Nexaph 3P test group and self-testing

[Grogu]

For a variety of reason, I decided that my first purchase of grey would be via Nexaph. I realize that I'm paying more than CN sources, but I'm taking baby steps 😂! Maybe as I get more familiar with the process and various suppliers I'll move to other sources.

Anyways. I was able to find my way to StG and FPPG on telegram (thanks to this forum) and I'm in a 3P test group. So, everything is going great. Now I'm just wondering if I should independently send one of my own vials for testing. Is that something people usually do? I see that Nexaph sponsors a 3P test, but I'm not feeling the love about that test. And although the 3P independent group test is great, that requires a certain level of trust, and I'm totally new to grey, so I'm not sure how much I am to rely on that. Just wondering about the reliability to test groups on FPPG and/or if I should send a vial for testing on my own. I calculated the cost, and even if I paid for my own test that my cost per mg would be half what I was paying for compounded tirzepatide. Not that that should be the benchmark.

 

[Calm Logic]

The only reason I would consider independent testing in your situation is if the results come back showing significant variability in the fill. Like for T60, one vial from a kit having 65 mg and another vial from another kit having 75 mg. That would be rare though, except in once case this year with R12 from Nexaph: https://glp1forum.com/threads/nexa-overfill.4772/

 

[Grogu]

The only reason I would consider independent testing in your situation is if the results come back showing significant variability in the fill. Like for T60, one vial from a kit having 65 mg and another vial from another kit having 75 mg. That would be rare though, except in once case this year with R12 from Nexaph: https://glp1forum.com/threads/nexa-overfill.4772/

I purchased the most recent T60 batch and the vendor test came back with 72.01, 66.64 and 71.49 milligrams across the three vials. It's the 66.64 that has me concerned. But if anything, that would result in an underdose if I took the average of these tests.

Janoshik Analytical

There was also a Freedom Diagnostics test (sponsored by Nexa, if I understand correctly), that measured 64.03 mg from one vial. It will be interesting to see what happens with the 3P independent and 3P vendor sponsored tests as far as volume.

 

[Calm Logic]

Geez, the Nexa pre-order strikes again.

 

[MsGizmo]

For a variety of reason, I decided that my first purchase of grey would be via Nexaph. I realize that I'm paying more than CN sources, but I'm taking baby steps 😂! Maybe as I get more familiar with the process and various suppliers I'll move to other sources.

Anyways. I was able to find my way to StG and FPPG on telegram (thanks to this forum) and I'm in a 3P test group. So, everything is going great. Now I'm just wondering if I should independently send one of my own vials for testing. Is that something people usually do? I see that Nexaph sponsors a 3P test, but I'm not feeling the love about that test. And although the 3P independent group test is great, that requires a certain level of trust, and I'm totally new to grey, so I'm not sure how much I am to rely on that. Just wondering about the reliability to test groups on FPPG and/or if I should send a vial for testing on my own. I calculated the cost, and even if I paid for my own test that my cost per mg would be half what I was paying for compounded tirzepatide. Not that that should be the benchmark.

Honestly, I wouldn't bother. While yes, the variance is a bit annoying, its not the end of the world with tirz. Let's say your target dose is 10 and you calculate the vial as 70mg and your vial ends up being 66 .. well you will have a dose of 9.4mg for 7 weeks. Or if the vial is really 75mg your real dose would be 10.7mg for that 7 weeks. In either case is it really that big of a deal?

 

[Calm Logic]

Would not test either, unless the additional testing shows greater variability. Even then, I'm cheap, so I would have to think about it.

Though there are domestic labs with a decent reputation like Freedom Diagnostics at $225, one can get T100 by Uther from a traditional GB for $220, including shipping.

(To me, it is confusing with all the "F" labs. The only one that is legit is Freedom Diagnostics, which you mentioned. Forever Young and Finnrick are the trashy ones.)

 

[Grogu]

Honestly, I wouldn't bother. While yes, the variance is a bit annoying, its not the end of the world with tirz. Let's say your target dose is 10 and you calculate the vial as 70mg and your vial ends up being 66 .. well you will have a dose of 9.4mg for 7 weeks. Or if the vial is really 75mg your real dose would be 10.7mg for that 7 weeks. In either case is it really that big of a deal?

Thank for the response! I totally agree. I'm on 15-16mg dose right now, so a little overfill or underfill isn't going to make much of a difference.

Am I okay with the 3P test group on FPPG? I thought I read somewhere that sometimes test groups can be scams too, but FPPG seems to have some guardrails in place.

 

[Grogu]

Would not test either, unless the additional testing shows greater variability.

Thank you! I'm going to hold off on testing one of my own until both the independent and vendor sponsored testing comes back.

 

[Calm Logic]

Splitting doses into twice a week can also be more forgiving for dosing issues.

(Another reason some variability is less important to me is that I am crazier-than-usual stacker, so every week may be a little different, going on feels/sides, and I take a GLP even every day sometimes, like lira or soon orforglipron that are normally daily due to shorter half lives.)

 

[Grogu]

Splitting doses into twice a week can also be more forgiving for dosing issues.

(Another reason some variability is less important to me is that I am crazier-than-usual stacker, so every week may be a little different, going on feels/sides, and I take a GLP even every day sometimes, like lira or soon orforglipron that are normally daily due to shorter half lives.)

I just started my first stack two weeks ago by adding a small dose of semaglutide mid-week and I absolutely LOVE it. It broke my stall, which is what I was hoping. I didn't think such a small amount of medication would do anything, but I definitely feel it and it feels good.

 

[Calm Logic]

I will call you @Super Trips junior.

 

[Calm Logic]

With rounding, Nexa was 67 mg, 71 mg, and 72 mg. Put that way, Nexa doesn't seem as bad as I thought (but still makes me wonder about the next vial to be tested after the R12 issue).

For comparison, Uther's test results are 68 mg, 68 mg, and 70 mg for T60 (for $180 and less at UtherPep).

 

[Grogu]

With rounding, Nexa was 67 mg, 71 mg, and 72 mg. Put that way, Nexa doesn't seem as bad as I thought (but still makes me wonder about the next vial to be tested).

For comparison, Uther's test results are 68 mg, 68 mg, and 70 mg for T60 (for $180 and less at UtherPep).

It's definitely not terrible variance and will be interesting to see what the other tests show. I think that the group test collector will be shipping the vials to Janoshik tomorrow.

Thanks for the heads up about Uther, I'll definitely look into that for my next order.

 

[Calm Logic]

The 64 mg by Freedom Diagnostics will keep this drama going, no matter what, haha.