bro you are the one perpetuating the stereotype with these unhinged responses
Tracy gone MIA?
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I don't think I'm better than AAS users, but AAS are psychoactive substances, some potently so.
I'm quite likely to be an AAS user if I can get all of my bloodwork, blood pressure, etc. under control as I get down to my goal weight and bf%, but I recognize that I will likely have to make specific effort to control the impact it has on my mood.
People like being self-important and part of an "in crowd" that knows things, and showing off that they know things.
Doubtlessly, I'm no exception to this either.
How are my responses unhinged? Do you even know what that word means? I called you out for pushing a false narrative, how is that unhinged? If you think that is unhinged then lol
Steroids are not psychoactive. What is commonly referred to as roid rage is high estradiol
FreeSpectator8
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If that is true, one of the main effects of high estradiol in men is Mood swings, anxiety, and depression: High estradiol levels can cause mood swings, anxiety, and depression
Ergo, AAS abuse can cause roid rage.
A side effect of a side effect of a drug is still the fault of the drug.
FreeSpectator8
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and just to be clear I ALSO am looking at AAS or at least HGH manipulation.
That doesn’t make it a psychoactive substance, a psychoactive substance specifically targets neurotransmitters. Also we’re not talking about aas abuse, I'm not sure where that came from. The assumption is responsible usage as it is here for peptides.
FreeSpectator8
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Right, I wasnt trying to say its psychoactive, just that your position that "roid rage" is a false narrative, is in fact, false.
And no offense, but using AAS for body building IS abuse. That doesnt make it bad per se, but really the only non abusive use of a pharmaceutical is one that is therapeutic in nature and prescribed by a medical professional.
Artificially increasing hormones to increase muscle gain is an abusive use of AAS (or any medicine)
However using AAS or a pharmaceutical to get yourself up to a natural level is not abusive.
That applies for peptide use and GLP-1's too, so im not shaking a stick at anybody, but if you were not atleast legitimately prescribed (or could otherwise reach your goals without) the medication, its abuse.
That being said I think we all have the right and freedom to choose how we want to live and what we want to use to modify our bodies, im all for different types of biological engineering.
Superfluous
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Some mad arguments over silly things happen on this forum.
Thanks for the essay but your views on what is abuse or not are irrelevant. Abuse is irresponsible usage, most bodybuilders are healthier than 90% of the US population. Remember you live in a society that doesn’t call people eating themselves to death abuse but responsible usage of medication is abuse. Go home.
FreeSpectator8
New_Member
it sounds like you are denouncing my views and espousing your own.
Additionally you are getting irate despite respectful conversation on my end.
I could take a low blow and blame that on your possible drug usage, but honestly its more likely you are just a petulant asshole by nature.
Additionally what is considered drug abuse is not simply an "opinion" its a factual term.
"Drug abuse is the intentional and harmful use of a substance (such as a drug or medication) in a manner that deviates from prescribed guidelines or societal norms, often leading to negative physical, psychological, or social consequences. It typically involves the following:
- Using drugs in ways other than prescribed (e.g., taking higher doses or using someone else’s prescription).
- Using drugs for recreational purposes despite the risks of harm."
You will note the first two points make clear that using a drug without a prescription is drug abuse, and your claim that bodybuilders are "healthier" than 90% of the US population is subjective at best, but overall false.
There are several health metrics and indicators by which to measure health, being lean and active are only a few, damage sustained to your cell's and DNA is another, one that cannot be observed by the human eye or with any consumer available technology.
"A 2019 retrospective cohort study compared all-cause mortality rates in 545 male laboratory-confirmed anabolic steroid users (who were identified as part of these anti-doping programs) with 5450 healthy controls consisting of randomly selected age-matched individuals from the Danish population and found a threefold higher mortality rate in the anabolic steroid users [172]"
And this is just among standard AAS users, and not body builders specifically, who are known to use higher and riskier levels of steroids, as well as sustain significantly more strain and damage on their bodies such as when they cut hydration putting strain on their organs, consume large amounts of calories (another health marker, shown that the lower caloric expenditure a living being has the longer it lives on average, especially so for mammals).
Whats meso? I also want to read pm me.
raw_oyster_eater
Senior Member
what's the definition of better. i dunno.
if you talking about intelligence quotient yea, 120 is better than 80.
FreeSpectator8
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MESO-RX i believe ive seen it mentioned before. A forum for body building i believe.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to directly link. You can Google "meso forum QSC" to see the discussion we are talking about.
Whomever told you that AAS do not act on neurotransmitters is incorrect:
There's also a wide variety of other potential causes - AAS use impacts your brain in a lot of ways.
Brain connectivity aberrations in anabolic-androgenic steroid users - PMC
Sustained anabolic-androgenic steroid (AAS) use has adverse behavioral consequences, including aggression, violence and impulsivity. Candidate mechanisms include disruptions of brain networks with high concentrations of androgen receptors and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Structural brain characteristics of anabolic–androgenic steroid dependence in men - PMC
To identify differences in brain morphology between dependent and non‐dependent male anabolic–androgenic steroid (AAS) users. This study used cross‐sectional data from a longitudinal study on male weightlifters. Oslo University Hospital, Norway. ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Chronic Exposure to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids Alters Neuronal Function in the Mammalian Forebrain via Androgen Receptor- and Estrogen Receptor-Mediated Mechanisms - PMC
Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) can promote detrimental effects on social behaviors for which GABA type A (GABAA) receptor-mediated circuits in the forebrain play a critical role. While all AAS bind to androgen receptors (AR), they may also be ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
ANABOLIC ANDROGENIC STEROID ABUSE: MULTIPLE MECHANISMS OF REGULATION OF GABAERGIC SYNAPSES IN NEUROENDOCRINE CONTROL REGIONS OF THE RODENT FOREBRAIN - PMC
Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are synthetic derivatives of testosterone originally developed for clinical purposes, but now predominantly taken at suprapharmacological levels as drugs of abuse. To date, nearly 100 different AAS compounds that ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
ANABOLIC-ANDROGENIC STEROIDS (AAS) INCREASE SENSITIVITY TO UNCERTAINTY BY INHIBITION OF DOPAMINE D1 AND D2 RECEPTORS - PMC
Anabolic-androgenic steroid abuse is implicated in maladaptive behaviors such as impaired cognition in humans. In a rat model, our lab has shown that testosterone decreases preference for a large/uncertain reward in probability discounting. Other ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Effects of Chronic Exposure to an Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Cocktail on α5-Receptor Mediated GABAergic Transmission and Neural Signaling in the Forebrain of Female Mice - PMC
Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are synthetic derivatives of testosterone that are illicitly self-administered for enhancement of performance and body image, but which also have significant effects on the brain and on behavior. While the ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Testosterone in the brain: neuroimaging findings and the potential role for neuropsychopharmacology - PubMed
Testosterone plays a substantial role in a number of physiological processes in the brain. It is able to modulate the expression of certain genes by binding to androgen receptors. Acting via neurotransmitter receptors, testosterone shows the potential to mediate a non-genomic so-called...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
When talking about "abuse" in a medical context this basically means outside of prescription/medical supervision and beyond the therapeutic doses the medications were developed for.
FreeSpectator8
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Glad im not crazy, It was such a shock to hear that the factual terminology I knew was actually all just my personal beliefs!
