Tracy gone MIA?

[Windingroads06]

If customs situation doesn't change for the better (and there is no reason for it), I think we are witnessing the end of the era of cheap peptides.
There will still be supply to meet the demand, but new risks will be priced in either directly or indirectly.
* GB and US domestic prices will go up.
* Vendors will stop offering reships, which is already common for destinations like Canada and Australia.
* We will likely see more scams in general and exit scams specifically since without reliable forwarder lines it's difficult for vendors to build reputation and less incentive to do so instead of running periodic scams and coming back under new names with low prices to attract new buyers

Exactly this.

I am pretty sure my last order was confiscated. And, my supplier has gone dark.

Multiple people here have said they think there are just a few producers and multiple finishers and resellers. After all my digging, I believe I concur with that assessment. The forwarding lines is going to be the kicker.

I have about six months before I have to make a decision about where to find a new tracy.

 

[keangkong]

Check the seizure reports. Plenty of peptides being seized, for example BPC157. Recent Ohio seizure is another example. But this time around it sounds like entire forwarder lines got busted with huge losses of shipped orders and bad prospects of reships making it to destination.

If customs situation doesn't change for the better (and there is no reason for it), I think we are witnessing the end of the era of cheap peptides.
There will still be supply to meet the demand, but new risks will be priced in either directly or indirectly.
* GB and US domestic prices will go up.
* Vendors will stop offering reships, which is already common for destinations like Canada and Australia.
* We will likely see more scams in general and exit scams specifically since without reliable forwarder lines it's difficult for vendors to build reputation and less incentive to do so instead of running periodic scams and coming back under new names with low prices to attract new buyers.

It’s easy to envision the end of cheap peptides while our vendors are gone. However we were seeing in January the cheapest prices we had yet seen.

 

[chmuse]

It’s easy to envision the end of cheap peptides while our vendors are gone. However we were seeing in January the cheapest prices we had yet seen.

Just let us PANIC, ok? Not every day will be pink.

 

[catdog]

i'm on multiple boards.. no one has ever reported a GLP-1 seizure.
i'm talking about USA customs.. not Canada...

also.. a huge bust just announced out of the long beach port.
they specifically listed drugs, etc, seized...
so it looks like the ride is over... this new set of sheriffs arent playing.,

The issue isn’t that they are peptides or GLPs, there are many companies using stealth packaging naming certain products false things. Customs seizes these items

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

The issue isn’t that they are peptides or GLPs, there are many companies using stealth packaging naming certain products false things. Customs seizes these items

Ask yourself: why don’t they they label it as tirz if that would mean smooth sailing in customs?

A: it wouldn’t

 

[catdog]

Ask yourself: why don’t they they label it as tirz if that would mean smooth sailing in customs?

A: it wouldn’t

Smoother than what it has been now lol

 

[normal]

Nexa has a glow kit up I'm considering. My hesitation there is if I understand correctly, it's very hard to test mixes and the appeal of Nexa to me is the extensive testing.

I have enough sema for years and two tirz30 kits for if sema stops working. Was going to wait on reta prices to go back down.... I'm going to stick to that plan unless amo comes back, I think. I'm 90% sure they're a manufacturer so I feel a little safer buying from them right now. Otherwise I'll join PGB since they're so highly regarded. The next few days is enough time for me to deal with figuring out crypto anyway. If I yank out my old hard drives I might be able to get back into my old wallet which would make the kits free..... Right? Girl Math

Have you ordered from amo before?

 

[keangkong]

Ask yourself: why don’t they they label it as tirz if that would mean smooth sailing in customs?

A: it wouldn’t

I suspect you're right. Yet domestic vendors are able to sell GLP-1 drugs as "research peptides" and so long as they don't also make health claims, haven't gotten into trouble for doing so.

 

[keangkong]

Just let us PANIC, ok? Not every day will be pink.

 

[chmuse]

Have you ordered from amo before?

No, or I'd have just sent them a message on Whatsapp. As a new customer I'm under the impression they aren't taking orders.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I suspect you're right. Yet domestic vendors are able to sell GLP-1 drugs as "research peptides" and so long as they don't also make health claims, haven't gotten into trouble for doing so.

I believe this is just because pharma is working through their various legal pathways to shut these places down starting with the lowest hanging fruit. A trademark claim against vendors using the name Tirzepatide is much cheaper and more straightforward than patent violation claims against places selling it but calling it something else, which is further complicated by the whole compounding during a shortage issue. They’ve gotten the big compounding places to stop using it before going after the wackamole that will be the little research chem outfits. They own the rights to the molecule, so no doubt they’ll get there.

 

[GimmeABreak]

I believe this is just because pharma is working through their various legal pathways to shut these places down starting with the lowest hanging fruit. A trademark claim against vendors using the name Tirzepatide is much cheaper and more straightforward than patent violation claims against places selling it but calling it something else, which is further complicated by the whole compounding during a shortage issue. They’ve gotten the big compounding places to stop using it before going after the wackamole that will be the little research chem outfits. They own the rights to the molecule, so no doubt they’ll get there.

I think LLY & NN's easiest target is the thousands of medspas selling their product. Next would be pressuring the CN government to shut down the gray producers. Packages will always be able to get through customs, they just don't have the manpower to check every package. Seizure rates will likely go up, but peps will continue to flow if there is a company in CN producing them.

People often make the claim that peps are similar to the CN governments efforts (and failure) to shut down the flow of Fent and precursors into the US and Mexico. Without getting too political, there is zero incentive for CN to shut down the flow of a drug (fent) that is toxic to the US, causes unrest and is a genuine drag on our society, From the economic cost of policing, medical system, jails the breakdown of families etc. The US and China are frenemies bordering on enemies and the disruption caused by fent is widespread and reaches every corner of our society.

GLP's on the other hand are good for our society, they make people healthier and reduce the burden on our medical system from the dozens of diseases that are exacerbated by obesity. The CN government has incentive to curtail the gray industry before LLY and NN even start pushing for tighter controls.

 

[Unthinmint]

QSC was seized? Their stuff is generally cloaked so well it's been said that it gets the hand wave...

Yeah, I was nervous when it had been in NY customs for 2.5 weeks (arrived 12/20) with no update. I reached out to QSC a few days before they went dark and they said to give it more time, and they’d reship if it hadn’t been delivered after extended time (from forums it sounds like a month is the timeframe they reship after). Then a few days ago tracking updated to say as of 1/16 the package is in customs detention…which I assume means bye bye package.

Overall pretty bummed about it. I made purchase during the Black Friday promo, but my order was delayed because they sold out of the domestic warehouse supply before filling my order (after I paid) and offered to send from international warehouse. So I wasn’t even intending on making the full international shipping jump for my first international vendor order…but went with it and got burned anyway. So I need Tracy to rise from the ashes lol

 

[hexagonal]

I think LLY & NN's easiest target is the thousands of medspas selling their product. Next would be pressuring the CN government to shut down the gray producers. Packages will always be able to get through customs, they just don't have the manpower to check every package. Seizure rates will likely go up, but peps will continue to flow if there is a company in CN producing them.

People often make the claim that peps are similar to the CN governments efforts (and failure) to shut down the flow of Fent and precursors into the US and Mexico. Without getting too political, there is zero incentive for CN to shut down the flow of a drug (fent) that is toxic to the US, causes unrest and is a genuine drag on our society, From the economic cost of policing, medical system, jails the breakdown of families etc. The US and China are frenemies bordering on enemies and the disruption caused by fent is widespread and reaches every corner of our society.

GLP's on the other hand are good for our society, they make people healthier and reduce the burden on our medical system from the dozens of diseases that are exacerbated by obesity. The CN government has incentive to curtail the gray industry before LLY and NN even start pushing for tighter controls.

By this logic China wouldn't manufacture so many other things that are important to the US functioning so cheaply for us.

China also needs a functioning US economy if they ever want to get paid back for all the money they've lent to America and American companies over the years.

 

[catdog]

I suspect you're right. Yet domestic vendors are able to sell GLP-1 drugs as "research peptides" and so long as they don't also make health claims, haven't gotten into trouble for doing so.

EL and others who are trying to ban as much as they can will continue to do so... is it going to stop the peps from reaching customers in the US? HELL NO. lmao they can sue and try to ban all they want, still won't stop the grey market. I am not the least bit worried.

 

[keangkong]

I believe this is just because pharma is working through their various legal pathways to shut these places down starting with the lowest hanging fruit. A trademark claim against vendors using the name Tirzepatide is much cheaper and more straightforward than patent violation claims against places selling it but calling it something else, which is further complicated by the whole compounding during a shortage issue. They’ve gotten the big compounding places to stop using it before going after the wackamole that will be the little research chem outfits. They own the rights to the molecule, so no doubt they’ll get there.

You may be right. (Despite being a lawyer, I don't know.)

 

[brentm]

Yeah, I was nervous when it had been in NY customs for 2.5 weeks (arrived 12/20) with no update. Then a few days ago tracking updated to say as of 1/16 the package is in customs detention…which I assume means bye bye package.

So I wasn’t even intending on making the full international shipping jump for my first international vendor order…but went with it and got burned anyway. So I need Tracy to rise from the ashes lol

That's a bummer... sorry to hear... I'd heard that their packaging will sometimes be opened but then sealed back up and sent onto its destination. I'd assumed their disguised boxes were somewhat effective.

But then I learned about this ThermoFisher Gemini device that can detect all kinds of crazy shit. I thought they were just flicking little vials of liquid and if it turns purple it's fent.

I just had a package from AllDayChemist get "held by customs" then released. I'm curious if it was inspected.... should be here in a few days.

Hope you aren't out too much dough. Chin up... it's still cheaper than the alternatives. And you can do a domestic order at PGB if you're in a pinch.

 

[keangkong]

EL and others who are trying to ban as much as they can will continue to do so... is it going to stop the peps from reaching customers in the US? HELL NO. lmao they can sue and try to ban all they want, still won't stop the grey market. I am not the least bit worried.

Having seen the unsuccessful efforts to shut down the supply of cocaine, methamphetamine, and fentanyl, I'm confident that the US government will be unable to shut down the supply GLP-1 drugs. With the other drugs, the government tried much harder to do so than it is willing to do for GLP-1 drugs.

 

[catdog]

Having seen the unsuccessful efforts to shut down the supply of cocaine, methamphetamine, and fentanyl, I'm confident that the US government will be unable to shut down the supply GLP-1 drugs. With the other drugs, the government tried much harder to do so than it is willing to do for GLP-1 drugs.

I completely agree, Kong. I share the same rationale. Here's to more peptides for reasonable costs.

I should add, it is never a bad idea to have a healthy stock for when the market ebbs and flows with how restricted things get at times.

 

[keangkong]

That's a bummer... sorry to hear... I'd heard that their packaging will sometimes be opened but then sealed back up and sent onto its destination. I'd assumed their disguised boxes were somewhat effective.

But then I learned about this ThermoFisher Gemini device that can detect all kinds of crazy shit. I thought they were just flicking little vials of liquid and if it turns purple it's fent.

I just had a package from AllDayChemist get "held by customs" then released. I'm curious if it was inspected.... should be here in a few days.

Hope you aren't out too much dough. Chin up... it's still cheaper than the alternatives. And you can do a domestic order at PGB if you're in a pinch.

I had a package of prescription pills obtained without a prescription from China that said it was being held by customs. I don't recall the exact term the tracking service used. Customs held it about 2-3 weeks before releasing it. I received the package with the green tape that I believe indicated that customs opened the package. The contents were fine.