Pre filling glp1 syringe

[Griffwisha]

I mean of course it's unlikely, and I don't have to provide a source for that, you think USP guidelines are just some joke?

I haven't made the standards, but people with big brains did. If it was fine to do, then we would not have them?

Ask any medical person if they are allowed to do that and they'll tell you they can't. Unless they follow USP Chapter 797 guidelines.

Now, if you think it's absurd and all, fine, but remember that standards and strict guidelines are there for a reason. I chose to follow the guidelines the best I can, because I'm no smarter than the people that made

I mean of course it's unlikely, and I don't have to provide a source for that, you think USP guidelines are just some joke?

I haven't made the standards, but people with big brains did. If it was fine to do, then we would not have them?

Ask any medical person if they are allowed to do that and they'll tell you they can't. Unless they follow USP Chapter 797 guidelines.

Now, if you think it's absurd and all, fine, but remember that standards and strict guidelines are there for a reason. I chose to follow the guidelines the best I can, because I'm no smarter than the people that made

I mean of course it's unlikely, and I don't have to provide a source for that, you think USP guidelines are just some joke?

I haven't made the standards, but people with big brains did. If it was fine to do, then we would not have them?

Ask any medical person if they are allowed to do that and they'll tell you they can't. Unless they follow USP Chapter 797 guidelines.

Now, if you think it's absurd and all, fine, but remember that standards and strict guidelines are there for a reason. I chose to follow the guidelines the best I can, because I'm no smarter than the people that made them.

I think you are confusing what we do at home and what must be done in a pharmacy or hospital. I am a medical professional and have been a registered nurse for 28 years. The guidelines are very different in the home setting. I have clearly offended you and that was not my intention at all. This community is all about safety and harm reduction, which I support and I respect your practice.

 

[Goreandglitter]

There’s some loonies out there,.. you can pre fill it’s fine.

 

[scarywood75]

I think you are confusing what we do at home and what must be done in a pharmacy or hospital. I am a medical professional and have been a registered nurse for 28 years. The guidelines are very different in the home setting. I have clearly offended you and that was not my intention at all. This community is all about safety and harm reduction, which I support and I respect your practice.

That is exactly why I think it's good to be more cautious. What we do is already risky, more risky than if it was done in a professional setting with paid professionals, we purchase on our own, no FDA regulations, etc.

t's more risky in our home setting than what's done in hospital and pharmacy because

I think people see it the other way around, they think because it's at home that it makes it somehow less dangerous? Otherwise if you guys also think it's more dangerous, why adding even more unnecessary risks? You guys feel like USP guidelines is overboard?

You didn't offend me at all no worries, I just don't understand you and other thoughts on this one, let's not add more bad ingredients in the recipe is my point.

 

[scarywood75]

The question you all gotta ask yourself, if you go to to the hospital or the pharmacy and they were to prefill syringes, not follow proper standards, guideline, etc, would you be OK with that?

If yes, then I guess rules weren't made for you and you can do whatever, but DO NOT suggest anyone to do the same.

If no, then why don't you also follow them? It's not because it's done "at home" that magically all the risks or the reasons why these standards were put in place don't apply. It's in fact way more dangerous from the get go. The less you do, the more risk you add, simple math.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

i'd have to look thru your post history. often times people come off as you do then we find out they're on about 20 different things or have tried things that others wouldn't.

everybody has their own "line in the sand" and some are more judgmental than others.

you kinda rub me the wrong way.

 

[scarywood75]

i'd have to look thru your post history. often times people come off as you do then we find out they're on about 20 different things or have tried things that others wouldn't.

everybody has their own "line in the sand" and some are more judgmental than others.

you kinda rub me the wrong way.

But what we are talking here can maybe save you a bit of time that's it? I don't see the risk/reward ratio being that good

Everyone has their opinion, but again this is just facts not opinion. It's more risky and guidelines are there for that reason. Even if you don't agree, I'm not the one making this up, I'm not the one that decided it wasn't a good idea to not do it.

I'm no perfect ofc, but we should not argue about facts and I will never suggest something that, to my knowledge, add more danger to the mix.

 

[brentm]

The question you all gotta ask yourself, if you go to to the hospital or the pharmacy and they were to prefill syringes, not follow proper standards, guideline, etc, would you be OK with that?

If yes, then I guess rules weren't made for you and you can do whatever, but DO NOT suggest anyone to do the same.

If no, then why don't you also follow them? It's not because it's done "at home" that magically all the risks or the reasons why these standards were put in place don't apply. It's in fact way more dangerous from the get go. The less you do, the more risk you add, simple math.

I think you're being overly dramatic.

At some point on here, I mentioned I don't alcohol swab my skin prior to SQ injections. People like you freaked out and talked to me like I was some blasphemer.

I'd like to see evidence of people dying from prefilling syringes. Studies? What about deaths from not swabbing SQ injection sites?

Pre-filling 24 hours in advance of injection is probably fine. Recap the needle. Keep the prefilled syringe in a container if you can.

I don't think there's anything wrong with swabbing your skin, not prefilling, swabbing the top of the vial, etc. If that's your practice, I doubt you can go wrong with it.

But humans are much more resilient than you give us credit for when stabbing themselves with a once-sterile 8mm needle.

I've had infected hangnails and didn't die. I seriously doubt an 8mm needle is going to put me in the grave.

 

[scarywood75]

I'm here in case newbies get there and see all these comments saying it's fine and it can be done, but it's just no true.

Someone with no knowledge won't necessarily see this as added risk, while, even if negligible, it does.

If you are AWARE of the risk and decide not to care, fine. If you don't know shit, then just don't prefill, for real not worth it

 

[scarywood75]

I think you're being overly dramatic.

At some point on here, I mentioned I don't alcohol swab my skin prior to SQ injections. People like you freaked out and talked to me like I was some blasphemer.

I'd like to see evidence of people dying from prefilling syringes. Studies? What about deaths from not swabbing SQ injection sites?

Pre-filling 24 hours in advance of injection is probably fine. Recap the needle. Keep the prefilled syringe in a container if you can.

I don't think there's anything wrong with swabbing your skin, not prefilling, swabbing the top of the vial, etc. If that's your practice, I doubt you can go wrong with it.

But humans are much more resilient than you give us credit for when stabbing themselves with a once-sterile 8mm needle.

I've had infected hangnails and didn't die. I seriously doubt an 8mm needle is going to put me in the grave.

That is not the point I wanna make. Of course you do whatever you want and think the way you want, it's fine.

I have issues with people promoting bad practices like that.

I don't agree nor do everything properly, follow all standards and guidelines, but I will not show it off because it could convince some that it's fine to do.

People are very easily influenced, they'll see lot of people doing something and do the same even if it's bad.

It's all about harm reduction and we should promote it, whenever you agree or not.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

It's all about harm reduction and we should promote it, whenever you agree or not.

you'd probably have a problem with me driving an old rickety car without airbags and no traction control, too much horsepower. you're drawing a line and saying where you draw it is the only place it can be.

none of this is good practice. you're taking a chance these substances are going to do bad things to your body. but you focus on what you want to focus on and proclaim yourself some kind of ultimate authority.

i'm really sick of hearing that buzz term "harm reduction"

but continue being the hero that saves us all from ourselves.

 

[tul9033]

Can't help but shake my head. This is getting ridiculous. I'm going to have to ignore this thread so I don't go unhinged.
YOU'RE INJECTING AN UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE IN YOUR BODY FROM BLACK MARKET CHINA AND YOU WAN'T TO TALK ABOUT HARM REDUCTION!?

 

[scarywood75]

Can't help but shake my head. This is getting ridiculous. I'm going to have to ignore this thread so I don't go unhinged.
YOU'RE INJECTING AN UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE IN YOUR BODY FROM BLACK MARKET CHINA AND YOU WAN'T TO TALK ABOUT HARM REDUCTION!?

EXACTLY! It's just a simple math problem, we are already adding more risk, let's try not to add more?

 

[scarywood75]

you'd probably have a problem with me driving an old rickety car without airbags and no traction control, too much horsepower. you're drawing a line and saying where you draw it is the only place it can be.

none of this is good practice. you're taking a chance these substances are going to do bad things to your body. but you focus on what you want to focus on and proclaim yourself some kind of ultimate authority.

i'm really sick of hearing that buzz term "harm reduction"

but continue being the hero that saves us all from ourselves.

So for you it's all or nothing? As you said there's already more risk because of where we purchase and what we purchase. This is something we can mitigate by testing as much as possible.

The more precautions you take, the less risky it becomes overall? For precautions like we are talking in this thread, there's almost zero drawbacks.

I don't have an issue with you driving a car like that, as long as you don't tell every ody it's fine nor pass it to people. That's where my issue is.

 

[indolent]

Note that WHO doesn't even recommend an alcohol skin swab before subQ injection. All those icky microbes being pushed into your internal tissue.

AFAIK, Big Pharma doesn't include swabs with their fancy $1100 pens. Don't overthink these things in an ultimately irrational way.

 

[scarywood75]

Note that WHO doesn't even recommend an alcohol skin swab before subQ injection. All those icky microbes being pushed into your internal tissue.

AFAIK, Big Pharma doesn't include swabs with their fancy $1100 pens. Don't overthink these things in an ultimately irrational way.

Yeah don't overthink, just yank it. It's only your life afterall.

This type of promoting is reckless, you do it fine, but don't tell people to do the same.

 

[scarywood75]

There's a difference between not caring about your own risk vs not caring about everyone' risk they'll take when following your reckless recommandations.

Come on guys

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

your reckless recommandations.

Come on guys

yea, its your attitude we don't like. make your own best recommendation and move on. no need to constantly posture and browbeat people. i guess that's why you have over 900 posts.

 

[indolent]

not caring about your own risk vs not caring about everyone' risk

This is the mindset of every media article/story about compounded weight loss drugs: full tilt towards the absolute "what if/could/might/may".

There's a risk continuum, even with white market, and forums like these exist in part for people to "think it," not overthink it or underthink it.

 

[scarywood75]

yea, its your attitude we don't like. make your own best recommendation and move on. no need to constantly posture and browbeat people. i guess that's why you have over 900 posts.

I'm only answering because people are answering back, if you don't like what I post just don't react

It's funny that you ask me to browbeat people because you are doing it too, I mean I am not insisting here outside of replying back to people that replied to me.

If nobody replied, I wouldn't have added anything else? Unless others can reply but I can't?

I don't understand your take here aha

 

[scarywood75]

This is the mindset of every media article/story about compounded weight loss drugs: full tilt towards the absolute "what if/could/might/may".

There's a risk continuum, even with white market, and forums like these exist in part for people to "think it," not overthink it or underthink it.

There's that risk that we can't really remove. But we can at least reduce the risk for everything else no?

Your take is that; it's already risky so a bit more risk is fine?

It does not need to be nothing or everything, we can have a balance.

I'm not saying reconstitute in a ISO 100 room or something, but not prefilling syringe is something everybody can avoid doing