Switching to Serile Inj Water

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Has anyone switched to single-use sterile inj water with the growing shortage of BAC water? I know there is a YT video going about saying it's fine? Just wondering what the general consensus is?

Sterile inj water is so easy to get for free in the UK!!
 
Yes, I was going to try it with Pine, it's only a 10-day cycle, every 4 months, so it would make the ideal experiment.
 
woolyg said:
with the growing shortage of BAC
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We will never fully run out of Hospira at "relatively" affordable prices, IMHO. I have over a case worth now though, to keep flexibility with pricing.

Other options include well-tested BAC or DIY BAC. But considering some Nazis used benzyl alcohol for killing people, I'm not excited about DIY.
 
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Over here it's near-on impossible at the moment to get Hospira Bac. I did consider adding the benzyl alcohol to my Sterile water, but you are just adding more risk.
 
I reconstitute the 5amq with sterile water (I did it again this afternoon). I’ve switched to 0.9% NaCl (without BA, Braun brand, €10 for 20x 10ml ampoules) for ss31, MOTS-c, and GHK-Cu: anything that causes reactions due to hypotonicity.

I still have plenty of BA water left, enough to last a year, so I'm sticking with that for Tirz, Reta, and KPV.
I don't use NaCl solo in the multi-dose vials, only in the pens, for a week or two.
 
Apparently, Pine and Sterile water may cause hypotonicity when mixed together.
Might be a risk trying that then, hmmmm.
There is certainly a risk in using local Bac.
I have noticed quite a few people switching to NaCl now.
 
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woolyg said:
Has anyone switched to single-use sterile inj water with the growing shortage of BAC water? I know there is a YT video going about saying it's fine? Just wondering what the general consensus is?

Sterile inj water is so easy to get for free in the UK!!
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I’ve used Reta with sterile water for 3 weeks without issues. Just got to use sterile practice.
 
woolyg said:
Has anyone switched to single-use sterile inj water with the growing shortage of BAC water? I know there is a YT video going about saying it's fine? Just wondering what the general consensus is?

Sterile inj water is so easy to get for free in the UK!!
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In my research of this it recommends sterile over bac for certain peps because benzoyl affects some negatively. It seemed to allure sterile is good suff.
 
If Hospira got too spendy or hard to get I would give Lambda a try before switching to something else.
 
Yes, it seems strange, in the UK, nobody in the medical profession uses BAC water at all. Would anybody consider using Genetek water? For me, with my Pine the choice is grey Bac, Sterile, DIY BAC or Genetek.
 
woolyg said:
Over here it's near-on impossible at the moment to get Hospira Bac. I did consider adding the benzyl alcohol to my Sterile water, but you are just adding more risk.
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Why do you think that? What is the problem, If you buy your benzyl alcohol from a Laboratory equipment supplier and order specific Benzyl alcohol for injections? How sterile you can mix it or amount you use can be an issue, if you don't know what you are doing.
 
I read that bac water was banned in European hospitals after babies died after being injected with it. That's why it has 'Not For Use In Neonates' on the front of Hospira. They use WFI single use vials in hospitals in the UK and EU I believe.

Genetek bac has tested well and costs pennies, but come in single use plastic vials. But it's so cheap that doesn't really matter. I ordered 50 for 50p each in the UK which took a couple of days and is waiting for me to pick it up from a locker. You can get it even cheaper from India Mart, but you'll have a couple of weeks wait for delivery.

ETA.
I've also bought WFI in 50ml glass vials from Germany and made my own bac with benzyl alcohol. It's very easy. I figure I have enough bac water now to last me until the apocalypse.
 
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What I don't understand is, if diy Bac was so easy, as it appears to be, why is the grey Bac so poor? I can get lab BA no problem, and I know the safety & maths involved.
 
woolyg said:
What I don't understand is, if diy Bac was so easy, as it appears to be, why is the grey Bac so poor? I can get lab BA no problem, and I know the safety & maths involved.
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Multiple reasons:
Incorrect BA% (some have tested at 0%).
Failed sterility.
Wrong ph.
Who knows what water they're using to make it.
But most of all, there's very little profit in it, if any, so little incentive to produce decent quality bac water.
 
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woolyg said:
What I don't understand is, if diy Bac was so easy, as it appears to be, why is the grey Bac so poor? I can get lab BA no problem, and I know the safety & maths involved.
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It comes down to a couple of things really even though its a simple recipe.

1. Using USP Sterile water and Benzo. If the ingredients aren't perfect then no preparation based on them is going to be. You can't just combine tap water and Alcohol. Sterilising water isn't theoretically hard its an understood process but in practice it requires sterility at every stage of creation and in the final product until its all sealed up.

2. The same is true for combing sterile water and benzo, you need the environment to do it in that is also sterile. The final product has to get into sterilised containers that are properly sealed. The air contains bacteria and fungi and every surface has these on. Its meticulous work to get and maintain a sterile environment and sterile air involves quite a bit of equipment.

This is why its hard than it first appears, its not just combining the components in the right ratio, its doing so without introducing to air or anything not sterile along the way or putting it into something that also isn't sterile. Just buy the Hospira its not expensive compared to everything else.
 
Calm Logic said:
We will never fully run out of Hospira at "relatively" affordable prices, IMHO. I have over a case worth now though, to keep flexibility with pricing.

Other options include well-tested BAC or DIY BAC. But considering some Nazis used benzyl alcohol for killing people, I'm not excited about DIY.
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Outside the US, bacteriostatic water in general, not just Hospira, is not commonly available in many parts of the world, even through hospitals.

As for the claim about benzyl alcohol: BA is a preservative and solvent. Of course it can be toxic at high doses, but so can almost anything. That’s why we say the poison is in the dose. Using historical misuse as an argument against BA is basically like saying you won’t use saline because salt has been used in torture.

woolyg said:
Has anyone switched to single-use sterile inj water with the growing shortage of BAC water? I know there is a YT video going about saying it's fine? Just wondering what the general consensus is?

Sterile inj water is so easy to get for free in the UK!!
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I’ve used, and still use, sterile injection water. I filter my peps and try to use everything within a 2~4 week window. If I know I’ll be using something for longer, and it isn’t especially pH-sensitive, I’ll add USP benzyl alcohol at 1%.

I do have some Hospira and vendor BAC water around as well, but I don’t reach for them often. I’m glad they’re available to me, but I don’t take them for granted, and I don’t see them as absolutely necessary.

I wasn’t aware that sterile injection water was available for free in the UK. I wish I’d known that when I lived there; definitely take advantage of it.
 
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I assume the Indian BAC by Ocean Pharma is still testing well:

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Some people in the UK/Europe were able to get Hospira from Canada, barring customs. Some people in the US too from Canada, if not seized. The problem now is the usual Canadian source is not currently taking pre-orders. But there are usually more sources than most people know, including in one's own country and potential peptide friends.
 
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BrightCandle said:
It comes down to a couple of things really even though its a simple recipe.

1. Using USP Sterile water and Benzo. If the ingredients aren't perfect then no preparation based on them is going to be. You can't just combine tap water and Alcohol. Sterilising water isn't theoretically hard its an understood process but in practice it requires sterility at every stage of creation and in the final product until its all sealed up.

2. The same is true for combing sterile water and benzo, you need the environment to do it in that is also sterile. The final product has to get into sterilised containers that are properly sealed. The air contains bacteria and fungi and every surface has these on. Its meticulous work to get and maintain a sterile environment and sterile air involves quite a bit of equipment.

This is why its hard than it first appears, its not just combining the components in the right ratio, its doing so without introducing to air or anything not sterile along the way or putting it into something that also isn't sterile. Just buy the Hospira its not expensive compared to everything else.
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Does make you wonder how many people make diy BAC but would still fail if tested; my guess is quite a few.
 
Calm Logic said:
Some people in the UK/Europe were able to get Hospira from Canada, barring customs. Some people in the US too from Canada, if not seized. The problem now is the usual Canadian source is not currently taking pre-orders. But there are usually more sources than most people know, including in one's own country and potential peptide friends.
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I’m not sure if you’ve actually tried to source Hospira from Europe or anywhere in Asia, but it really is not that easy or accessible.

And through “peptide friends”? Peptides are still an extremely niche corner of the internet in most non-English-speaking countries. There usually isn’t some random local Telegram guy you can casually hit up for Hospira.

Also, importing from Canada to a post-Soviet/Eastern European country is its own circus. Between shipping costs, customs charges, seizure risk, and the general administrative headache, it is simply not worth it.

Ask me how I know. Oh, I’ve actually tried.
 
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