Tesa vs CJC/ipa VS Tesa/ipa someone have tested the 3 combo?

[Galapagosfit]

Hi, im in my fitness journey and after researching all the peptides for losing fat and maintain muscles. I'm a curious about Tesa vs CJC-1295. I learned that they work on the same pathways but seems that Tesa have more evidences for reducing visceral fat. I want to see if you have some experiences to tell ?

There is a huge difference in price between the 2 and i'm also curious if the higher price of the Tesamorelin is really worth the benefice.

Also a lot of people stack cjc and ipamorelin toghether for the synergetics effect but Tesamorelin seems to not always be paired with Ipamorelin. For someone who wants to maintain the most muscles possible when going to single digit bodyfat, is someone have try all the combinations possibles of these 3 peptides and seen any differences?

 

[WeezinDaJuice]

I'm just a week into CJC1295/IPA nightly and my sleep has improved (running Epitalon too, so not sure which is helping most). Going to pivot to half doses night and morning (fasted pre-workout) in two weeks and see where it goes.

I went the CJC/IPA route primarily due to my prediabetic stage (pre-Reta). I'm looking to bump up my low IGF-1 test scores and see what the rest of my hormones look like in a couple months. Hopefully, body composition changes will tell me I'm on the right track. Good luck.

 

[Gigachad]

I'm interested in this too. Currently ordered cjc/ipa as I'm taking enclomiphene so i expect my igf1 levels to tank. Will test igf1 before starting cjc/ipa of course

 

[Galapagosfit]

I'm just a week into CJC1295/IPA nightly and my sleep has improved (running Epitalon too, so not sure which is helping most). Going to pivot to half doses night and morning (fasted pre-workout) in two weeks and see where it goes.

I went the CJC/IPA route primarily due to my prediabetic stage (pre-Reta). I'm looking to bump up my low IGF-1 test scores and see what the rest of my hormones look like in a couple months. Hopefully, body composition changes will tell me I'm on the right track. Good luck.

nice let us know after a few weeks, just the energy boost from better sleep would probably help gym sessions.

 

[Beardboost]

Depends on your goals, Tesa comes with more side effects, advanced healthy routine working out minimum 3 days per week, walking 10k steps per day, very dialled in diet, CJC is defiantly more user friendly to begin with, use Tesa when fat is 20% or below for peak changes

CJC No Dac + IPA, Main Goals: Improve metabolism and fat loss

Tesa, Main Goals: Reduce abdominal fat

 

[Galapagosfit]

Depends on your goals, Tesa comes with more side effects, advanced healthy routine working out minimum 3 days per week, walking 10k steps per day, very dialled in diet, CJC is defiantly more user friendly to begin with, use Tesa when fat is 20% or below for peak changes

CJC No Dac + IPA, Main Goals: Improve metabolism and fat loss

Tesa, Main Goals: Reduce abdominal fat

I'm approximatively 15% bodyfat right now and pretty dialed in on my gym routine and nutrition. I'm counting my calories and do between 5 and 6 gym sessions per week. my goal is between 8-10% bodyfat. Now i'm on Reta but i'm thinking about my maintenance phase after the cut when i'll go off reta.

the lower the bodyfat, the harder it get to maintain muscle mass...

 

[Beardboost]

I'm approximatively 15% bodyfat right now and pretty dialed in on my gym routine and nutrition. I'm counting my calories and do between 5 and 6 gym sessions per week. my goal is between 8-10% bodyfat. Now i'm on Reta but i'm thinking about my maintenance phase after the cut when i'll go off reta.

the lower the bodyfat, the harder it get to maintain muscle mass...

Then you are already 1 step ahead, Tesa will do wonders when everything is dialled in, and you seem to have that amazing mentality!

 

[Occindemure]

Been running GHRP-2/Tesamorelin for week or so, looking to get that last bit of fat off to hit 10% body fat, while fighting a plateau. (I store my fat in my chest and viscerally).
It is really to soon to see if anything transpires from it though.
No increased appetite from the GHRP-2, which is why I guess most people avoid it, even though it can be a bit stronger than the alternatives.
100mcg/1MG. And, titrating the Tesa. up to 2MG on Monday.

 

[Itankstuff]

I love CJC No DAC/IPA. I don't know my baseline IGF1, but I am sitting at 405, I am in my early 30's. I imagine they are more effective the younger you are as you are already going to have a reasonable GH pulse. I am also black and similar to testosterone I see the evidence suggests we tend to have strong GH signaling (seen the NBA?)

I am however curious to try HGH, namely because I have 4 kits of HGH sitting in my freezer. Not sure if it's worthwile though.

 

[Gigachad]

Then you are already 1 step ahead, Tesa will do wonders when everything is dialled in, and you seem to have that amazing mentality!

I think people underestimate the visceral fat reduction capabilities of Reta (and tirz too but to a lesser degree than reta)
Tesa is touted as this VF reducing miracle peptide when it's just been studied for such and approved by FDA for it. Heck for all we know, CJC could be better than Tesa in VF reduction but the studies are just not there.

In short, the best peptide for VF reduction is literally just taking Reta and continuing to do so

 

[Galapagosfit]

I think people underestimate the visceral fat reduction capabilities of Reta (and tirz too but to a lesser degree than reta)
Tesa is touted as this VF reducing miracle peptide when it's just been studied for such and approved by FDA for it. Heck for all we know, CJC could be better than Tesa in VF reduction but the studies are just not there.

In short, the best peptide for VF reduction is literally just taking Reta and continuing to do so

Thats why im curious about everyone experience with it. to see if someone actually compared the 2.

I think the same, we know Tesamorelin for visceral fat because he was studied for that. but maybe CJC do the same but was not studied for that purpose...

 

[Gigachad]

I love CJC No DAC/IPA. I don't know my baseline IGF1, but I am sitting at 405, I am in my early 30's. I imagine they are more effective the younger you are as you are already going to have a reasonable GH pulse. I am also black and similar to testosterone I see the evidence suggests we tend to have strong GH signaling (seen the NBA?)

I am however curious to try HGH, namely because I have 4 kits of HGH sitting in my freezer. Not sure if it's worthwile though.

Dont shut down your natural production fam. You're too young

 

[Itankstuff]

I think people underestimate the visceral fat reduction capabilities of Reta (and tirz too but to a lesser degree than reta)
Tesa is touted as this VF reducing miracle peptide when it's just been studied for such and approved by FDA for it. Heck for all we know, CJC could be better than Tesa in VF reduction but the studies are just not there.

In short, the best peptide for VF reduction is literally just taking Reta and continuing to do so

The below results are from my indirect calormetry, I am on CJC/IPA and Retatrutide. My experience has been the fact has been melting off, as you can see my body is running at 100% fat burning, meaning all my energy expenditure is purely fat. I am not doing keto or anything either.

Dont shut down your natural production fam. You're too young

I can see how curiosity killed the cat. It will bounce back anyways. I am more after the better recovery people tout.

 

[Galapagosfit]

The below results are from my indirect calormetry, I am on CJC/IPA and Retatrutide. My experience has been the fact has been melting off, as you can see my body is running at 100% fat burning, meaning all my energy expenditure is purely fat. I am not doing keto or anything either.

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I can see how curiosity killed the cat. It will bounce back anyways. I am more after the better recovery people tout.

how did you test those things about your resting metabolism and fat burning % ?

 

[Raidersilver]

how did you test those things about your resting metabolism and fat burning % ?

I to was wondering that that would be something i would do

 

[Itankstuff]

how did you test those things about your resting metabolism and fat burning % ?

I to was wondering that that would be something i would do

It's called indirect calorimetry I am sure if you do a search a sports clinic in your area will do it. You essentially blow in to a machine and uses your carbon dioxide to calculate how much energy your body is using.

 

[Itankstuff]

I made a more comprehensive post about my BMR calculation with the indirect cal, it keeps getting knocked back and won’t post as it’s being flagged as “spam”. Any admin/mods able to help me? It would be useful for a lot of people IMO.

 

[tubby]

The below results are from my indirect calormetry, I am on CJC/IPA and Retatrutide. My experience has been the fact has been melting off, as you can see my body is running at 100% fat burning, meaning all my energy expenditure is purely fat. I am not doing keto or anything either.

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I can see how curiosity killed the cat. It will bounce back anyways. I am more after the better recovery people tout.

LOL, I'd be wondering if their machine might be out of calibration or something else might be wrong there. I'd assume those results are estimated by measuring your respiratory quotient. Seems less likely that your body is metabolising 100% fat and 0% carbohydrate and more likely that their machine is screwed up.

 

[Swamp Thing]

I love CJC No DAC/IPA. I don't know my baseline IGF1, but I am sitting at 405, I am in my early 30's. I imagine they are more effective the younger you are as you are already going to have a reasonable GH pulse. I am also black and similar to testosterone I see the evidence suggests we tend to have strong GH signaling (seen the NBA?)

I am however curious to try HGH, namely because I have 4 kits of HGH sitting in my freezer. Not sure if it's worthwile though.

HGH should not be stored in freezer.

 

[Calm Logic]

HGH should not be stored in freezer.

Not a single issue at Meso with storing HGH in the freezer. The ones at Meso that are scared to freeze HGH often don’t freeze any peptides. It would probably blow their minds that some people freeze reconned tirz and even reconned reta.

I store most of my frozen lyophilized peptides in a HydraPeak or Thermos food jar. I don't have a manual defrost freezer, but using Thermos-like insulation is just as good.

The reason I prefer the freezer now for everything is for preventing bacterial growth and I never know for sure what year I will use all the vials in a kit, especially with other peptides competing for attention.

 

[Itankstuff]

LOL, I'd be wondering if their machine might be out of calibration or something else might be wrong there. I'd assume those results are estimated by measuring your respiratory quotient. Seems less likely that your body is metabolising 100% fat and 0% carbohydrate and more likely that their machine is screwed up.

The test has to be performed in a fasted state and 80% is optimal and given I had not had anything to eat in 12 hours it doesn't seem too far fetched. The place I had mine done also does the testing for professional teams for AFL (Australian sport kinda like the NFL I guess) so I trust their calibration.

The technician monitors your respiratory effort to ensure you have normal tidal volume and respiratory rate to normalise the results. You also have to do it three seperate times.

 

[tubby]

The test has to be performed in a fasted state and 80% is optimal and given I had not had anything to eat in 12 hours it doesn't seem too far fetched. The place I had mine done also does the testing for professional teams for AFL (Australian sport kinda like the NFL I guess) so I trust their calibration.

The technician monitors your respiratory effort to ensure you have normal tidal volume and respiratory rate to normalise the results. You also have to do it three seperate times.

The result (as you note) is saying that after a 12 hour fast you're primarily burning fat. Obviously 100% fat burning is a nonsense idea. At 12 hours faster, you've still got some glycogen in your liver and there's probably still going to be some deamination happening.

 

[Rickcaps]

I agree we have a lot of glycogen. Like for example, depending on the body composition it takes up to 3 days to get fat adapted (switch to a keto diet).

On a side note I heard of a dosing protocol which said 2mg of tesa, 200mcg of cjc without dad and 200mcg of ipa before bed followed by 200mcg of ipa in the morning. This was deemed as the perfect fat loss protocol.

I don't know if anyone tried it and what the results were like.

The result (as you note) is saying that after a 12 hour fast you're primarily burning fat. Obviously 100% fat burning is a nonsense idea. At 12 hours faster, you've still got some glycogen in your liver and there's probably still going to be some deamination happening.

 

[tubby]

I agree we have a lot of glycogen. Like for example, depending on the body composition it takes up to 3 days to get fat adapted (switch to a keto diet).

On a side note I heard of a dosing protocol which said 2mg of tesa, 200mcg of cjc without dad and 200mcg of ipa before bed followed by 200mcg of ipa in the morning. This was deemed as the perfect fat loss protocol.

I don't know if anyone tried it and what the results were like.

I mean I'd expect most people to lose fat on such an approach, with the unknown being if juicing GH production in such a manner might lead to other consequences longer-term. Presumably (similar to GLPs), if someone stopped that dosing after a while, they would trend towards regaining the previous weight they lost, assuming their lifestyle stayed constant.

I suspect the reason nobody has run a trial on that is because there wasn't a clever indirect way of getting there. You'll recall with GLPs, they were initially approved under the guise of "diabetes treatment" (which they're highly effective at) and industry pretended that weight loss was a "surprising" side effect. When the diabetics weren't dropping dead or facing different sorts of disaster after years on GLPs, it seemed sensible to run trials on a healthier population. With GH secretagogues, even if they proved safe enough for weight loss purposes in a general population, it would be much harder for pharma to monetize as it would have to compete with GH in general.

 

[RadicalCrimson]

I found this online, I don't know if this has any validity.
Note that this is CJC with DAC.

 

[RadicalCrimson]

On a side note I heard of a dosing protocol which said 2mg of tesa, 200mcg of cjc without dad and 200mcg of ipa before bed followed by 200mcg of ipa in the morning. This was deemed as the perfect fat loss protocol.

My plan is to run Tesa+Ipa for a month or so, and then check my IGF-1 Z-score.
If it's less than 2, I'll consider adding CJC this way.
I started at 0.7.

 

[tubby]

I do find myself wondering if there's a strong case to be made for stacking a GHRH with ipamorelin. I know it's commonly done and seems to be standard practice, but is it delivering a superior result (VS a higher dosage of the same GHRH alone)? If one were paying retail for sermorelin or tesamorelin, it would be a no-brainer from a cost standpoint, but when everything is relatively cheap does that change the analysis?

Guessing based off very limited information I would think it smooths things out over a longer period of time (vs a larger sudden dosing), but then you're also fiddling with one more pathway with its own potential risk and side effect profile to get that result.

 

[Rickcaps]

My plan is to run Tesa+Ipa for a month or so, and then check my IGF-1 Z-score.
If it's less than 2, I'll consider adding CJC this way.
I started at 0.7.

What's the process of checking the score? Do we have any devices or a proper blood test is needed?

 

[pilsnermagnus]

What's the process of checking the score? Do we have any devices or a proper blood test is needed?

You get an IGF1 test. Some labs will include the precalculated z-score Lab Corp did not for me. I found the calculation and a table it would be based on, z-score is just s statistical calculation based on your measurements against a population.

I can’t post a link yet or I would share a calculator. If you search “igf1 sds app” you should find the web app calculator on biodaas gaslini.

 

[RadicalCrimson]

You get an IGF1 test. Some labs will include the precalculated z-score Lab Corp did not for me. I found the calculation and a table it would be based on, z-score is just s statistical calculation based on your measurements against a population.

I can’t post a link yet or I would share a calculator. If you search “igf1 sds app” you should find the web app calculator on biodaas gaslini.

That site reports 1.7 for me (both methods), but my lab report clearly states +0.7.
Z SCORE (MALE) 0.7 -2.0 - +2.0 SD