i find out my stock pile is buffered or unbuffered? Thank you

 

[zpped]

How do i find out my stock pile is buffered or unbuffered? Thank you

Most likely it's unbuffered, but if you recon a vial and test the pH it will be 4.5-6. I think unbuffered is around 2 usually.

 

[GimmeABreak]

How do i find out my stock pile is buffered or unbuffered? Thank you

Reconstitute with 2ml of BAC water, PH test (test strips can be found on Amazon). If it tests around 6 you have buffered NAD+.If low (<4) add Sodium Bicarbonate to bring the PH up to 6. Add additional BAC water if needed based on your desired injection volume.

Super low PH (<4) will cause ISR's, pain and could actually damage tissue, like injecting lemon juice.

 

[cooleql]

Reconstitute with 2ml of BAC water, PH test (test strips can be found on Amazon). If it tests around 6 you have buffered NAD+.If low (<4) add Sodium Bicarbonate to bring the PH up to 6. Add additional BAC water if needed based on your desired injection volume.

Super low PH (<4) will cause ISR's, pain and could actually damage tissue, like injecting lemon juice.

Hi do I need to reconsitute sodium bicarbonate in BAC and mix it with NAD?

 

[Peevee]

Most likely it's unbuffered, but if you recon a vial and test the pH it will be 4.5-6. I think unbuffered is around 2 usually.

Ouch 😂

 

[GimmeABreak]

Reconstitute with 2ml of BAC water, PH test (test strips can be found on Amazon). If it tests around 6 you have buffered NAD+.If low (<4) add Sodium Bicarbonate to bring the PH up to 6. Add additional BAC water if needed based on your desired injection volume.

Super low PH (<4) will cause ISR's, pain and could actually damage tissue, like injecting lemon juice.

Hi do I need to reconsitute sodium bicarbonate in BAC and mix it with NAD?

I gave the steps in my previous post. You mix everything in the original vial, add 2ml BAC, test PH, add a a few units of SB, test, continue adding SB and testing until you get to PH=6, then add remaining BAC water. Just keep track of the amount of SB you add and subtract it from remaining 1ml of BAC.

For example add 2ml of BAC, and it takes .4ml of SB to bring it to PH6, then add .6ml of BAC to make the entire vial 3ml.

Also, make sure you add a vent to NAD+ vial (using a luer lock needle or an insulin syringe with the plunger removed), The SB will cause the NAD+ to bubble up and you need to let the gas escape.

You should only need to experiment (add SB test, add more SB test) for the first vial. Subsequent vials in the kit should need the same amount of SB to bring them to PH6.

 

[Bronco]

Buffered NAD+ from Uther is 🔥

 

[GimmeABreak]

Buffered NAD+ from Uther is 🔥

Are you saying it's "fire" meaning fantastic or spicy. In this context I think your emoji could mean either....or both?

 

[Bronco]

Are you saying it's "fire" meaning fantastic or spicy. In this context I think your emoji could mean either....or both?

Fantastic

 

[normal]

Fantastic

What's the details on uther - would love to compare to pgb nad

 

[Peevee]

I’ve taken bad from two different suppliers and never felt jack squat. Must be just my luck.

 

[zpped]

I’ve taken bad from two different suppliers and never felt jack squat. Must be just my luck.

I feel the burn 🙂 But I'm just about to mix up a new vial and see if IM makes a difference. I take TMG with it and everything. I have a feeling it might be one of this that if you already have enough naturally the supplement isn't going to do much for you.

 

[Peevee]

I feel the burn 🙂 But I'm just about to mix up a new vial and see if IM makes a difference. I take TMG with it and everything. I have a feeling it might be one of this that if you already have enough naturally the supplement isn't going to do much for you.

I tried a vial of mots-c this week and got a little bump. Maybe after a few more days of it I’ll get what I’m looking for

 

[GimmeABreak]

I’ve taken bad from two different suppliers and never felt jack squat. Must be just my luck.

I don't get much from it either, just a subtle energy/focus boost. Nothing like I had with SS-31 for the first few weeks. I get absolutely nothing from MOTs-C so I have stopped researching it.

 

[Peevee]

I don't get much from it either, just a subtle energy/focus boost. Nothing like I had with SS-31 for the first few weeks. I get absolutely nothing from MOTs-C so I have stopped researching it.

Great now I have to try ss-31.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Great now I have to try ss-31.

If you are under 40 (or maybe even 50) it may not provide any "feelz". This is based on the user feedback that I have seen.

 

[Peevee]

If you are under 40 (or maybe even 50) it may not provide any "feelz". This is based on the user feedback that I have seen.

Mid-late 40s.

One thing I like about mots-c, especially in the winter, is actually feeling pleasantly warm for a change 😂

 

[cooleql]

I gave the steps in my previous post. You mix everything in the original vial, add 2ml BAC, test PH, add a a few units of SB, test, continue adding SB and testing until you get to PH=6, then add remaining BAC water. Just keep track of the amount of SB you add and subtract it from remaining 1ml of BAC.

For example add 2ml of BAC, and it takes .4ml of SB to bring it to PH6, then add .6ml of BAC to make the entire vial 3ml.

Also, make sure you add a vent to NAD+ vial (using a luer lock needle or an insulin syringe with the plunger removed), The SB will cause the NAD+ to bubble up and you need to let the gas escape.

You should only need to experiment (add SB test, add more SB test) for the first vial. Subsequent vials in the kit should need the same amount of SB to bring them to PH6.

I gave the steps in my previous post. You mix everything in the original vial, add 2ml BAC, test PH, add a a few units of SB, test, continue adding SB and testing until you get to PH=6, then add remaining BAC water. Just keep track of the amount of SB you add and subtract it from remaining 1ml of BAC.

For example add 2ml of BAC, and it takes .4ml of SB to bring it to PH6, then add .6ml of BAC to make the entire vial 3ml.

Also, make sure you add a vent to NAD+ vial (using a luer lock needle or an insulin syringe with the plunger removed), The SB will cause the NAD+ to bubble up and you need to let the gas escape.

You should only need to experiment (add SB test, add more SB test) for the first vial. Subsequent vials in the kit should need the same amount of SB to bring them to PH6.

Hi @GimmeABreak

Many thanks, i buffered my NAD+ with baking soda and the burning pain was gone.

Quick question: Is there any research done on how long we can store a buffered NAD?

 

[zpped]

Hi @GimmeABreak

Many thanks, i buffered my NAD+ with baking soda and the burning pain was gone.

Quick question: Is there any research done on how long we can store a buffered NAD?

ptds is doing a degradation test right now.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Hi @GimmeABreak

Many thanks, i buffered my NAD+ with baking soda and the burning pain was gone.

Quick question: Is there any research done on how long we can store a buffered NAD?

If you are talking about, like, Arm & Hammer, sterility would be a major concern. I hope you at least ran it through a filter after buffering?

To anyone else reading this post, this is not the way and is very risky.

Spend the $10 on 30ml of Sodium Bicarbonate that is specifically made for injections.