Question for the US: how are you all so calm about long-term freezing?

Mara_aa said:
That’s quite a setup, definitely more advanced than “hope for the best” approach
I live in an apartment, so having a generator isn’t really an option.
Honestly, that’s the kind of setup that would let me sleep peacefully lol
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The wifi thermometers are pretty cheap. Having a backup plan would be prudent too. A friend or two in another part of the city, whose power might not be interrupted?

In any event, Peter Magic's interview seemed to pretty much disprove the necessity of freezing, even when looking for years of storage. I just do it as an extra precaution.
 
Smiter said:
I would look at it in two ways. Number 1 and foremost. I am taking these peptides to get to a stage where I will no longer need them; thus, if I have to store them for years of future use, then that's a fail in my book. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, given the speed of advancements, it's quite likely that within a few years, far more advanced products will hit the market, and worse, issues with existing products might come to light.
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I see your point, I agree with the second part and I’m trusting it’ll play out that way.
The first one… my food noise strongly disagrees lol
 
Airborne Daddy said:
Jano said tirz is the cockroach of glp1s.... id hope reta and sema arent far behind. He also tested 9 year old hgh found in a garage that had minimal degradation, but manufacturers will tell you otherwise.
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That's oddly reassuring, I'II take that!
 
CandyCap said:
My sister lives out of town, and she loses power for days at a time in the winter.
We are in town, and have lost power maybe 3 times in the last 5 years. Never more than 2 or 3 hours at a time. I don't worry too much about it.
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Sounds like city life has its advantages!
 
woundcarping said:
Peps in a thermos in a cooler with thermal mass in a freezer with thermal mass is pretty robust, if you’re into that kinda thing.

A generator to run a freezer is cheap, enough generator to run the house isn’t practically that expensive.
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The setup is a really good suggestion and something I could definitely adopt.
The generator isn’t really an option for me, I live in an apartment building in the city and it wouldn’t be allowed.
 
deluge said:
The wifi thermometers are pretty cheap. Having a backup plan would be prudent too. A friend or two in another part of the city, whose power might not be interrupted?

In any event, Peter Magic's interview seemed to pretty much disprove the necessity of freezing, even when looking for years of storage. I just do it as an extra precaution.
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That makes sense, the wifi thermometers and having a backup plan are great ideas.
I could probably sort something locally if needed.
And good to know about freezing too, reassuring that it’s more of an extra precaution.
 
Mara_aa said:
The setup is a really good suggestion and something I could definitely adopt.
The generator isn’t really an option for me, I live in an apartment building in the city and it wouldn’t be allowed.
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Water is pretty easy thermal mass in terms of availability and conforming to wasted space. Gotta plan around it melting/what contains it.
 
Mara_aa said:
I see your point, I agree with the second part and I’m trusting it’ll play out that way.
The first one… my food noise strongly disagrees lol
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Ah, food noise. I'm so acquainted with that bad boy. Well, 'Atomic Habits' may have a solution there. Building and stacking little changes over time while the peptides are on, and using brain chemistry with habit formation mechanics, to do the work. After all, none of us were born with the food noise programming. If hormones and chemicals can work one way, shouldn't they work the other way around as well? It's the principle driving evolution, right? Oh, and while it sounds theoretically indisputable, I wholeheartedly admit I wouldn't be saying that if there weren't appetite-suppressing fat burners out there. The Ephedra-caffeine-Tesofensine-Nootropics- bonanza offers so many options.
 
I’m not going to sweat the brief power outages that occur more frequently. As long as the food in my freezer is still frozen, I’m sure the peptides are as well. A full freezer with good seals can maintain below freezing temps for a couple days. Half full only stays frozen for a day. It’s long-term outages that are more of a concern. Typically, that’s either a really bad winter storm or a hurricane. For a winter storm, my backup plan is outdoor storage. For a hurricane, ice or generator. Blocks of use last longer than cubes.

For any other catastrophic disasters, I’m thinking I have a much bigger issue than losing my 7 year stash.
 
Mara_aa said:
Every time I see someone from the US casually say “I’ve got a two-year supply,” and then someone else jumps in with “five here,” I start wondering if we’re even living in the same reality.

Meanwhile I’m over here low-key stressed that grey might just disappear one day, and this current shipping pause isn’t exactly helping my mental stability.

So I’m genuinely trying to understand.
How do you all trust long-term peptide freezing that much?

Do you all have backup generators at home like it’s a standard appliance?
Or is your power grid just built different and outages are more of a myth than an actual risk?

Because here, it takes one slightly dramatic storm and I’m already picturing the freezer giving up, the stash gone, and me staring into the void like I’m in some low-budget tragedy.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m convinced that one unexpected thaw and those peptides aren’t even good enough to trace a path for ants.

So really: what’s the plan?
Backup power? Temperature alarms? Blind faith?
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I’ll worry when they succeed at stopping Fentanyl from entering the country.
 
Mara_aa said:
That’s quite a setup, definitely more advanced than “hope for the best” approach
I live in an apartment, so having a generator isn’t really an option.
Honestly, that’s the kind of setup that would let me sleep peacefully lol
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If you have a little freezer and pack it with frozen water jugs. You should be ok for a few days. I live in the country and have a large deep freezer that was still below freezing after losing power for 2 days.
 
Airborne Daddy said:
For the post Tribulation, WW3, Mad Max apocolypse you trade a kit of tirz for 3 cans of Chef Boyardee... you eat 3 days and he has no appetite for 4 days.... Ur right though, lose power in the southwest or the south for that matter in the summer for more than a week or so....

then again, this stuff sits in warehouses all summer in china and still tests well come fall. ( theyll say its temp controlled but its nonsense or theyd tout the temperature its stored at every 3 days...)
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We've gone 3 weeks here w/o power. Spot on with the warehouse thing. It's like being in the mail truck or UPS truck to there terminal, then with mailman/UPS guy since morning, going into my closed mailbox in a 95*/95% humidity day, or sitting on my front entry till I grab it.
Airborne Daddy said:
If you dont have children and grandchildren in and out the fridge/freezer 40 times a day ur good..... a dedicated freezer for beef, chicken and peptides is never a bad idea.
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Yep again. No kids in the house, grand kids when here get stuff from the kitchen fridge. We have a fridge/freezer in the garage that's frozen meats, fish and beer, sodas, water and a couple of bottles of wine only. That's where I keep my stuff and the current working vials go on the fridge side.
 
Let me throw out some food for thought that may help you rationalize this:

Lyophilization is a type of freeze drying. If you read about freeze drying more generally, you'll discover that it's an excellent food preservation technique that can allow you to store prepared meals for 20+ years without the need to refrigerate them. Now I don't suspect the taste and other qualities of those meals will be perfectly retained as the decades pass, but compared to canning or other long-term storage solutions, you'll find that freeze drying is orders of magnitude more effective at preserving the food than canning, freezing, dehydrating, salting, or anything else we've come up with over the years. You'll also find that a major component of how long freeze dried food lasts will be how effectively the material used to seal the food from air survives over time.

Now peptides aren't the same thing as food, but more generally they're amino acids strung together with some molecular tweaks and modifications, stored in glass vials, usually under vacuum. Through the use of excipients, they develop rigid low-density structures, similar to what you might find in freeze dried fruits (e.g. something that was high in water to begin with). To the extent that seal is maintained and they're protected from the outside world, it's not unreasonable to think they'd remain stable for a fairly long time.

With that understood, it's also known that chemical and biological processes generally slow down as the temperature is reduced. So if someone wanted to maintain freeze dried peptides for an extended period of time, it's also reasonable to think that storing them at a lower temperature would reduce the rate of whatever degradation method might occur. That's not to say they need to be "frozen" (and technically they're still frozen at room temperature), just that doing so should extend the shelf life to at least some degree.
 
Why do people hoard several years worth of peptides? Especially one mainly focused on weight loss? Are people needing to be on them for multiple years at a time to hit the goals? Or is this a preppers thing where they think the aliens might be coming, and when they do, they'll pile the weight on, and will have no way to order from China as the aliens will be doing their own customs checks?
 
mrmors said:
Why do people hoard several years worth of peptides? Especially one mainly focused on weight loss? Are people needing to be on them for multiple years at a time to hit the goals? Or is this a preppers thing where they think the aliens might be coming, and when they do, they'll pile the weight on, and will have no way to order from China as the aliens will be doing their own customs checks?
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The only viable reasons I can come up with for people hoarding years of peptides is due to uncertainty, laziness, or economic disability…. With the smallest amount of commitment to the game, they should be siting on decades of supply.
 
mrmors said:
Why do people hoard several years worth of peptides? Especially one mainly focused on weight loss? Are people needing to be on them for multiple years at a time to hit the goals? Or is this a preppers thing where they think the aliens might be coming, and when they do, they'll pile the weight on, and will have no way to order from China as the aliens will be doing their own customs checks?
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Many here are admitted “lifers”, planning on utilizing peps/glps in some capacity for the rest of their life- and for this reason, want a supply. Whether it be specifically for weight loss, or for the myriad of other factors how peps can improve your health and life and well-being.
 
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Smiter said:
Ah, food noise. I'm so acquainted with that bad boy. Well, 'Atomic Habits' may have a solution there. Building and stacking little changes over time while the peptides are on, and using brain chemistry with habit formation mechanics, to do the work. After all, none of us were born with the food noise programming. If hormones and chemicals can work one way, shouldn't they work the other way around as well? It's the principle driving evolution, right? Oh, and while it sounds theoretically indisputable, I wholeheartedly admit I wouldn't be saying that if there weren't appetite-suppressing fat burners out there. The Ephedra-caffeine-Tesofensine-Nootropics- bonanza offers so many options.
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Another advocate for Atomic Habits 🤙
 
mrmors said:
Why do people hoard several years worth of peptides? Especially one mainly focused on weight loss? Are people needing to be on them for multiple years at a time to hit the goals? Or is this a preppers thing where they think the aliens might be coming, and when they do, they'll pile the weight on, and will have no way to order from China as the aliens will be doing their own customs checks?
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Because we've read the studies, we know what they mean for us, and we're not interested in lying to ourselves or acting like we can just NOT regain like we've done many times before if we just believe hard enough and that "this time will be different." No, it almost certainly wouldn't. If I could do this without GLP-1's, I would have. The fact that I desperately wanted to all my life and never managed to maintain it, despite being a teenaged girl in the late '90's and knowing every calorie in every bite of food I ever took didn't "teach" me to not be compelled to eat too much and too often, and white-knuckling through periods where I didn't do that didn't "teach" me anything except that long-term, I would always eventually run out of the mental energy to not do that.

I'm right in the middle of normal BMI now, and fit. I've wanted this my whole life, and it's as wonderful as I always imagined it would be. I'm not taking any chance of losing it, and if that means staying on the meds and packing my freezer with them in case I otherwise lose access, okey dokey. I'd have done a deal with the devil to get this body, a once-a-week injection to keep me sanely maintaining is a miracle.
 
woundcarping said:
The only viable reasons I can come up with for people hoarding years of peptides is due to uncertainty, laziness, or economic disability…. With the smallest amount of commitment to the game, they should be siting on decades of supply.
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@CNCCurrency , would you mind posting that gif with the football player saying "They had us in the first half, I'm not gonna lie?" My rich text is still greyed out.
 
We have found the solution, we have the disposable income, and we are supremely optimistic.
Mara_aa said:
Every time I see someone from the US casually say “I’ve got a two-year supply,” and then someone else jumps in with “five here,” I start wondering if we’re even living in the same reality.

Meanwhile I’m over here low-key stressed that grey might just disappear one day, and this current shipping pause isn’t exactly helping my mental stability.

So I’m genuinely trying to understand.
How do you all trust long-term peptide freezing that much?

Do you all have backup generators at home like it’s a standard appliance?
Or is your power grid just built different and outages are more of a myth than an actual risk?

Because here, it takes one slightly dramatic storm and I’m already picturing the freezer giving up, the stash gone, and me staring into the void like I’m in some low-budget tragedy.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m convinced that one unexpected thaw and those peptides aren’t even good enough to trace a path for ants.

So really: what’s the plan?
Backup power? Temperature alarms? Blind faith?
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Definitely all of the above. We have found the solution, we have the disposable income, and we are supremely optimistic. Even if this stuff ends up turning into sawdust in 5-10 years we'll just order 5 years worth of GLP4 or whatever the new next best thing is.
 
mrmors said:
Why do people hoard several years worth of peptides? Especially one mainly focused on weight loss? Are people needing to be on them for multiple years at a time to hit the goals? Or is this a preppers thing where they think the aliens might be coming, and when they do, they'll pile the weight on, and will have no way to order from China as the aliens will be doing their own customs checks?i
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Diabetes, GLP1 were approved for Diabetes before weight loss.

Myself I had always been able to manage my weight with exercise and a strict diet, until my mid 40’s then the pre-diabetes started to manifest itself as an overriding factor in my health. Tirzepatide was like a miracle compared to the other drugs that my insurance would cover. Before I started taking tirzepitide I was going to have to take satins, blood pressure medication, and metformin for the rest of my life.

My Dr would have written me a prescription for
Mounjaro (tirzepitide for diabetes) but my insurance wouldn’t cover it until I had progressed from borderline diabetes. So I went the compounding route and dropped my A1c back into the normal range. So when the uncertainty of the future of compounded tirzepatide in doubt 1 spent the equivalent of one months of Mounjaro on a 6 year supply of grey market Tirz. I am happier with one shot a week instead of daily blood pressure, statins and metformin pills for the rest of my life. As when I lost the first 40# on Tirz all those numbers came down, and the side effects were nonexistent compared to what my insurance would cover.
 
Mara_aa said:
Every time I see someone from the US casually say “I’ve got a two-year supply,” and then someone else jumps in with “five here,” I start wondering if we’re even living in the same reality.

Meanwhile I’m over here low-key stressed that grey might just disappear one day, and this current shipping pause isn’t exactly helping my mental stability.

So I’m genuinely trying to understand.
How do you all trust long-term peptide freezing that much?

Do you all have backup generators at home like it’s a standard appliance?
Or is your power grid just built different and outages are more of a myth than an actual risk?

Because here, it takes one slightly dramatic storm and I’m already picturing the freezer giving up, the stash gone, and me staring into the void like I’m in some low-budget tragedy.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m convinced that one unexpected thaw and those peptides aren’t even good enough to trace a path for ants.

So really: what’s the plan?
Backup power? Temperature alarms? Blind faith?
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#1 - Yes, the US power grid is pretty reliable in my experience. I haven't lost power for a long enough time frame that my chest freezer melted .. ever. The longest I have been without power was about 5 hours. My chest freezer takes at least 12 hours to defrost.

#2 - Those of us living in areas with less reliable power often do own generators. I just looked into the market for them and I could have one that is powerful enough to run my refrigeration needs without a problem for less than $400. I'm sure if I checked the second hand market I could find one even cheaper.

#3 - Powdered peptides are a lot more durable than you think they are. They aren't going to instantly spoil if they thaw out. Even if they are subjected to repeated thaw and freeze cycles they are still going to be fine. At most they might lose some effectiveness .. but seriously .. is it going to make that big of a difference if your GLP1 is suddenly 10% weaker?
 
mrmors said:
Why do people hoard several years worth of peptides? Especially one mainly focused on weight loss? Are people needing to be on them for multiple years at a time to hit the goals? Or is this a preppers thing where they think the aliens might be coming, and when they do, they'll pile the weight on, and will have no way to order from China as the aliens will be doing their own customs checks?
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Reasearch shows people who lose weight in GLP drugs tend to gain it back very quickly when they come off them. Not only that, but they tend to lose both muscle and fat on the way down and replace it with just fat on the way back up. So its something most people will likely need to be on long term.

Personally, I'm on low dose Tirz for quality of life reasons. I have always struggled with food noise no matter what my weight or bodyfat is. So low dose Tirz has been a game changer. Add to that, there seems to be a lot of health benifits independent of weight loss. So, its probably something I will be on long term. I can insure I have access for a relatively low cost so why wouldn't I build up a supply? Even if I don't end up using it, I'm not out that much. Low potential risk, high potential reward.
 
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