YoYoFat
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It was created by someone wholly unaffiliated with Cain. She’s been strung up like some “infiltrator,” when that couldn’t be farther from the truth.
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YoYoFat
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None of what you’re reading is true.
You didn’t actually respond to the points I made so I hope you don’t expect me to respond to yours?
Chizikitide-1977
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It's unfortunate you don't seem to understand the concept of a 3rd party test or the importance of 3rd party tests for that matter. True 3rd party tests are the best tool we have to keep ourselves safe and vendor involvement is absolutely unacceptable. Critical safety measures need to be separate from those with financial incentives.
Is it really that hard to understand? Any type of influence or connection can be used to his advantage. Maybe not right away, but if the relationship is established they have a card to play at some point down the road. It's like Chevron partnering with a high ranking EPA official. Maybe no crime was committed as of yet, but it's not hard to see what was intended.
MiniatureSnail
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That's not very nice and I'd like to think I've conducted myself in this forum in a way that would not make me seem like a close minded individual.
He's not "my man". I've never purchased from Nexa and don't plan to, for ALLLLLL the myriad other issues that have come up with them on this forum and others. The only argument I'm making here is WRT this one, particular issue which seems to me no different than any of the other Vendors paying for testing after product is sent out and volunteers are chosen.
This situation seems even LESS nefarious to me than that, because like you said, what if the volunteers are ringers who were purposely sent good product to then "volunteer" to have tested? I get that that can, and has, happened. But what happened in this instance is a bunch of people self-organized to send their vials directly to the lab themselves, and Cain learned of it and said "I'll pay for that". If that is all that happened, why is that so egregious?
100% agree that offering to pay for tests is the least concerning offense against them. There does seem to be a trend of dishonestly with this company, but offering to pay for a test that he could in no way influence the result of (unless he's trying to bribe the lab to fudge the results) just doesn't seem like a big deal.
Justice Thomas, in that example, would be the lab, not the testing group. I think that comparison would work if Cain was trying to bribe the lab to only present good results. Jano or PT would be the ones "evaluating fairness" (purity). He was just offering to cover the cost of vials sent in by independent individuals directly to the lab, not even to a 3rd party facilitator.
Listen - I get all your other points about the reputation and behavior of this company in general, and on that we agree. It just seems like, due to all that other shit, this vendor is also being criticized for doing one additional thing that lots of other vendors also do, and no one bats an eye. That is the part I don't get.
YoYoFat
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I understand the concept.
What you don’t seem to understand is what a lie is, what a mischaracterization is. And if you’re so concerned with vendor honesty, you might want to take a look in the mirror. And be a little more careful about what you say.
Describing “Michelle” as an “infiltrator” and “partner” makes someone lose all credibility for anything else they’d say. Because it’s flatly not true.
You also said Cantydes was rumored to doxx their customers. Is that true? Now I’m not so sure.
MiniatureSnail
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I think what I, and perhaps this other person are having trouble with here is how this act constitutes "influence".
We assume the lab is a neutral 3rd party and cannot be bought. The lab is doing the testing. The lab doesn't care who pays for the test. No matter who sends money to the lab, if the lab is doing its job, then the results will be what they are, regardless of who wrote the check. So Nexa sells 100 of something. 5 of those people self organize and say, we're going to test this product, let's all send it in to the Lab. Nexa finds out and says "I'll send money to the lab to cover the cost of the test".
Was that a PR move? Probably. Likely. But my point is that paying for a test does not mean that the payer can influence the test, unless they are also paying off the lab to falsify results, which is a totally separate and very serious issue.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree on the importance of the level independence of testing groups from vendors. I wouldn’t trust anything without a full firewall, you are more flexible about it. That’s all well and good.
What isn’t ok is breaching the firewall and not being transparent about it which is what it sounds like was attempted and thankfully failed.
Just spitballing here, why doesn't @YoYoFat volunteer to manage baba's testing moving forward, with baba funding it all, and have the donors all send everything directly to the lab? That way baba isn't underhandedly funding tests on a platform that wishes to remain independent, and people can put whatever trust they wish into the result? My guess is that without the credibility of the testing platform, which only exists because of that commitment to independence, people would see it for what it is: vendor testing.
peptideusername
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Cleveland Nexa Pharma doesn't really hit the same
I would rather buy peptides from China than Cleveland. lol
I have the upmost respect for you and what you add to this forum, it is excellent to say the least.
In respect to transparency, all the info about testing for the subpar purity 10mg Tirz was known to all affected. Cain was paying for it, Michelle was over seeing the vials being sent to test. First three people who volunteered were selected. One vial of the three failed to meet the 99% purity and Cain posted the results and announced those affected would be receiving replacements.(mine is in route). I like doing business with folks that have guarantees and honor those when they fail to meet them.
Hi everyone, going to try to address as many of the concerns that i have seen in this thread as i can.
What fillers are used in our formulations:
We currently use either one or a combination of the following: mannitol, sorbitol, sucrose and trehalose. Histidine is currently only being used in Tesamorelin because of degradation worries. Tesamorelin has a tendency to degrade if not buffered properly hence the reason we use histidine. Histidine was used because that is what the FDA approved version of Tesamorelin used (egrifta).
Any formulation we make, you can directly ask me for the excipients used and ill be happy to answer that. I don't think any other vendor has that knowledge or can even tell you because they aren't directly involved in the manufacturing process. Saying mannitol is the only excipient used for any of these Chinese vendors or other vendors is completely false, mannitol only generally does not protect the peptide and you would have seen many other issues if that was the case.
Third party testing:
We do pay for third party testing for the peptides we sell, i believe this is normal practice among vendors. If this is not the case, please correct me. As for Michelle "infiltrating" and being an "agent" for me, this is absolutely ridiculous. She helps in organizing random donors for third party testing that is getting sent directly to the testing lab. This organizing is done for my telegram group and not for any other group outside of it. I didn't even know she was part of a group that does third party testing till SM1 made that ridiculous statement about me manipulating. Honestly these claims are just ridiculous and below the belt. We are trying to do right by our customers by paying for their third party testing and to reduce the burden of cost to them. Other than that we are not involved in any way.
Lastly:
I'm sorry to all my customers that have to deal with ridiculous claims made by these types of people that have nothing better to do than to drag a vendor because they have a grudge against them. I am not active on these forums anymore because of issues like this but am very active in my telegram community. So please if anyone has any concerns they can contact me on telegram or ask in the telegram channels so i can answer them directly.
What fillers are used in our formulations:
We currently use either one or a combination of the following: mannitol, sorbitol, sucrose and trehalose. Histidine is currently only being used in Tesamorelin because of degradation worries. Tesamorelin has a tendency to degrade if not buffered properly hence the reason we use histidine. Histidine was used because that is what the FDA approved version of Tesamorelin used (egrifta).
Any formulation we make, you can directly ask me for the excipients used and ill be happy to answer that. I don't think any other vendor has that knowledge or can even tell you because they aren't directly involved in the manufacturing process. Saying mannitol is the only excipient used for any of these Chinese vendors or other vendors is completely false, mannitol only generally does not protect the peptide and you would have seen many other issues if that was the case.
Third party testing:
We do pay for third party testing for the peptides we sell, i believe this is normal practice among vendors. If this is not the case, please correct me. As for Michelle "infiltrating" and being an "agent" for me, this is absolutely ridiculous. She helps in organizing random donors for third party testing that is getting sent directly to the testing lab. This organizing is done for my telegram group and not for any other group outside of it. I didn't even know she was part of a group that does third party testing till SM1 made that ridiculous statement about me manipulating. Honestly these claims are just ridiculous and below the belt. We are trying to do right by our customers by paying for their third party testing and to reduce the burden of cost to them. Other than that we are not involved in any way.
Lastly:
I'm sorry to all my customers that have to deal with ridiculous claims made by these types of people that have nothing better to do than to drag a vendor because they have a grudge against them. I am not active on these forums anymore because of issues like this but am very active in my telegram community. So please if anyone has any concerns they can contact me on telegram or ask in the telegram channels so i can answer them directly.
There is a city named Shanghai in Indiana so he isn’t completely lying, definitely deceiving.
Simple, straightforward, yes or no question: Did you experiment with histidine in glp1s only to discover it had unpredictable interactions with them after it was in customers' hands (and bodies)?
You need to stop closing every post with the part where you pretend to be a victim. There are valid concerns here that you simply skip over and then act like anyone who voices them is an irrational grudge holder.
Histidine was never used in GLP1's, we where afraid it may have been used with Reta and that is what caused the degradation. So we sent a sample of the histidine to Jano to confirm and he didn't detect histidine. It turned out to just be degradation from the process of freeze drying. After we got that confirmation, we re made the batch and re shipped it out to everyone affected.
Trying to understand things because it contradicts your previous statement (attached). So you thought you used histidine, you told jano that was what you used when he asked about the filler because of major impurities in the sample, but then it turned out you didnt use histidine after all after sending in another sample?
Assuming that is the case, how did it occur that you were mistaken about the filler you used?
We sent three samples into Jano at the same time, Tesamorelin, TB4, and Retatrutide. We weren't sure as to which one this graph was alluring to. After sending him the histidine to recalculate, it was clear that Reta wasn't part of the major impurities. The TB4 that had histidine in it was never sold or sent to any customers. Ill attach the recalculated tests and comments from Jano below.
Histidine is an essential amino acid and it isnt something thats just a "random filler". Its used in many FDA formulations because of its positives.
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peptideusername
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Then you are his target customer base and exactly why he went with a lying Chinese name.
Thanks for clarifying. Sorry to see you do the victim thing at the end of what was otherwise a healthy and mature engagement, but I do admire that you got 80% of the way there; that's progress! Nobody called it a random filler, it was called a filler not typically used with GLP1s, which is true is it not? Believe it or not we arent all out to get you, we'd just like to see you behave in an above-board fashion which isn't a terrible thing to strive for, but hasn't really been the case to date.
