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[Chili777]

I am just saying tirz is better than reta for unideal conditions. Like people are more reluctant to freeze reta once reconned, compared to tirz.

For room temperature, even non-GLPs generally do well after a year. PAE did such degradation testing.

Ok, I can agree with that. Even reconstituted and frozen, Tirz still lives.

 

[CNCCurrency]

By the way, compared to reta, tirz seems better for 10 years from now:

Well if Ai said it then it must be true? LOL

 

[Calm Logic]

Well if Ai said it then it must be true? LOL

You know they are different peptides, right? So they aren't going to be as potent as each other, right, after being in a freezer for 10 years? There will be differences, right?

As I just said, tirz does better than reta for everything as far as storage. Or at the very minimum, has a much longer track record.

Reta doesn't even recon well in saline BAC. It can get cloudy enough to be trashed immediately. So that was my first clue that reta may not be as stable as tirz.

 

[CNCCurrency]

You know they are different peptides, right? So they aren't going to be as potent as each other, right, after being in a freezer for 10 years? There will be differences, right?

As I just said, tirz does better than reta for everything as far as storage. Or at the very minimum, has a much longer track record.

Reta doesn't even recon well in saline BAC. It can get cloudy enough to be trashed immediately. So that was my first clue that reta may not be as stable as tirz.

Based on who's research? How can there be any 10 year research for peps that only been around for a couple years on most glp1's? So I will not take your unscientific nonsense as gospel.

 

[CNCCurrency]

You know they are different peptides, right? So they aren't going to be as potent as each other, right, after being in a freezer for 10 years? There will be differences, right?

As I just said, tirz does better than reta for everything as far as storage. Or at the very minimum, has a much longer track record.

Reta doesn't even recon well in saline BAC. It can get cloudy enough to be trashed immediately. So that was my first clue that reta may not be as stable as tirz.

 

[Calm Logic]

It's another reminder to ideally use something with insulation like Hydrapeak or Thermos for long-term freezer storage. I use both brands. I get some Thermos stuff from Goodwill, like their soup containers for freezing.

 

[HereKittyKitty]

It's another reminder to ideally use something with insulation Hydrapeak or Thermos for long-term freezer storage. I use both brands. I get some Thermos stuff from Goodwill, like their soup containers for freezing.

Do you just stack the vials in there or is that an insert too?

 

[Calm Logic]

Based on who's research? How can there be any 10 year research for peps that only been around for a couple years on most glp1's? So I will not take your unscientific nonsense as gospel.

You never liked anything I ever said in this forum. And you have tried to pick a fight with others too, including Bee.

With people interested in R140 and people always worried about supply issues, I think it's a good time to mention that reta may at least require insulation for 10-year storage.

 

[CNCCurrency]

You never liked anything I ever said in this forum. And you have tried to pick a fight with others too, including Bee.

With people interested in R140, I think it's a good time to mention that reta may at least require insulation for storage.

Did Ai tell you that about me?

 

[Calm Logic]

So nothing constructive to say about long-term storage? Just that I'm wrong, as always?

I didn't vouch for what AI said. I used it for relative comparison, saying tirz seems better for storage than reta, as others have said before.

Is anyone actually saying that reta stores same or better than tirz or sema?

 

[CNCCurrency]

So nothing constructive to say about long-term storage? Just that I'm wrong, as always?

I didn't vouch for what AI said. I used it for relative comparison.

So is anyone actually agreeing that reta stores same or better than tirz or sema?

Well then, Peter Magic founder of Jano has stated about this in the past. Something Like he a had a 10 year old kit of hgh sitting on the shelf for ten years and when he tested it had out of like a 11 iu vial it had 10 1/2 iu still. So there's that. Now you show me any proof to your 10 years claim on glp1's. I'll wait

 

[byefatlicia]

You never liked anything I ever said in this forum

I for one am very appreciative of your contributions on this forum. I've learned so much from you and many others here🙂

This got me thinking. About just how much expertise we gain from our daily deep dives into the combined knowledge and experiences from the group.
Personally, I can truly say, I am more of an expert than my PCP. I don't have a degree. But I have studied a great deal more about these things than He has and it's obvious when having the conversation.

 

[Calm Logic]

Regarding insulation, etc:

Maybe overkill, but why not?

I have read several sources that freeze/thaw cycles degrade the peps. Obviously, the freeze/thaw cycle in a frost free freezer adds to this but the temp swing in a small freezer (even manual defrost) are pretty big, Just opening the door and adding room temp products will bring the temp well above zero. With the thermos my peps stay at exactly -8.7 degrees over a 24 hour period. The desiccant packs keep the relative humidity at 6.7-6.8%. This $35 investment is a pretty low cost insurance policy.

Short term <1 year - room temp is fine, many store at room temp longer
1-3 years - refrigerator
3-5 years - negative 20C freezer
5 years - negative 80C freezer

There is debate on the big testing server whether the typical household freezer provides any better results than just storing in the fridge.

I personally store almost all of my lyophilized peps in an insulated storage container in a -20C manual defrost freezer. ($200 Amazon special)

 

[Gwynhwyfar]

Do you just stack the vials in there or is that an insert too?

You can print them with a 3-D Printer for that purpose

 

[Calm Logic]

Yeah, for the HydraPeak, I use the inserts.

For the cheap Thermos food jars from Goodwill, I can put one or two full kits inside, including the kit containers. But some are too small for that.

 

[randompersonrandom]

I don't even bother with inserts. I put the vials in, facing up, label the inside of the container, the outside on the side, and the top. The labels say what's in it and what color the caps are; and I don't keep two different things with the same color cap in one container. My COA's are in a drive that says what color thermos they're in. And everything that I expect it will be years before I use regularly (like all but one container of my tirz and all of my reta) is in the bottom of the chest freezer.

 

[Dos-Dox]

Did Ai tell you that about me?

Why are you so belligerent to people who are genuinely trying to contribute to this forum for the benefit of others? The fact that tirz is more robust than reta has been proven through a series of laboratory testing under various conditions, including the freeze/that testing that was commissioned I think by PTDS, but I can’t remember for sure.

If you enjoy trolling people, go hang out on Reddit as that’s more the vibe here. You’ve already been asked to stop antagonizing by others before, but that’s apparently not enough for you to reevaluate how you interact with people here and how you “contribute” to the forum. Most of us simply scroll past your posts when you’re on a roll, but enough’s enough.

 

[Chili777]

Why are you so belligerent to people who are genuinely trying to contribute to this forum for the benefit of others? The fact that tirz is more robust than reta has been proven through a series of laboratory testing under various conditions, including the freeze/that testing that was commissioned I think by PTDS, but I can’t remember for sure.

If you enjoy trolling people, go hang out on Reddit as that’s more the vibe here. You’ve already been asked to stop antagonizing by others before, but that’s apparently not enough for you to reevaluate how you interact with people here and how you “contribute” to the forum. Most of us simply scroll past your posts when you’re on a roll, but enough’s enough.

There is one only member I have ignored because I got tired of seeing all the put-downs. Postings are an imperfect medium, as emotion is open to interpretation, but I saw enough to make no mistake.

 

[CNCCurrency]

Why are you so belligerent to people who are genuinely trying to contribute to this forum for the benefit of others? The fact that tirz is more robust than reta has been proven through a series of laboratory testing under various conditions, including the freeze/that testing that was commissioned I think by PTDS, but I can’t remember for sure.

If you enjoy trolling people, go hang out on Reddit as that’s more the vibe here. You’ve already been asked to stop antagonizing by others before, but that’s apparently not enough for you to reevaluate how you interact with people here and how you “contribute” to the forum. Most of us simply scroll past your posts when you’re on a roll, but enough’s enough.

 

[CNCCurrency]

Why are you so belligerent to people who are genuinely trying to contribute to this forum for the benefit of others? The fact that tirz is more robust than reta has been proven through a series of laboratory testing under various conditions, including the freeze/that testing that was commissioned I think by PTDS, but I can’t remember for sure.

If you enjoy trolling people, go hang out on Reddit as that’s more the vibe here. You’ve already been asked to stop antagonizing by others before, but that’s apparently not enough for you to reevaluate how you interact with people here and how you “contribute” to the forum. Most of us simply scroll past your posts when you’re on a roll, but enough’s enough.

So questioning someone who posted a chart showing degradation of items over 10 years of storage that have not been in existence for no where near that is belligerent? Good to know! So maybe that content should be on Redditt? That's probably were ai sourced it from. Getting others to believe it and follow that advise blindly and possible change there storing or purchases based on it is ok? I guess we now live in a society where everyone just reads something and because Ai spit it out it should not be questioned? Again good to know

 

[toologic]

For those into GBs, WilldWhite on TG is looking exciting again. GB for T120 going on for $200 (half kit for $105). "Testing for M&P, LCMS, Endo included. MOQ 200."

Next month they are having a GB for R100 for $290 (and $10 "testing donation" per order).

Different vendors this time since Uther supposedly can't produce enough for GB groups in the future.

I'm not finding a contact or group with that name in it. What is the group name? Thanks

 

[ktg123]

For those into GBs, WilldWhite on TG is looking exciting again. GB for T120 going on for $200 (half kit for $105). "Testing for M&P, LCMS, Endo included. MOQ 200."

Next month they are having a GB for R100 for $290 (and $10 "testing donation" per order).

Different vendors this time since Uther supposedly can't produce enough for GB groups in the future.

Got a link?

 

[Calm Logic]

Got a link?

Most people get invites by DMing on TG. There is a whole culture around it.

Posting such links is against the forum rules as is asking ("link begging").

 

[Chili777]

Most people get invites by DMing on TG. There is a whole culture around it.

Posting such links is against the forum rules as is asking ("link begging").

Or even searching STG will find links in most cases. Think outside the box.

 

[foffspam111]

Yes...you have to send an email using the Uther email for wholesalers. Minimum purchase is 800. COAs everything and decent prices, except GLPs...for some reason his GLPs are expensive.

He has 40mg vials of BPC for 175 which I like since I'm pinning my horses,
*if anyone knows of a cheaper source, most appreciate a heads up.

40mg of Bpc for 175! Must have missed that or I would have ordered. I just ordered 20mg kits for 105. Nvm, I remember now why I didn’t. Everything else was way more expensive compared to where I ordered. But next time I need all BPC I’ll throw 800 at it for sure

 

[Calm Logic]

WW is running a GB for April and it includes R140 for $320. Yes, R140 kits for $320. My hoarding impulse is pulsing, but I can't justify it no matter how hard I want to.

I will probably go with another slow, traditional GB for R60 for $215+ (with a different group) since R140 is just too crazy for me.

 

[CandyCap]

I will probably go with another slow, traditional GB for R60 for $215+ (with a different group) since R140 is just too crazy for me.

I just saw a GB open this morning for $155🦞 R40.

 

[desinr-gal]

Reta doesn't even recon well in saline BAC. It can get cloudy enough to be trashed immediately. So that was my first clue that reta may not be as stable as tirz.

That hasn't happened to me..

 

[randompersonrandom]

I will probably go with another slow, traditional GB for R60 for $215+ (with a different group) since R140 is just too crazy for me.

Goddamnit it, @Calm Logic , I'm gonna put you on ignore pretty soon. I have no desire to go play what-if with every GB outfit on Telegram, but every time you mention a GB outfit, I'm like "No, GB's are too slow" at first; but then it eats at me, eventually I go join them, and now I'm half addicted to them. You know the one I favor the most (even though I posit that's a vendor, but one I trust enough to order my mom's KLOW from), then I took another of your rec's to get my epitalon, and now the R140 I making me think about how much faster I could build my hoard so maybe I go play in a third one....

 

[gimmeshelter]

Saw this on another site. Is it true? (Reta)
20mg x30 vials = 600mg
450$ / 600mg = 0.75$/ mg ( you can get better price than that, just need to search more )

can you honestly get much lower than that? I paid more but was ok w it, not much more, 1.2 per mg.