Reta + KLOW? Asking questions, needing answers.

[Shromo]

Good morning, afternoon, or evening to everyone on here!
I hope you're all doing well.
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I'm creating this post to ask about a couple things, so I'll get right to it. I've been on Reta for 2 weeks (2MG per week split into 1MG doses) and I'm doing great. Outside of that, I wanted to incorporate something else into my stack. I was thinking of KLOW, and wanted opinions on mixing the two, how to dose it, what to expect, etc.

My metrics are:
21 y/o
240 LBS (goal 200)
5'11

Overall, I just wanted more information on combining the two, and if it was worth incorporating into my stack with the Reta. A vendor I'm looking at is having a good sale on a kit, so any/all advice is certainly appreciated. Thank you guys so much in advance for the help. Have a wonderful day/night.

 

[hexagonal]

What are you wanting to get out of the KLOW?

The GLP-1s are at least proven to fairly-well-proven-in-ongoing-trials medications. I would not recommend adding random peptides just for the sake of having a larger stack. There are various levels of risk for every additional thing you add to your list of injections. Everything you add should have a clear and specific purpose in your mind to help you achieve a specific goal - you need this to evaluate if the risk of adding these unproven compounds to your body is worth it.

I use KLOW sometimes and like it. I specifically use it for injury recovery, and do not stay on it outside of that. The mix of healing related effects from angiogenesis, VEGF, etc., as well as anti-inflimmation effects, help when I overdo it in the gym or otherwise hurt myself. When those injuries are healed up, I stop, because then the risks outweigh the benefits for me.

 

[Shromo]

What are you wanting to get out of the KLOW?

The GLP-1s are at least proven to fairly-well-proven-in-ongoing-trials medications. I would not recommend adding random peptides just for the sake of having a larger stack. There are various levels of risk for every additional thing you add to your list of injections. Everything you add should have a clear and specific purpose in your mind to help you achieve a specific goal - you need this to evaluate if the risk of adding these unproven compounds to your body is worth it.

I use KLOW sometimes and like it. I specifically use it for injury recovery, and do not stay on it outside of that. The mix of healing related effects from angiogenesis, VEGF, etc., as well as anti-inflimmation effects, help when I overdo it in the gym or otherwise hurt myself. When those injuries are healed up, I stop, because then the risks outweigh the benefits for me.

Very well said. Allow me to explain my goals in a much clearer context.

I work out 5 days a week, and 7 days of the week, I do fasted cardio. I weight train pretty heavy and eat very clean, high protein, etc. I suppose what I'm getting at is, I want a peptide to add onto my stack that'll benefit me with my workout journey, and not mess me up in the short/long run. I want something performance-enhancing (per se) that'll induce greater muscle mass while losing fat. I don't want something that'll mess me up long term or could have adverse effects on certain things.

My main goal is to reach 200 LBS, under 15% body fat, and very muscular. I'm already rather muscular but still have a fair bit of fat. Please, recommend a peptide that would match that criteria, if there is one. I greatly appreciate your and anyone elses help on this matter. All love 😀

 

[randompersonrandom]

What are you wanting to get out of the KLOW?

The GLP-1s are at least proven to fairly-well-proven-in-ongoing-trials medications. I would not recommend adding random peptides just for the sake of having a larger stack. There are various levels of risk for every additional thing you add to your list of injections. Everything you add should have a clear and specific purpose in your mind to help you achieve a specific goal - you need this to evaluate if the risk of adding these unproven compounds to your body is worth it.

I use KLOW sometimes and like it. I specifically use it for injury recovery, and do not stay on it outside of that. The mix of healing related effects from angiogenesis, VEGF, etc., as well as anti-inflimmation effects, help when I overdo it in the gym or otherwise hurt myself. When those injuries are healed up, I stop, because then the risks outweigh the benefits for me.

is it the cancer risks that spook you? I'm on day six of it because I want it for my skin, but I'm troubled by that.

 

[Shromo]

is it the cancer risks that spook you? I'm on day six of it because I want it for my skin, but I'm troubled by that.

Cancer risks?!

 

[BooneDonk]

Cancer risks?!

If y’all haven’t figured that out by now, keep reading please.

 

[Airborne Daddy]

What are you wanting to get out of the KLOW?

The GLP-1s are at least proven to fairly-well-proven-in-ongoing-trials medications. I would not recommend adding random peptides just for the sake of having a larger stack. There are various levels of risk for every additional thing you add to your list of injections. Everything you add should have a clear and specific purpose in your mind to help you achieve a specific goal - you need this to evaluate if the risk of adding these unproven compounds to your body is worth it.

I use KLOW sometimes and like it. I specifically use it for injury recovery, and do not stay on it outside of that. The mix of healing related effects from angiogenesis, VEGF, etc., as well as anti-inflimmation effects, help when I overdo it in the gym or otherwise hurt myself. When those injuries are healed up, I stop, because then the risks outweigh the benefits for me.

1000 likes.....

 

[Shromo]

If y’all haven’t figured that out by now, keep reading please.

I'm just looking for more information in regards to what I commented about a bit higher up in this thread. Sorry if I seem ignorant.

 

[BooneDonk]

I'm just looking for more information in regards to what I commented about a bit higher up in this thread. Sorry if I seem ignorant.

I cast no shade, but BPC-157 has an increased risk for cancer much like HGH. Growing our cells has no differentiation between tumors and desirable attributes. Hence the cancer risk.

 

[Shromo]

I cast no shade, but BPC-157 has an increased risk for cancer much like HGH. Growing our cells has no differentiation between tumors and desirable attributes. Hence the cancer risk.

Heard. I didn't know if you were referring to the whole blend, or just BPC. I take BPC orally, and know about the angiogenesis. I appreciate that.

 

[randompersonrandom]

I see I opened a can of worms there, though I'm definitely not sorry cause I'm glad someone got to read something new to consider.

For me...on the one hand, I smoke, and I'm not ready to quit yet, which means I don't need to be doing ANYTHING to increase my risk of cancer. On the other hand, I smoke and I'm not ready to quit, so clearly increased cancer risk is something I can be ok with under certain circumstances. So I'm kind of torn.

 

[BooneDonk]

I see I opened a can of worms there, though I'm definitely not sorry cause I'm glad someone got to read something new to consider.

For me...on the one hand, I smoke, and I'm not ready to quit yet, which means I don't need to be doing ANYTHING to increase my risk of cancer. On the other hand, I smoke and I'm not ready to quit, so clearly increased cancer risk is something I can be ok with under certain circumstances. So I'm kind of torn.

I quit smoking at 17 when I moved out of my folks house and nicotine all together at 40 when my teenage son was vaping. Copenhagen was a fine product for too long. If I can quit, anyone can. Risk is risk, we all get in on it.

 

[randompersonrandom]

I quit smoking at 17 when I moved out of my folks house and nicotine all together at 40 when my teenage son was vaping. Copenhagen was a fine product for too long. If I can quit, anyone can. Risk is risk, we all get in on it.

Congrats on getting off of it, it's an absolutely BRUTAL drug to quit. I know the time is coming when it stops being "something I really need to stop soon" and becomes either "something I need to stop RIGHT NOW because I now have a health issue that means time is UP," or "something I needed to stop doing but didn't, and now it's too late." I'm hoping to get to a place where I'm ready before either of those hit.

 

[BooneDonk]

Congrats on getting off of it, it's an absolutely BRUTAL drug to quit. I know the time is coming when it stops being "something I really need to stop soon" and becomes either "something I need to stop RIGHT NOW because I now have a health issue that means time is UP," or "something I needed to stop doing but didn't, and now it's too late." I'm hoping to get to a place where I'm ready before either of those hit.

Completely personal, but I asked what it added to my life? If it was just for me, others are more important in my life. Not minimizing my needs/wants, but letting others needs come first. My kids were 15 and 13 when I quit snuff. I want a dip now! The feeling of fighting that off is greater than what Copenhagen gave me. Alas, done with snuff.

And, scene.

 

[hexagonal]

Very well said. Allow me to explain my goals in a much clearer context.

I work out 5 days a week, and 7 days of the week, I do fasted cardio. I weight train pretty heavy and eat very clean, high protein, etc. I suppose what I'm getting at is, I want a peptide to add onto my stack that'll benefit me with my workout journey, and not mess me up in the short/long run. I want something performance-enhancing (per se) that'll induce greater muscle mass while losing fat. I don't want something that'll mess me up long term or could have adverse effects on certain things.

My main goal is to reach 200 LBS, under 15% body fat, and very muscular. I'm already rather muscular but still have a fair bit of fat. Please, recommend a peptide that would match that criteria, if there is one. I greatly appreciate your and anyone elses help on this matter. All love 😀

Fellow lifter!

I do not believe there is significant benefit to increasing muscle mass through KLOW outside of helping with injuries. Originally following a lot of the "protocols" out there I had zero benefit from BPC/TB, but moving up to 1mg/day for them I did see help with some tendon overuse issues.

All of the things that we have available to us at current for increasing muscle mass have risks. Peptide-wise there are the GH secretagogues and HGH, and both have similar risks when at similar IGF-1 levels. Steroids obviously have a variety of risks, but are the most effective for muscle growth.

is it the cancer risks that spook you? I'm on day six of it because I want it for my skin, but I'm troubled by that.

Yep.

Cancer risks?!

Both BPC-157 and TB-500 promote angiogenesis, and TB-4 (and thus likely TB-500) has specific risks around metastisizing cancer. Angiogenesis will increase tumor growth rates.

It's not that there are necessarily concerns that KLOW will cause cancer, but that if you have it it will increase the progression rate significantly and increase the risk of spread to the rest of the body.

 

[Humphries365]

Good morning, afternoon, or evening to everyone on here!
I hope you're all doing well.
​

I'm creating this post to ask about a couple things, so I'll get right to it. I've been on Reta for 2 weeks (2MG per week split into 1MG doses) and I'm doing great. Outside of that, I wanted to incorporate something else into my stack. I was thinking of KLOW, and wanted opinions on mixing the two, how to dose it, what to expect, etc.

My metrics are:
21 y/o
240 LBS (goal 200)
5'11

Overall, I just wanted more information on combining the two, and if it was worth incorporating into my stack with the Reta. A vendor I'm looking at is having a good sale on a kit, so any/all advice is certainly appreciated. Thank you guys so much in advance for the help. Have a wonderful day/night.

Ive been running Reta for the past six months and the KLOW 80 for the past few weeks,and have had some amazing results, I was never overweight and has always been very lean.I compete and used the reta for a 16 prep before stepping on stage, It was the easiest competition prep I have ever done, It enabled me to keep calories very high (over 3000 the week of British finals) and there was zero cardio the whole of the prep (usually 1 hour a day).I train everyday with 5 heavy sessions and 2 days of just core work, I also cycle 15k per day I have been running the Klow 80 for the past couple of weeks and feeling great since and not stopping anytime soon not, hoping to do at least 6 months of KLOW everyday😊 I have two herniated discs in my back from 20 years of heavy training and constantly in pain, Tendon issues and plenty of aches and pains but for 47 i'm not complaining 🤣While the back pain is still there its 80% less, tendon problems is all but gone and i'm just feeling so much better. Reta and Klow 👌

 

[Rejuvenateme000!]

Interesting thread. It is important to know what your body needs and find the peptides that will help you. As far as the cancer from my understanding. (which I am a novice) will possibly grow cancer cells that are already potentially there. There are so many everyday things we use that have that potential. i.e bath and body works candles, room sprays, covid vaccine (maybe). -_-
other rx’d medications.
From my learning I believe cjc and impamorein but I’m sure there are others. What I did first was glp1, then I googled a list of peptides and their functions and thought about what I wanted to fix/help/heal first. I was already on tirz, I chose KLOW, and NAD. I knew I needed energy and I needed to heal some areas. At first NAD gave me this boost, but I haven’t felt it lately. I start out very low. I saw someone said start with .5.
I saw on another post Calm Logic mentioned low dose naltrexone for alcohol. Naltrexone can be used for tobacco cessation as well. I am trying to figure out how to introduce someone I love to trying it for the vaping and alcohol addiction without coming off judgy.

 

[randompersonrandom]

I am trying to figure out how to introduce someone I love to trying it for the vaping and alcohol addiction without coming off judgy.

I kinda feel like the judgy/not judgy differentiation is wholly dependent on the answer to the question "Have they already told you that they want to stop?" Because if they have, then it's "Hey, I know you mentioned wanting to stop, and there's a thing I've been reading about" and there's no judgy. If they have NOT, then it falls into "unsolicited advice is criticism."

 

[Ted R]

I cast no shade, but BPC-157 has an increased risk for cancer much like HGH. Growing our cells has no differentiation between tumors and desirable attributes. Hence the cancer risk.

You are confusing the fact that because of the angiogenesis effect, BPC can FEED cancer, not causing it. Indications are that if you already HAVE CANCER, BPC CAN feed it, but no definite indications at this point that BPC CAUSES cancer.

 

[BooneDonk]

You are confusing the fact that because of the angiogenesis effect, BPC can FEED cancer, not causing it. Indications are that if you already HAVE CANCER, BPC CAN feed it, but no definite indications at this point that BPC CAUSES cancer.

👌

 

[Calm Logic]

On the "positive" side, growth even from HGH doesn't seem to affect lung cancer as much as prostate, breast, and colon cancer.

And some researchers (like the late Dr. John McDougall) swear by the studies that a low-fat diet is not only strongly correlated with less cancer, of various types, but is the best way to prevent and even treat cancer. But McDougall, who did his own cancer diet studies, would think taking anything to increase IGF-1 is crazy (even dairy).

 

[MsGizmo]

Good morning, afternoon, or evening to everyone on here!
I hope you're all doing well.
​

I'm creating this post to ask about a couple things, so I'll get right to it. I've been on Reta for 2 weeks (2MG per week split into 1MG doses) and I'm doing great. Outside of that, I wanted to incorporate something else into my stack. I was thinking of KLOW, and wanted opinions on mixing the two, how to dose it, what to expect, etc.

Well, that would be very close to what I'm doing except instead of 1mg of reta twice a week, I take 1mg of both sema and reta. I also take 2.5mg of KLOW a day 5 days a week. I did add everything gradually. I started with the sema, titrating according to standard practice. Then added the KLOW. Finally I added the reta 3 weeks ago.

My schedule is:
Sun - Sema 1mg, KLOW 2.5mg
Mon- KLOW 2.5mg
Tue - KLOW 2.5mg
Wed- Reta 1.mg, KLOW 2.5mg
Thu - KLOW 2.5mg
Fri - Nothing
Sat - Nothing

I'm quite happy with this. I have lost 30 pounds in 4 months, my back pain is gone and my knees hurt less. That being said I have only recently finished my first vial of KLOW and I'm not sure if I will just jump into another one right away. I might take a week long break first. Also of note I am very overweight and in my 50s. Healing is probably a bit more of an issue than someone who is 21. But I don't know what you have going on either .. you choose.

 

[MsGizmo]

Cancer risks?!

Yes. All that good healing stuff can be used by any cancer cells you might have. I don't think KLOW CAUSES the cancer though .. it just helps what you might already have grow faster.

 

[MsGizmo]

Congrats on getting off of it, it's an absolutely BRUTAL drug to quit. I know the time is coming when it stops being "something I really need to stop soon" and becomes either "something I need to stop RIGHT NOW because I now have a health issue that means time is UP," or "something I needed to stop doing but didn't, and now it's too late." I'm hoping to get to a place where I'm ready before either of those hit.

Yeah, I was able to quit back in 2010. I ended up gaining a bunch of weight doing it but it was worth it. If only I had all the stuff we have now back then ... sigh.

 

[Shromo]

Well, that would be very close to what I'm doing except instead of 1mg of reta twice a week, I take 1mg of both sema and reta. I also take 2.5mg of KLOW a day 5 days a week. I did add everything gradually. I started with the sema, titrating according to standard practice. Then added the KLOW. Finally I added the reta 3 weeks ago.

My schedule is:
Sun - Sema 1mg, KLOW 2.5mg
Mon- KLOW 2.5mg
Tue - KLOW 2.5mg
Wed- Reta 1.mg, KLOW 2.5mg
Thu - KLOW 2.5mg
Fri - Nothing
Sat - Nothing

I'm quite happy with this. I have lost 30 pounds in 4 months, my back pain is gone and my knees hurt less. That being said I have only recently finished my first vial of KLOW and I'm not sure if I will just jump into another one right away. I might take a week long break first. Also of note I am very overweight and in my 50s. Healing is probably a bit more of an issue than someone who is 21. But I don't know what you have going on either .. you choose.

Thank you very, very much for the detailed reply. That seems like a good schedule and I'm real happy it's working for you ma'am! I've been thinking about what I "need", and it's honestly to build more lean muscle mass while losing this fat. I'm already muscular as mentioned but want to find something that'll do the trick, that I can combine with the Reta. Anyway, thanks again, and I wish you the best of luck!

 

[Shromo]

Would you recommend HGH to someone of my caliber? I've heard a couple things about it, but as I wrote above, really want something that'll be paired well with Reta and increase my strength, etc.

 

[Calm Logic]

You fit the bro profile by going to the gym and taking reta, so why not? (jk)

As @hexagonal said earlier, there is a risk profile to be aware of, and it is not just cancer. There are also potential heart issues with above-normal IGF-1 levels, especially from long-term use of higher doses of HGH. In general, growth is like the opposite of longevity, which is why larger mammals don't live as long.

On the positive side, Dr. William Seeds (a peptide Jesus who is a medical doctor) is all for GH peptides like ipa, cjc, and tesa, since he is more focused on quality than longevity per se. He is not a fan of HGH, but that is partly related to its legal status.

As far as muscle growth/strength, test would do way more than HGH or other GH peptides, as said before. But GH can help more with recovery of tendons and ligaments, synthesis of collagen, etc. So to me it is a peanut butter and jelly situation -- I want both. But compared to GH peptides, the ingredients in GLOW or KLOW (with KPV) seem less risky for recovery.

Personally, I am planning to try tesa next instead, mostly for "shits and giggles." And it's hard to know how much HGH has helped on its own since I am a newbie and had also started AAS.

For monitoring, I plan to get an echocardiogram in a couple years, and I do labwork through Fitomics, in addition to the annual labs from primary care. With the Kardia Mobile EKG, my heart always seems great, but Kardia Mobile is not as good as a 12-lead EKG and an echocardiogram. Calcium scoring is another to-do for me.

 

[desinr-gal]

The Tirz all but eliminated my desire for alcohol. Its been almost 5 months since I had a drink.
I'm hoping that skipping alcohol; also a known cancer causing agent.. will balance out my risk of taking KLOW..

 

[Shromo]

You fit the bro profile by going to the gym and taking reta, so why not? (jk)

As @hexagonal said earlier, there is a risk profile to be aware of, and it is not just cancer. There are also potential heart issues with above-normal IGF-1 levels, especially from long-term use of higher doses of HGH. In general, growth is like the opposite of longevity, which is why larger mammals don't live as long.

On the positive side, Dr. William Seeds (a peptide Jesus who is a medical doctor) is all for GH peptides like ipa, cjc, and tesa, since he is more focused on quality than longevity per se. He is not a fan of HGH, but that is partly related to its legal status.

As far as muscle growth/strength, test would do way more than HGH or other GH peptides, as said before. But GH can help more with recovery of tendons and ligaments, synthesis of collagen, etc. So to me it is a peanut butter and jelly situation -- I want both. But compared to GH peptides, the ingredients in GLOW or KLOW (with KPV) seem less risky for recovery.

Personally, I am planning to try tesa next instead, mostly for "shits and giggles." And it's hard to know how much HGH has helped on its own since I am a newbie and had also started AAS.

For monitoring, I plan to get an echocardiogram in a couple years, and I do labwork through Fitomics, in addition to the annual labs from primary care. With the Kardia Mobile EKG, my heart always seems great, but Kardia Mobile is not as good as a 12-lead EKG and an echocardiogram. Calcium scoring is another to-do for me.

Very, very useful info my friend. Thank you.

What're your personal thoughts on CJC/IPA and/or CJC w/DAC?

 

[Calm Logic]

What're your personal thoughts on CJC/IPA and/or CJC w/DAC?

Whatever the reasons are, CJC is not trending compared to tesa. And, of course, for the bros, HGH is way more popular than anything else in the GH department.